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    If Trump runs in 2024, I'll vote for him.

    If only to do nothing more than poke $#@!s like this in the eye.

    Take your own $#@!ing advice.



    We’re Not Prepared for What MAGA Brownshirts Will Do in 2024

    https://www.yahoo.com/video/not-prep...7b97ho3XH-_vzD

    Wajahat Ali

    Fri, July 15, 2022, 4:57 AM·7 min read

    The latest Jan. 6 Committee hearing revealed the incestuous relationship between violent militias, extremists, and Trump’s inner circle—whose decision to march to the U.S. Capitol was deliberate, premeditated, and planned.

    The committee showed a draft tweet in which Trump wrote, “I will be making a Big Speech at 10AM on January 6th at the Ellipse…please arrive early, massive crowds expected. March to the Capitol after. Stop the Steal!”

    Even though the tweet wasn’t sent, Katrina Pierson, Trump’s former spokeswoman, emailed rally organizers that Trump was going to “call on everyone to march to the Capitol.” Those marchers included Ali Alexander, one of the organizers of the Stop the Steal really, who sent a text to a conservative journalist that Trump was going to “order” them to march to the Capitol. Trump also wanted Alexander and Alex Jones (who has gotten rich propagating fake conspiracy theories) to speak at the rally because Trump “likes the crazies,” according to a text exchange between Pierson and Trump activist Kyle Kremer. Pierson added, “he loved people who viciously defended him in public”.

    Your Grandkids Will Care About the Jan. 6 Hearings, Even if You Don’t

    That included Stephen Ayres, a witness at the hearing and die-hard MAGA supporter, who said, “We basically were just following what [Trump] said.” As a result of doing his own research on the internet, Ayres was radicalized by right-wing lies, conspiracy theories, and disinformation. He assumed his dear leader wanted him to march to the Capitol, so he did, and as a result, he eventually pleaded guilty to disorderly and disruptive conduct, lost his job, and was forced to sell his home.

    Ayres was joined by thousands of MAGA patriots who were going to “take back” the country that was stolen from them by the “deep state.”

    There is a historical parallel between the red MAGA hat-wearing extremists who commit wanton acts of political violence in the service of an authoritarian thug, and the brownshirt militias of Nazi Germany. (Before you send an angry email falsely accusing me of saying “all Trump voters are Nazis,” read the previous sentence again.) They’re wearing different costumes and shouting different slogans, but like the stormtroopers of the past, groups like the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, and dozens more are weaponized militias willing to use violence to cement authoritarian rule.

    The question ahead of us is whether the majority acknowledges this active threat to our fragile democracy, or will we continue being “willfully blind” to appease bad-faith Republicans who are actively engaged in an ongoing coup?

    The MAGA brownshirts took Trump seriously, and literally

    On Dec. 19, 2020, Trump tweeted about a “big protest in D.C.,” adding, “Be there, will be wild!” Extremists online saw Trump’s tweet as a green light to start plotting and orchestrating their violent coup attempt.

    The committee revealed messages in which Trump supporters fantasized about killing cops and Democrats, and referred to Jan. 6 as “the day of the rope” and “D-Day.” Another wrote, “Trump just told us to come armed. $#@!ing A. This is happening!” They can’t be blamed for assuming Trump wanted them to unleash hell. After all, Trump did tell the Proud Boys, an armed, right-wing group, to “stand back and stand by” when he was asked multiple times to denounce white supremacy during the 2020 presidential debates.

    The Proud Boys took Trump literally and seriously.

    They allegedly wrote a plan, entitled “1776 Returns,” which outlined their goal to forcibly take control of D.C.-area buildings to ensure their demands were met, which included Congress certifying that Donald Trump had been re-elected.

    The night before the insurrection, the leader of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, met with Stewart Rhodes, leader of the Oath Keepers (which was described by its former spokesperson Jason Van Tatenhove as a “violent militia” that came to D.C. seeking an “armed revolution.”) Specifically, in two open letters published in December 2020, Rhodes asked Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act. He wrote “millions of American military and law enforcement veterans, and many millions more loyal patriotic American gun owners stand ready to answer your call to arms, and obey your orders to get this done.” Those willing to obey include Republican elected officials.

    One could dismiss Tarrio and Rhodes as right-wing cranks; however, they represent the growing brownshirt component of the radicalized Republican ecosystem. For example, at least 28 elected officials currently have ties to the Oath Keepers, which includes Arizona Republican Mark Finchem, who is running for secretary of state and actively promotes the Big Lie. The Oath Keepers are also connected to Roger Stone and Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser and a popular fixture in the MAGA-verse and QAnon conspiracy circles.

    Flynn sits on the board of Defending the Republic, the group created by Sidney Powell, which made millions trying to overturn the 2020 election and promote conspiracy theories. Powell was so committed to the Big Lie that she allegedly told Trump to have the federal government seize state voting machines, and he almost appointed her as special counsel to investigate election fraud. There are also suspicions that she’s the Oath Keepers’ sugar mama. A judge has ordered Rhodes to reveal if Powell’s group is improperly paying for his legal fees.

    Although Rhodes and Tarrio (along with other leaders of the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys) have been charged with seditious conspiracy, they are not the only MAGA supporters willing to use violence to further their ends. A recent PRRI poll revealed that a third of Republicans believe “true American patriots may have to resort to violence” in order to “save the country.”

    The far right has manufactured its villains, whom they believe are best vanquished with guns—which now have more rights than women thanks to an increasingly radicalized right-wing Supreme Court.

    GOP heroes now include Kyle Rittenhouse, a young man who shot and killed two people at a Black Lives Matter protest, and Mark McCloskey, who, along with his wife, illegally brandished firearms against peaceful BLM protesters. The couple was rewarded with a primetime slot at the 2020 Republican National Convention to warn white families about Black and brown people invading the suburbs. The couple was also pardoned by the Republican governor of Missouri.

    To draw an obvious parallel between the past and the rising political power of the modern-day brownshirts, GOP Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Paul Gosar both spoke at a white nationalist conference hosted by the racist and antisemitic Nick Fuentes, who was also present at the Jan. 6 insurrection with his Groypers group. According to the Southern Law Poverty Center, Fuentes allegedly told insurrectionists to “break down the barriers and disregard the police.” Reps. Greene and Gosar have not been censured by GOP leadership and remain members in good standing with their caucus.

    In his rise to power, Trump’s vulgarity, cruelty, and invitation to use violence was what separated him from the pack of Republican presidential wannabes. It was his call to authoritarianism—rather than politics as usual—that Republican voters fell in love with. They loved when he encouraged his supporters to beat up protesters, demonized the press as the “enemy of the people,” and called for a plainly racist “Muslim ban.”

    The Entire GOP Is Complicit in the Coup Attempt

    Even with Trump out of office, the GOP has shown it only cares about national security if it involves Muslims, Black people, and immigrants. Violent insurrections, mass shootings, and the rise of white power movements (the No. 1 domestic threat in America), barely rate on their list of concerns.

    It’s up to the Justice Department and law enforcement to aggressively investigate violent extremist movements—and their political allies—and hold them accountable before the 2024 election. Mainstream institutions, especially the media, must keep educating themselves about this threat and warning the public—much like they obsessed over Muslims during the endless War on Terror.

    This time, the threat is domestic, homegrown, and increasingly normalized by the GOP and Trump.

    Don’t take my word for it. Just listen to Tatenhove, the former Oath Keeper, who warned the nation: “If a president who is trying to instill, and encourage, to whip up a civil war among his followers using lies and deceit and snake oil, regardless of the human impact, what else is he going to do if he gets elected again?”

    We all saw the sneak preview on Jan. 6. It’s up to our institutions, especially the Justice Department, to ensure we don’t see the bloody feature in 2024.
    "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire



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  3. #2
    Trump can't win (due to election fraud) , but if he did, it would be epic. Liberal meltdown would go into overdrive
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    I don’t like him at all, but Trump winning in 2024 would be the final straw that broke the camel’s back and I have mixed feelings on that. I believe that this is a likely outcome given Globohomo’s unrelenting destruction of the west.

    I am tired of tiptoeing into tyranny. What’s going to happen just needs to go ahead and happen.

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    Didn't the last two times and never would. Trump has zero chance of winning again. Biden has Jimmy Carter level approval ratings and still would beat Trump. The election is the GOP's to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slave Mentality View Post
    I don’t like him at all, but Trump winning in 2024 would be the final straw that broke the camel’s back and I have mixed feelings on that. I believe that this is a likely outcome given Globohomo’s unrelenting destruction of the west.

    I am tired of tiptoeing into tyranny. What’s going to happen just needs to go ahead and happen.
    $#@!ing right.

    +rep.
    "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

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    I'm done voting. 3, 3rd party or protest votes in 2008, 2012 and 2016, and then voting for Trump in 20. I no longer believe the system can be fixed politically. Least of all by one man in DC.
    Last edited by Todd; 07-19-2022 at 09:07 AM.
    The wisdom of Swordy:

    On bringing the troops home
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever..... just like Trump said.

    On fighting corruption:
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
    Fascism Defined

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Didn't the last two times and never would. Trump has zero chance of winning again. Biden has Jimmy Carter level approval ratings and still would beat Trump. The election is the GOP's to lose.
    Just about every poll I've seen has Trump beating Biden by around 6 points, if the election were held today.

    https://nypost.com/2022/03/29/trump-...election-poll/

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...oll/ar-AANynBd

    https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-b...many-democrats

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-7383.html
    "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    I'm done voting. 3, 3rd party or protest votes in 2008, 2012 and 2016, and then voting for Trump in 20. I no longer believe the system can be fixed politically. Least of all by one man in DC.
    Quite right...the end to our oppression will not be found in a ballot box.
    "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire



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    This guy is a real piece of work. He has found his place in Amerika, and that is playing victim and being a good Marxist propagandist. A paid shill and race hustler for the elitist left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Just about every poll I've seen has Trump beating Biden by around 6 points, if the election were held today.
    Which is totally irrelevant because there is zero chance the Democrats run with Biden again.

    They are waiting for Trump to look like he has the GOP nomination locked up, then they will enter the field with a small 1-3 group of approved contenders. Also, they are open to keeping Harris on the ticket for VP again.
    Last edited by Snowball; 07-19-2022 at 10:30 AM.
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    The latest Jan. 6 Committee hearing revealed the incestuous relationship between violent militias, extremists, and Trump’s inner circle—whose decision to march to the U.S. Capitol was deliberate, premeditated, and planned.
    Thia stuff is making me sick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slave Mentality View Post
    I don’t like him at all, but Trump winning in 2024 would be the final straw that broke the camel’s back and I have mixed feelings on that. I believe that this is a likely outcome given Globohomo’s unrelenting destruction of the west.

    I am tired of tiptoeing into tyranny. What’s going to happen just needs to go ahead and happen.
    Which may be the whole point of this kabuki theatre we've been in since at least 911. TPTB have been playing everyone so we'll all fight against the "bad guy" when both sides are all the same at the top.
    There is no spoon.

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    Whoever I vote for doesn't have to be perfect, they just need to move us towards liberty, even just baby steps.

    That's why I can't vote for Trump, he moved us away from liberty and towards socialism, just a little bit slower than Obama and Biden. But still pretty damned fast based on the growth of government during his term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Whoever I vote for doesn't have to be perfect, they just need to move us towards liberty, even just baby steps.

    That's why I can't vote for Trump, he moved us away from liberty and towards socialism, just a little bit slower than Obama and Biden. But still pretty damned fast based on the growth of government during his term.
    He was pretty good at neutering the EPA and got us out of the W.H.O., which Biden almost immediately undid as soon as he took office. Gains in some areas, losses in others. Perhaps mildly better than losses in all areas. Really don't see the republicans offering up anything that isn't going to be full blown neocon though.

    Would like to see Rand Paul run again in the primary 2024 but damned if I'm gonna watch another liberty candidate drop-out before the finish line. We either need to be in it to win it or STFU IMO.

    Pretty much everyone has had a good lesson in monetary inflation over the past few years so it might be hip to talk about the Fed again.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 07-19-2022 at 12:02 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowball View Post
    Which is totally irrelevant because there is zero chance the Democrats run with Biden again.

    They are waiting for Trump to look like he has the GOP nomination locked up, then they will enter the field with a small 1-3 group of approved contenders. Also, they are open to keeping Harris on the ticket for VP again.
    TPTB are perfectly happy with an easily controllable potato as president though. It's really their opinion that matters since they'll be the ones programming the voting machines.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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    As long as the right believes, whether fact or fiction, that the left hates something, the right will reactively support it. Vice versa for the left. The controllers have this down to a science now.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    As long as the right believes, whether fact or fiction, that the left hates something, the right will reactively support it. Vice versa for the left. The controllers have this down to a science now.
    The "controllers". Noone's controlling this $#@!. There's a ton of people who try to, and there's a ton of people who think they're in control, but they ain't. Ain't nobody in control of this cluster$#@!. Not Bill Gates not George Soros not Rupert Murdoch not the Pharma CEOs not even the MIC, there ain't nobody who in control of this $#@!.

    To even think for a second, that this cluster$#@! of a clown world, is capable of being "controlled" is just delusional
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    The "controllers". Noone's controlling this $#@!. There's a ton of people who try to, and there's a ton of people who think they're in control, but they ain't. Ain't nobody in control of this cluster$#@!. Not Bill Gates not George Soros not Rupert Murdoch not the Pharma CEOs not even the MIC, there ain't nobody who in control of this $#@!.

    To even think for a second, that this cluster$#@! of a clown world, is capable of being "controlled" is just delusional
    My apologies, you're right, there are no think tanks like Tavistock, no social engineering companies like Cambridge Analytica, and no NSA or CIA alphabet agencies doing anything but watching pornhub. There are not a small handful of social media companies and legacy media controlling everyone's beliefs and actions externally. And they are most certainly not interlinked by ideology and agenda.

    Do pardon my ignorance.
    Last edited by devil21; 07-19-2022 at 12:40 PM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    My apologies, you're right, there are no think tanks like Tavistock, no social engineering companies like Cambridge Analytica, and no NSA or CIA alphabet agencies doing anything but watching pornhub. There are not a small handful of social media companies and legacy media controlling everyone's beliefs and actions externally.

    Do pardon my ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    The "controllers".

    Noone's controlling this $#@!.

    There's a ton of people who try to, and there's a ton of people who think they're in control, but they ain't.

    Ain't nobody in control of this cluster$#@!.

    Not Bill Gates not George Soros not Rupert Murdoch not the Pharma CEOs not even the MIC, there ain't nobody who in control of this $#@!.

    To even think for a second, that this cluster$#@! of a clown world, is capable of being "controlled" is just delusional


    And there's the goddamn truth right there.

    I'm so $#@!ing sick and tired of "our" side being so wrapped up in goddamn conspiracies and "controllers" and on and on and on, that all we do is Double Dutch Rudder each other in pointless circle jerks about who is more "red pilled" than the next guy.

    For flying $#@!'s sake take action.

    Ain't nobody got control of this $#@!, but Sonny Jesus, and have my doubts about that guy as well.

    Freedom is seized by the bold.
    "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

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    Wait, so you two don't think this stuff is war gamed and scripted well in advance by social engineering think tanks and intel agencies then filtered down to the various media apparatus for dissemination to the gullible masses? Weird. I remember very well watching how, for example, Trump's popularity was quite literally engineered on various forums around the net by obvious shill accounts pushing disinfo. Those same forums banned anyone posting dissent and deleted content that countered the narrative that was being sold. On "conspiracy" forums even....hmmm.

    The natural world is chaos, yes. The black mirror world (screens), however, is not. I'm not arguing that the programming always works out as intended but by and large it certainly does.
    Last edited by devil21; 07-19-2022 at 01:09 PM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    I would vote Trump just to melt the brains of liberals and neocons.

    The division Trump has caused in the GOP alone is worth it.
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  26. #23
    Trump increases Federal government spending and keeps us involved in never ending wars. Although he may be the best president in my lifetime he's still a POS.

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    There are not a small handful of social media companies and legacy media controlling everyone's beliefs and actions externally.
    Oh, stop being so modest! When you say "everyone", what you actually mean is "everyone except me", isn't it?



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    I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 or 2020 and I once again won't in 2024 since he'll easily win Indiana without my vote.
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    People say Trump can't win. I call BS. Last election you couldn't even openly say you supported Trump without being shamed, harassed, cancelled, ridiculed.... Trumps support will be much more pronounced and in the open this go round.

  31. #27
    I would welcome 4 years of the Democrats objecting to everything Trump does rather than Democrats in office doing whatever they want with zero backlash from Republican pussies.

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post


    And there's the goddamn truth right there.

    I'm so $#@!ing sick and tired of "our" side being so wrapped up in goddamn conspiracies and "controllers" and on and on and on, that all we do is Double Dutch Rudder each other in pointless circle jerks about who is more "red pilled" than the next guy.

    For flying $#@!'s sake take action.

    Ain't nobody got control of this $#@!, but Sonny Jesus, and have my doubts about that guy as well.

    Freedom is seized by the bold.
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  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    The "controllers". Noone's controlling this $#@!.
    No human.

    There's a ton of people who try to, and there's a ton of people who think they're in control, but they ain't.
    True and true.

    Ain't nobody in control of this cluster$#@!. Not Bill Gates not George Soros not Rupert Murdoch not the Pharma CEOs not even the MIC, there ain't nobody who in control of this $#@!.
    Not true. Gates, Soros etc. are just names. They are like the icons you click on your desktop to launch an application, nothing more. They control nothing. But the wicked one driving the mouse-cursor... yes, he is controlling this present evil world.

    To even think for a second, that this cluster$#@! of a clown world, is capable of being "controlled" is just delusional
    It's more controlled than you dare to imagine. I'll repeat for emphasis: It's more controlled than you dare to imagine. "Scripted" is an understatement. More like clockwork determinism. The entire world has been zero-day exploited. We're just on a countdown until the veil is drawn back... and it will be God himself who will do that unveiling...
    Psalm 35:7-10, Psalm 109

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    I would vote Trump just to melt the brains of liberals and neocons.

    The division Trump has caused in the GOP alone is worth it.
    Not to mention the bright spot light he shined on the corruption within the two parties.

    He has my vote.
    “The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner

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