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    More than 1 million voters switch to GOP in warning for Dems

    More than 1 million voters switch to GOP in warning for Dems
    https://apnews.com/article/2022-midt...66ec45402be8b9
    Steve Peoples & Aaron Kessler (27 June 2022)

    WASHINGTON (AP) — A political shift is beginning to take hold across the U.S. as tens of thousands of suburban swing voters who helped fuel the Democratic Party’s gains in recent years are becoming Republicans.

    More than 1 million voters across 43 states have switched to the Republican Party over the last year, according to voter registration data analyzed by The Associated Press. The previously unreported number reflects a phenomenon that is playing out in virtually every region of the country — Democratic and Republican states along with cities and small towns — in the period since President Joe Biden replaced former President Donald Trump.

    But nowhere is the shift more pronounced — and dangerous for Democrats — than in the suburbs, where well-educated swing voters who turned against Trump’s Republican Party in recent years appear to be swinging back. Over the last year, far more people are switching to the GOP across suburban counties from Denver to Atlanta and Pittsburgh and Cleveland. Republicans also gained ground in counties around medium-size cities such as Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; Raleigh, North Carolina; Augusta, Georgia; and Des Moines, Iowa.

    Ben Smith, who lives in suburban Larimer County, Colorado, north of Denver, said he reluctantly registered as a Republican earlier in the year after becoming increasingly concerned about the Democrats’ support in some localities for mandatory COVID-19 vaccines, the party’s inability to quell violent crime and its frequent focus on racial justice.

    “It’s more so a rejection of the left than embracing the right,” said Smith, a 37-year-old professional counselor whose transition away from the Democratic Party began five or six years ago when he registered as a libertarian.

    The AP examined nearly 1.7 million voters who had likely switched affiliations across 42 states for which there is data over the last 12 months, according to L2, a political data firm. L2 uses a combination of state voter records and statistical modeling to determine party affiliation, meaning that the switchers include both those who have formally changed their registration and those who L2 estimates have shifted toward the GOP.

    While party switching is not uncommon, the data shows a definite reversal from the period while Trump was in office, when Democrats enjoyed a slight edge in the number of party switchers nationwide.

    But over the last year, roughly two-thirds of the 1.7 million voters who changed their party affiliation shifted to the Republican Party. In all, more than 1 million people became Republicans compared to about 630,000 who became Democrats.

    The broad migration of more than 1 million voters, a small portion of the overall U.S. electorate, does not ensure widespread Republican success in the November midterm elections, which will determine control of Congress and dozens of governorships. Democrats are hoping the Supreme Court’s decision on Friday to overrule Roe v. Wade will energize supporters, particularly in the suburbs, ahead of the midterms.

    Still, the details about party switchers present a dire warning for Democrats who were already concerned about the macro effects shaping the political landscape this fall.

    Roughly four months before Election Day, Democrats have no clear strategy to address Biden’s weak popularity and voters’ overwhelming fear that the country is headed in the wrong direction with their party in charge. And while Republicans have offered few policy solutions of their own, the GOP has been working effectively to capitalize on the Democrats’ shortcomings.

    Republicans benefited last year as suburban parents grew increasingly frustrated by prolonged pandemic-related schools closures. And as inflation intensified more recently, the Republican National Committee has been hosting voter registration events at gas stations in suburban areas across swing states like Arizona, Michigan, Nevada and Pennsylvania to link the Biden administration to record-high gas prices. The GOP has also linked the Democratic president to an ongoing baby formula shortage.

    “Biden and Democrats are woefully out of touch with the American people, and that’s why voters are flocking to the Republican Party in droves,” RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel told the AP. She predicted that “American suburbs will trend red for cycles to come” because of “Biden’s gas hike, the open border crisis, baby formula shortage and rising crime.”

    The Democratic National Committee declined to comment when asked about the recent surge in voters switching to the GOP.

    And while Republican officials are quick to take credit for the shift, the phenomenon gained momentum shortly after Trump left the White House. Still, the specific reason or reasons for the shift remain unclear.

    At least some of the newly registered Republicans are actually Democrats who crossed over to vote against Trump-backed candidates in GOP primaries. Such voters are likely to vote Democratic again this November.

    But the scope and breadth of the party switching suggests something much bigger at play.

    Over the last year, nearly every state — even those without high-profile Republican primaries — moved in the same direction as voters by the thousand became Republicans. Only Virginia, which held off-year elections in 2021, saw Democrats notably trending up over the last year. But even there, Democrats were wiped out in last fall’s statewide elections.

    In Iowa, Democrats used to hold the advantage in party changers by a 2-to-1 margin. That’s flipped over the last year, with Republicans ahead by a similar amount. The same dramatic shift is playing out in Ohio.

    In Florida, Republicans captured 58 percent of party switchers during those last years of the Trump era. Now, over the last year, they command 70 percent. And in Pennsylvania, the Republicans went from 58 to 63 percent of party changers.

    The current advantage for Republicans among party changers is playing out with particular ferocity in the nation’s suburbs.

    The AP found that the Republican advantage was larger in suburban “fringe” counties, based on classifications from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, compared to smaller towns and counties. Republicans boosted their share of party changers in 168 of 235 suburban counties AP examined — 72 percent — over the last year, compared with the last years of the Trump era.

    These included suburban counties across Georgia, Iowa, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, Ohio, Virginia and Washington state.

    Republicans also gained ground in further-out suburban counties, which the CDC lumps in with medium-size cities and calls “medium metro” — more than 62 percent of such counties, 164 in all, saw Republican growth. They range from the suburban counties north of Denver, like Larimer, to Los Angeles-area ones like Ventura and Santa Barbara in California.

    The Republican advantage was nearly universal, but it was stronger in some places than others.

    For example, in Lorain County, Ohio, just outside Cleveland, nearly every party switcher over the last year has gone Republican. That’s even as Democrats captured three-quarters of those changing parties in the same county during end of the Trump era.

    Some conservative leaders worry that the GOP’s suburban gains will be limited if Republicans don’t do a better job explaining to suburban voters what they stand for — instead of what they stand against.

    Emily Seidel, who leads the Koch-backed grassroots organization Americans for Prosperity, said her network is seeing first-hand that suburban voters are distancing themselves from Democrats who represent “extreme policy positions.”

    “But that doesn’t mean that they’re ready to vote against those lawmakers either. Frankly, they’re skeptical of both options that they have,” Seidel said. “The lesson here: Candidates have to make their case, they have to give voters something to be for, not just something to be against.”

    Back in Larimer County, Colorado, 39-year-old homemaker Jessica Kroells says she can no longer vote for Democrats, despite being a reliable Democratic voter up until 2016.

    There was not a single “aha moment” that convinced her to switch, but by 2020, she said the Democratic Party had “left me behind.”

    “The party itself is no longer Democrat, it’s progressive socialism,” she said, specifically condemning Biden’s plan to eliminate billions of dollars in student debt.

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    Makes me wonder how much of a slaughterfest the midterms are going to be as long as there's no cheating.
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    I wonder how much of those switched simply to sway the primaries, though. I'd be cautious about reading into this too much. I think a better indicator is when historically blue areas go red in actual election results (like Flores- however even then you have to consider that a special election may not predict possible outcomes in a general election).
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    Since Biden Inauguration, More Than 1 Million Dems Switch to GOP

    https://medium.com/the-consummate-wr...o-8cbd3033cfd6

    At a time when the crucial 2022 mid-term elections in November are rapidly approaching, and Democrats are already bracing to lose a large number of seats in both chambers of Congress as well as several key governorships across the country, during those mid-terms, a new report issued by the Associated Press this morning suggests that the left has a lot more to worry about than just losing control of the House and the Senate.

    According to the report, released today by STEVE PEOPLES and AARON KESSLER of the Associated Press and immediately parroted by The Hill, The Los Angeles Times, ABC, Axios, and most other global news agencies who still at least try to maintain some appearance of bipartisan neutrality, in the past year, over 1 million formerly registered Democrats, across 43 different states, have officially made the switch to the GOP.

    A direct quote from the new report declares:

    “A political shift is beginning to take hold across the U.S. as tens of thousands of suburban swing voters who helped fuel the Democratic Party’s gains in recent years are becoming Republicans.

    More than 1 million voters across 43 states have switched to the Republican Party over the last year, according to voter registration data analyzed by The Associated Press. The previously unreported number reflects a phenomenon that is playing out in virtually every region of the country — Democratic and Republican states along with cities and small towns — in the period since President Joe Biden replaced former President Donald Trump.

    But nowhere is the shift more pronounced — and dangerous for Democrats — than in the suburbs, where well-educated swing voters who turned against Trump’s Republican Party in recent years appear to be swinging back. Over the last year, far more people are switching to the GOP across suburban counties from Denver to Atlanta and Pittsburgh, and Cleveland. Republicans also gained ground in counties around medium-size cities such as Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; Raleigh, North Carolina; Augusta, Georgia; and Des Moines, Iowa.”

    When asked directly why he was changing his political affiliation, Larimer County, Colorado suburbanite Ben Smith said he “reluctantly registered as a Republican earlier in the year after becoming increasingly concerned about the Democrats’ support in some localities for mandatory COVID-19 vaccines, the party’s inability to quell violent crime and its frequent focus on racial justice. The 37-year-old professional counselor went on to say: “It’s more so a rejection of the left than embracing the right.” Later in the interview, he admitted to having registered originally as a Libertarian some five or six years ago.

    In their investigation, the Associated Press examined nearly 1.7 million voters who had switched their affiliations across 43 states which report such statistics over the past calendar year. According to L2, a firm that gathers tabulates, and interprets political data from all across the country, and uses a combination of state voter records and statistical modeling to determine party affiliation, party swapping is not at all uncommon, but the end result usually ends up pretty much even in the end. This has not been the case in the past year where L2 has determined that the data shows a definite reversal from the period while Trump was in office when Democrats enjoyed a slight edge in the number of party switchers nationwide.

    Instead, over the last year, roughly two-thirds of the 1.7 million voters who changed their party affiliation shifted to the Republican Party. In all, more than 1 million people became Republicans compared to about 630,000 who became Democrats.

    While it’s certain there is no single reason for the mass party defection, these details present a clear and urgent warning to Democrats who were already concerned about their likely political probabilities this November.

    At this writing, we’re less than four months before the November mid-term elections and it’s no secret that Democrats Roughly four months before Election Day, Democrats have no clear strategy for compensating for President Joe Biden’s extremely weak popularity and voters’ overwhelming fear that the country is headed in the wrong direction with Democrats in charge.

    Republican National Committee Chair Ronna McDaniel told the Associated Press: “Biden and Democrats are woefully out of touch with the American people, and that’s why voters are flocking to the Republican Party in droves,” She predicted that “American suburbs will trend red for cycles to come” because of “Biden’s gas hike, the open border crisis, baby formula shortage, and rising crime.”

    When asked by the AP, The Democratic National Committee declined to comment when asked about the recent surge in voters switching to the GOP.

    There’s no doubt that at least some of the new Republican converts are actually ‘Democrats in disguise’, who crossed over to vote against Trump-backed candidates in GOP primaries within states that only allow primary voting by voters who are registered with that party affiliation. Those voters will still vote Democratic again this November.

    However, as the AP article explains: “the scope and breadth of the party-switching suggests something much bigger at play.” That’s because,

    “Over the last year, nearly every state — even those without high-profile Republican primaries — moved in the same direction as voters by the thousand became Republicans. Only Virginia, which held off-year elections in 2021, saw Democrats notably trending up over the last year. But even there, Democrats were wiped out in last fall’s statewide elections.”

    The L2 investigation goes on to explain:

    “In Iowa, Democrats used to hold the advantage in party changers by a 2-to-1 margin. That’s flipped over the last year, with Republicans ahead by a similar amount. The same dramatic shift is playing out in Ohio.

    In Florida, Republicans captured 58 percent of party switchers during those last years of the Trump era. Now, over the last year, they command 70 percent. And in Pennsylvania, the Republicans went from 58 to 63 percent of party changers.”

    What’s more troubling for Democrats is that the current Republican advantage among this most recent batch of party changers is occurring with the fiercest vigor throughout the nation’s middle-class suburbs.

    In their report, The Associated Press found, “that the Republican advantage was larger in suburban “fringe” counties, based on classifications from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, compared to smaller towns and counties. Republicans boosted their share of party changers in 168 of 235 suburban counties AP examined — 72 percent — over the last year, compared with the last years of the Trump era.

    These included suburban counties across Georgia, Iowa, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, Ohio, Virginia, and Washington state.

    Republicans also gained ground in further-out suburban counties, which the CDC lumps in with medium-size cities and calls “medium metro” — more than 62 percent of such counties, 164 in all, saw Republican growth. They range from the suburban counties north of Denver, like Larimer, to Los Angeles-area ones like Ventura and Santa Barbara in California.”

    Emily Seidel, a woman who leads the Koch-backed grassroots organization Americans for Prosperity, said her network “is seeing first-hand that suburban voters are distancing themselves from Democrats who represent “extreme policy positions.””

    In Larimer County, Colorado, another 39-year-old homemaker, Jessica Kroells told the AP, “she can no longer vote for Democrats, despite being a reliable Democratic voter up until 2016.”

    She went on to say that there wasn’t any particular “aha moment” that occurred that convinced her to switch, but by the time the 2020 election rolled around, she declared that the Democratic Party had “left me behind” and that “The party itself in no longer Democrat, it’s progressive socialism,” she said, specifically condemning Biden’s plan to eliminate billions of dollars in student debt.

    This story was reported by veteran Investigative Reporter Kurt Dillon — Because the Truth Matters!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    I wonder how much of those switched simply to sway the primaries, though.
    I'm sure there's some of that going on, but I doubt it accounts for much, relative to the overall total.

    I suspect it's primarily due to the fact that most voters are just not especially partisan. They vote R or D out of habit or inclination or the like, but they're not particularly committed to either. With everything that's been going on recently (COVID policy, inflation, big-city crime, yada yada), and with those things being widely perceived[1] as being "owned" by the Ds, loose Ds are more likely to vote R than loose Rs are to vote D. I doubt that significantly many of those loose Ds are becoming partisan Rs.

    The looseness of attachment to Rs and Ds is also exhibited in the number of people who identify as independents, which has been increasing steadily for many years now.

    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    I'd be cautious about reading into this too much. I think a better indicator is when historically blue areas go red in actual election results (like Flores- however even then you have to consider that a special election may not predict possible outcomes in a general election).
    It will be interesting to watch this "switch" play out, to whatever extent it does.



    [1] Rightly or wrongly so. In the case of inflation, for instance, the Rs are every bit as much to blame as the Ds - but the Ds are the ones who will happen to be in charge at the moment of the upcoming midterms, so they'll get to hold the bag on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    https://medium.com/the-consummate-wr...o-8cbd3033cfd6

    At a time when the crucial 2022 mid-term elections in November are rapidly approaching, and Democrats are already bracing to lose a large number of seats in both chambers of Congress as well as several key governorships across the country, during those mid-terms, a new report issued by the Associated Press this morning suggests that the left has a lot more to worry about than just losing control of the House and the Senate.

    According to the report, released today by STEVE PEOPLES and AARON KESSLER of the Associated Press and immediately parroted by The Hill, The Los Angeles Times, ABC, Axios, and most other global news agencies who still at least try to maintain some appearance of bipartisan neutrality, in the past year, over 1 million formerly registered Democrats, across 43 different states, have officially made the switch to the GOP.

    A direct quote from the new report declares:

    “A political shift is beginning to take hold across the U.S. as tens of thousands of suburban swing voters who helped fuel the Democratic Party’s gains in recent years are becoming Republicans.

    More than 1 million voters across 43 states have switched to the Republican Party over the last year, according to voter registration data analyzed by The Associated Press. The previously unreported number reflects a phenomenon that is playing out in virtually every region of the country — Democratic and Republican states along with cities and small towns — in the period since President Joe Biden replaced former President Donald Trump.

    But nowhere is the shift more pronounced — and dangerous for Democrats — than in the suburbs, where well-educated swing voters who turned against Trump’s Republican Party in recent years appear to be swinging back. Over the last year, far more people are switching to the GOP across suburban counties from Denver to Atlanta and Pittsburgh, and Cleveland. Republicans also gained ground in counties around medium-size cities such as Harrisburg, Pennsylvania; Raleigh, North Carolina; Augusta, Georgia; and Des Moines, Iowa.”

    When asked directly why he was changing his political affiliation, Larimer County, Colorado suburbanite Ben Smith said he “reluctantly registered as a Republican earlier in the year after becoming increasingly concerned about the Democrats’ support in some localities for mandatory COVID-19 vaccines, the party’s inability to quell violent crime and its frequent focus on racial justice. The 37-year-old professional counselor went on to say: “It’s more so a rejection of the left than embracing the right.” Later in the interview, he admitted to having registered originally as a Libertarian some five or six years ago.

    In their investigation, the Associated Press examined nearly 1.7 million voters who had switched their affiliations across 43 states which report such statistics over the past calendar year. According to L2, a firm that gathers tabulates, and interprets political data from all across the country, and uses a combination of state voter records and statistical modeling to determine party affiliation, party swapping is not at all uncommon, but the end result usually ends up pretty much even in the end. This has not been the case in the past year where L2 has determined that the data shows a definite reversal from the period while Trump was in office when Democrats enjoyed a slight edge in the number of party switchers nationwide.

    Instead, over the last year, roughly two-thirds of the 1.7 million voters who changed their party affiliation shifted to the Republican Party. In all, more than 1 million people became Republicans compared to about 630,000 who became Democrats.

    While it’s certain there is no single reason for the mass party defection, these details present a clear and urgent warning to Democrats who were already concerned about their likely political probabilities this November.

    At this writing, we’re less than four months before the November mid-term elections and it’s no secret that Democrats Roughly four months before Election Day, Democrats have no clear strategy for compensating for President Joe Biden’s extremely weak popularity and voters’ overwhelming fear that the country is headed in the wrong direction with Democrats in charge.

    Republican National Committee Chair Ronna McDaniel told the Associated Press: “Biden and Democrats are woefully out of touch with the American people, and that’s why voters are flocking to the Republican Party in droves,” She predicted that “American suburbs will trend red for cycles to come” because of “Biden’s gas hike, the open border crisis, baby formula shortage, and rising crime.”

    When asked by the AP, The Democratic National Committee declined to comment when asked about the recent surge in voters switching to the GOP.

    There’s no doubt that at least some of the new Republican converts are actually ‘Democrats in disguise’, who crossed over to vote against Trump-backed candidates in GOP primaries within states that only allow primary voting by voters who are registered with that party affiliation. Those voters will still vote Democratic again this November.

    However, as the AP article explains: “the scope and breadth of the party-switching suggests something much bigger at play.” That’s because,

    “Over the last year, nearly every state — even those without high-profile Republican primaries — moved in the same direction as voters by the thousand became Republicans. Only Virginia, which held off-year elections in 2021, saw Democrats notably trending up over the last year. But even there, Democrats were wiped out in last fall’s statewide elections.”

    The L2 investigation goes on to explain:

    “In Iowa, Democrats used to hold the advantage in party changers by a 2-to-1 margin. That’s flipped over the last year, with Republicans ahead by a similar amount. The same dramatic shift is playing out in Ohio.

    In Florida, Republicans captured 58 percent of party switchers during those last years of the Trump era. Now, over the last year, they command 70 percent. And in Pennsylvania, the Republicans went from 58 to 63 percent of party changers.”

    What’s more troubling for Democrats is that the current Republican advantage among this most recent batch of party changers is occurring with the fiercest vigor throughout the nation’s middle-class suburbs.

    In their report, The Associated Press found, “that the Republican advantage was larger in suburban “fringe” counties, based on classifications from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, compared to smaller towns and counties. Republicans boosted their share of party changers in 168 of 235 suburban counties AP examined — 72 percent — over the last year, compared with the last years of the Trump era.

    These included suburban counties across Georgia, Iowa, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, Ohio, Virginia, and Washington state.

    Republicans also gained ground in further-out suburban counties, which the CDC lumps in with medium-size cities and calls “medium metro” — more than 62 percent of such counties, 164 in all, saw Republican growth. They range from the suburban counties north of Denver, like Larimer, to Los Angeles-area ones like Ventura and Santa Barbara in California.”

    Emily Seidel, a woman who leads the Koch-backed grassroots organization Americans for Prosperity, said her network “is seeing first-hand that suburban voters are distancing themselves from Democrats who represent “extreme policy positions.””

    In Larimer County, Colorado, another 39-year-old homemaker, Jessica Kroells told the AP, “she can no longer vote for Democrats, despite being a reliable Democratic voter up until 2016.”

    She went on to say that there wasn’t any particular “aha moment” that occurred that convinced her to switch, but by the time the 2020 election rolled around, she declared that the Democratic Party had “left me behind” and that “The party itself in no longer Democrat, it’s progressive socialism,” she said, specifically condemning Biden’s plan to eliminate billions of dollars in student debt.

    This story was reported by veteran Investigative Reporter Kurt Dillon — Because the Truth Matters!

    So @Anti Federalist and @TheTexan. Y'all still think I'm being overly optimistic? Well just call me the black male pollyanna then.
    On the federal level? The left controls the federal election apparatus... I expect 2022 the democrats will gain seats, in of course, "the most secure election ever"

    My hope remains confined to the ongoing dividening of this country
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    On the federal level? The left controls the federal election apparatus... I expect 2022 the democrats will gain seats, in of course, "the most secure election ever"

    My hope remains confined to the ongoing dividening of this country
    @Anti Federalist already bet me a bottle of Mike Rowe's whiskey. What would you like to wager? I say the democrats lose seats in 2022 and most likely lose the House.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    @Anti Federalist already bet me a bottle of Mike Rowe's whiskey. What would you like to wager? I say the democrats lose seats in 2022 and most likely lose the House.
    If polling is any indication, Republicans are setup for a super majority if there are fair elections. Not sure what the polling looks like post-Roe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    @Anti Federalist already bet me a bottle of Mike Rowe's whiskey. What would you like to wager? I say the democrats lose seats in 2022 and most likely lose the House.
    There's a good chance I'm wrong about 2022, but I'll just sit back and see what happens.

    The thing is though, even if Republicans do take back the house, and pull off some miracle and in 2024 they've got the House, the Senate, the Presidency...what happens next?

    Pretty much nothing. Is that still "winning"?
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    As long as the United States remains "united",

    the slow march to tyranny will ever march forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    There's a good chance I'm wrong about 2022, but I'll just sit back and see what happens.

    The thing is though, even if Republicans do take back the house, and pull off some miracle and in 2024 they've got the House, the Senate, the Presidency...what happens next?

    Pretty much nothing. Is that still "winning"?
    Impeachment of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    In all, more than 1 million people became Republicans compared to about 630,000 who became Democrats.
    Strange headline... Does this mean there was a net 370,000?? Seems less impressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    There's a good chance I'm wrong about 2022, but I'll just sit back and see what happens.

    The thing is though, even if Republicans do take back the house, and pull off some miracle and in 2024 they've got the House, the Senate, the Presidency...what happens next?

    Pretty much nothing. Is that still "winning"?
    Gridlock at this point is good. So yeah, nothing is winning. That said, if you expect any goalposts to be moved, don't expect it to be done by politicians. What's REALLY needed is a cultural shift. How does that happen? By persuading enough people on the other side that you are right. At this point, with gas prices where the are and food shortages on the horizon, educating people about what's really going on is easier than you think.
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  16. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    As long as the United States remains "united",

    the slow march to tyranny will ever march forward.
    Yeah...because tyranny in the Balkans ended with the breakup of Yugoslavia. /sarcasm
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  17. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    What's REALLY needed is a cultural shift. How does that happen?
    Secession!!!!!

    This country has been culturally neutered for 190 years since jackson. The states have been locked in cages, told to shut the $#@! up, and eat whatever slop that they are so kind to toss in.

    If you want culture, set the states free! Let Texas be $#@!ing Texas, let California be the gay prancing California it always dreamed of, and you will see culture!
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
    - Kim Kardashian

    Donald Trump / Trump Jr 2024!!!!

    My pronouns are he/him/his

  18. #16
    Why does this AP headline call this a "warning to Democrats"? What if nobody cares about warning the Democrats? The Milky Way Galaxy, contrary to MSM reports, does not revolve around the Democratic Party.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 06-29-2022 at 08:40 AM.
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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Secession!!!!!

    This country has been culturally neutered for 190 years since jackson. The states have been locked in cages, told to shut the $#@! up, and eat whatever slop that they are so kind to toss in.

    If you want culture, set the states free! Let Texas be $#@!ing Texas, let California be the gay prancing California it always dreamed of, and you will see culture!
    Well I have to admit the last secession attempt did end in a positive cultural shift with the end of the S word.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Strange headline... Does this mean there was a net 370,000?? Seems less impressive.
    Fair point. But also consider these a swing votes, not just additional registrations. So a net increase of 370,000 is the same as 740,000 new registered voters.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    I'm sure there's some of that going on, but I doubt it accounts for much, relative to the overall total.

    I suspect it's primarily due to the fact that most voters are just not especially partisan. They vote R or D out of habit or inclination or the like, but they're not particularly committed to either. With everything that's been going on recently (COVID policy, inflation, big-city crime, yada yada), and with those things being widely perceived[1] as being "owned" by the Ds, loose Ds are more likely to vote R than loose Rs are to vote D. I doubt that significantly many of those loose Ds are becoming partisan Rs.

    The looseness of attachment to Rs and Ds is also exhibited in the number of people who identify as independents, which has been increasing steadily for many years now.



    It will be interesting to watch this "switch" play out, to whatever extent it does.



    [1] Rightly or wrongly so. In the case of inflation, for instance, the Rs are every bit as much to blame as the Ds - but the Ds are the ones who will happen to be in charge at the moment of the upcoming midterms, so they'll get to hold the bag on it.
    AFAIK party registration is only important for participating in primaries, that's why I say that the ability to influence primaries would be their motivation for switching. They can still vote for whomever they want when they take the ballot in November. So if they are changing registration to make a point . . . that would be truly alarming, because I don't think many people would do that (it's hard enough to get people to get off their asses and vote in person, so these are some really dedicated moderates/swing voters to be making symbolic gestures).

    Already got my hopes burned in the past with the #walkaway fizzle, in an election year where Biden received even more democrat "votes" than Obama. Gonna try to avoid that rosy optimism this year and not take anything for granted.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 06-29-2022 at 09:23 AM.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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