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    The Nation: "The Libertarian Party Goes Alt-Right"

    The reaction of the corporate media (and of progressive organizations in general) to the takeover of the Libertarian Party by the Mises Caucus is one of the more interesting metrics for determining the impact of the takeover's success.

    It's been a week-and-a-half, and we've already had a hit piece from the SPLC and a neutral article from a Washington Post newsletter. Now The Nation joins in with another hit piece. (Apparently, you see, Mises folk are just a bunch of racist, Trump-humping, MAGA-drone fifth-columnists.) The truest measure of success, however, will come if and when the likes of the Washington Post proper, the New York Times, MSNBC, CNN, and the like start to pile on ...

    Flak, meet target. Target, flak.

    The Libertarian Party Goes Alt-Right
    By embracing bigotry, Libertarians are poised to help reelect Trump.
    https://www.thenation.com/article/po...gop-alt-right/
    Jeet Heer (06 June 2022)

    Third parties have a political impact far greater than their electoral successes. They are the research and development wing of the political system. Only once, during the exceptional rise of the Republican Party in the 1850s, has a third party gained enough support to actually contend for power, but there are plenty of cases where the two major parties have liberally borrowed issues and ideas from upstart rivals. Lincoln’s Republicans themselves took their stance against the expansion of slavery from the earlier Liberty Party and Free Soil Party. The Democrats under William Jennings Bryan filched (and watered down) the agenda of the People’s Party. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was similarly light-fingered in borrowing ideas from the Socialist Party and other left formations. In a more sinister vein, Richard Nixon’s “Southern strategy” and dog whistles about “law and order” were motivated by a desire to steal the thunder of George Wallace, who ran in 1968 as the nominee of the American Independent Party.

    The Libertarian Party can rightly claim to be heir to this tradition of being a seedbed for policy innovations taken over by both Democrats and Republicans. If the dominant ideology of American politics since the 1970s is neoliberalism, then the Libertarian Party has truly punched above its weight, influencing trends in both economics (the diminishment of the welfare state) and social policy (the Libertarian Party championed gay rights and drug decriminalization long before the Democrats).

    In defiance of this history, the Libertarian Party now seems to have entered a topsy-turvy world where it has started mimicking the Republicans. Since Donald Trump launched his presidential campaign, the dominant political story on the right has been the GOP’s becoming steadily Trumpized—a trend visible in both policy (more protectionist, more anti-immigrant, more unilateralist in foreign policy) and also cultural style (with Trump’s insult-comedian routine now de rigueur among Republican candidates).

    In 2016, Gary Johnson became the most successful Libertarian candidate in history, getting nearly 4.5 million votes (or 3.3 percent of the votes cast). This was three times more than any previous Libertarian presidential candidate, including Johnson in his earlier 2012 run. Johnson achieved this success by being closer to the kind of old-line establishment Republican that the GOP had just rejected: He was a soft-spoken, culturally moderate advocate of small government. As such, he seemed like an alternative to Trump for weary Republicans.

    But despite Johnson’s strong electoral showing, the Libertarian party was quickly wracked by its own internal strife thanks to a guerrilla faction that wanted to take up culture war politics.

    In July 28, 2017, Jeff Deist, the president of the Mises Institute, named for libertarian economist Ludwig von Mises, published a blog post arguing that “blood and soil and God and nation still matter to people. Libertarians ignore this at the risk of irrelevance.” The phrase “blood and soil” already had an unmistakable fascist overtone—but it took on an even more gruesome connotation two weeks after the post during the infamous Charlottesville Unite the Right Rally of 2017, where an anti-racist protester was killed. The white supremacists who tried to dominate the streets of Charlottesville chanted “blood and soil.” Several of the organizers of the Charlottesville rally identified as libertarians. In the wake of that event, Nicholas Sarwark, chair of the Libertarian Party, signed an open letter warning of the dangers of fascism. Arvin Vohra, vice chair of the Libertarian Party, wrote a post arguing that the “Mises Institute has been turned into a sales funnel for the White Nationalist branch of the Alt Right.”

    The ensuing arguments over “blood and soil” lead to the creation of a Mises Caucus, which aimed to overthrow the pragmatic Gary Johnson wing of the party and adopt the incendiary culture war politics of the hard right.

    Writing in Reason, Brian Doherty, a distinguished historian of libertarianism, reports that “foes say that too many Mises Caucus members and fans downplay libertarian positions that might offend the right, are intentionally obnoxious and bullying, and are often racist.” Doherty cites a tweet posted by the New Hampshire Libertarian Party after it was taken over by the Mises Caucus: “America isn’t in debt to black people. If anything it’s the other way around.” That tweet ran on Martin Luther King Jr. Day and was subsequently deleted after criticism. On March 7, 2021, Jeremy Kauffman, a prominent member of the Mises Caucus, tweeted: “if 1,000 transpeople were murdered every year but there were no taxes, we’d live in a substantially more moral world. [For] reference about 40…transgender people are murdered in the US per year.” That tweet was also later deleted.

    In early 2021, the Mises Caucus in California invited an anti-Semitic provocateur named Bryan Sharpe (also known as Hotep Jesus) to speak at its state convention. Angela McArdle, a leading member of the Mises Caucus, defended the invitation, saying, “I don’t actually think that someone who is trying to be a truth-seeker and understand what’s going on—and asked the question about whether or not Jews run Hollywood is an antisemite.”

    On May 29, at the Libertarian Party Convention in Reno, McArdle won the title of chair of the party’s national committee. This was a decisive victory for the Mises Caucus, which received the vote of 69 percent of delegates. The Mises Caucus is now the undisputed ruling faction of the party.

    In a report for Hatewatch, a publication of the Southern Poverty Law Center, Creede Newton assembled evidence—circumstantial but suggestive—that the Mises Caucus is aligned with Trumpist Republicans. David Valente, an active Libertarian Party member since 2012 who used to be an alternate member of the Libertarian National Committee, told Hatewatch, “The purpose of what is going on with the MC…is to sabotage the LP to sideline it over the next few years for Donald Trump.” Ashley Shade, another disaffected Libertarian Party member and former chair of the Massachusetts Libertarian Party, also spoke with Hatewatch and characterized the Mises Caucus as a “tool of the Republican Party.”

    Whether or not the Mises Caucus is deliberately planning this, the turmoil it has inflicted on the Libertarian Party is a boon to Republicans. Speaking on The Neoliberal Podcast, Andy Craig, a staff writer at the Cato Institute, predicted that the Libertarian Party is “going to fade away very quickly. They are going to lose their ballot access. They basically already are bankrupt. All the donors [will] leave.”

    Brian Doherty’s reporting in Reason supports this analysis:

    Two former significant donors to the L.P., Kyle Varner and Michael Chastain, both with decades long history in the party, did say in phone interviews that the Mises turn, which they see as importing a level of racist edgelording they have no taste for, has made them stop funding L.P. candidates. Such defections are particularly relevant in this environment: The national L.P. has just had three months in a row of spending exceeding income, and the number of active donors has been falling for seven straight months.

    The model here might be some political shenanigans from the 2000 election. That year, Roger Stone worked with Trump to throw the primaries of the Reform Party into disarray (Trump briefly entered the race and directed his fire at the eventual nominee, Pat Buchanan). The weakening of the Reform Party had the effect of helping the GOP. Some observers, like the late Village Voice reporter Wayne Barrett, speculated that this had been Stone’s goal all along.

    Taking the Libertarian party out as a competitive force will help consolidate the right-wing vote around the Republican Party. Once the Libertarian Party becomes a husk of its former self, the alt-right faction will continue to assist a Trumpized GOP in a way that parallels groups like the Proud Boys. MAGA Libertarians will be a potent vector for spreading bigotry on social media. The Mises Caucus are the nominal winners in the internecine libertarian wars, but the ultimate beneficiary could be Donald Trump.
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    Alt-Right is just another name for Leftism. IE bigger govt with MORE interference.

    DO NOT TRUST THE ALT-RIGHT
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Alt-Right is just another name for Leftism. IE bigger govt with MORE interference.

    DO NOT TRUST THE ALT-RIGHT
    I disagree. "Alt right", when used by the Left, is just another name, for anyone not on the Left.
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    The alt-right are $#@!s. I liked the direction things were going with Johnson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    The alt-right are $#@!s. I liked the direction things were going with Johnson.
    People who liked the direction things were going with Johnson, are $#@!s
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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    Donald Trump / Crenshaw 2024!!!!

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    anyone not liked is alt right..

    WTF is Alt Right??
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    By the way, this Jeet Heer clown is the same jackass who wrote the OP article.

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    So ... would you rather drive over a bridge (or fly on a plane) designed by a "binary system of right answers" or by a "huermenuetics [sic] of disciplinary engagement"? (And the word is "hermeneutics", not "huermenuetics". Or perhaps I'm being too "binary" ...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    I disagree. "Alt right", when used by the Left, is just another name, for anyone not on the Left.
    You cannot give Reputation to the same post twice.

    When both Michael Malice and Glenn Greenwald are denounced as "alt-right" (as they both have been), you can be sure the word means nothing and has become nothing more than a vacuous slander aimed at some of those whom far-left progressives or sour-grape never-Trumpers disagree with and don't like (which, in the case of far-left progressives, includes pretty much everyone except far-left progressives).

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    People who liked the direction things were going with Johnson, are $#@!s
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TheTexan again.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 06-07-2022 at 03:28 PM.



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    There are some astute observations in the article, though, regarding the duopoly pilfering popular platforms from 3rd parties after a 3rd party has springboarded a selected platform into the mainstream.

    Expect the GOP to start to care about Auditing and/or Ending the Fed and reintroducing gold-backed "sound money" very soon, though the solution presented will only be the next step further into digital control. E-cash and CBDCs.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

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    the Libertarian Party now seems to have entered a topsy-turvy world
    Project much? Ironic, coming from a member of the Clown World Ministry of Contradiction, Propaganda and Insanity.

    In 2016, Gary Johnson became the most successful Libertarian candidate in history, getting nearly 4.5 million votes (or 3.3 percent of the votes cast). This was three times more than any previous Libertarian presidential candidate, including Johnson in his earlier 2012 run. Johnson achieved this success by being closer to the kind of old-line establishment Republican that the GOP had just rejected...
    Let me fix that for you. “achieved this success by not being Trump or Hillary.”

    I said it at the time and and I’ll say it again: the electoral gains for the Libertarian Party during that election had nothing to do with Johnson or the beltway LP national leadership. Considering how hated Trump was, and how hated and corrupt Hillary was, the Libertarian candidate should have gotten even more.

    Arvin Vohra, vice chair of the Libertarian Party, wrote a post arguing that the “Mises Institute has been turned into a sales funnel for the White Nationalist branch of the Alt Right.”
    And we are supposed to be shocked that the beltway left wing libertarian leadership somehow made enemies?

    The national L.P. has just had three months in a row of spending exceeding income, and the number of active donors has been falling for seven straight months.
    So the LP National was fiscally irresponsible? Or were they like Pelosi and spending as much as possible before they lose power?
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    There are some astute observations in the article, though, regarding the duopoly pilfering popular platforms from 3rd parties after a 3rd party has springboarded a selected platform into the mainstream.
    His observations are not astute, they are routine and pedestrian. No observer of the politics or political history of democracies can possibly have failed to be aware of or to understand just how common the phenomenon is. He might just as well have observed that those who stand in the rain without an umbrella tend to get wet.

    The author merely reverses the cliche (the Mises-led LP will "pilfer" Trump's platform), not in order to say anything interesting or insightful, but only to use as a springboard for his own "boogity!! boogity!!" bull$#@! concerning the alleged pending zombification of the LP as a cat's-paw for Trump. LMMFAO
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 06-07-2022 at 04:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    His observations are not astute, they are pedestrian and garden-variety. No observer of the politics or political history of democracies can possibly have failed to be aware of or to understand just how common the phenomenon is. He might just as well have observed that those who stand in the rain without an umbrella tend to get wet.

    The author merely reverses the cliche (the Mises-led LP will "pilfer" Trump's platform), not in order to say anything interesting or insightful, but only to use as a springboard for his own "boogity!! boogity!!" bull$#@! concerning the alleged pending zombification of the LP as a cat's-paw for Trump. LMMFAO
    Perhaps some platform ideas are promoted to flourish under the mainstream surface so that they can be pilfered and mainstreamed at a predetermined future time to fulfill a planned outcome. Just an angle to consider. But naaa you're probably right. It's not like the intel agencies and their think tanks game plan the future 20 or 30 years in advance....
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Perhaps some platform ideas are promoted to flourish under the mainstream surface so that they can be pilfered and mainstreamed at a predetermined future time to fulfill a planned outcome. Just an angle to consider. But naaa you're probably right. It's not like the intel agencies and their think tanks game plan the future 20 or 30 years in advance....
    My God, I see it now! It's all so clear ...

    ... changing the wording of the discrimination plank ... the complete removal of the abortion plank ... the insertion of a "right to secession" plank ...

    ... all part of the CIA's master plan!

    (I just wish we didn't have to wait 20 or 30 years for it to come to fruition. Especially for that last one.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    My God, I see it now! It's all so clear ...

    ... changing the wording of the discrimination plank ... the complete removal of the abortion plank ... the insertion of a "right to secession" plank ...

    ... all part of the CIA's master plan!

    (I just wish we didn't have to wait 20 or 30 years for it to come to fruition. Especially for that last one.)
    Those aren't particularly the platforms I am referring to but some others will undoubtedly come in handy shortly. Mainly economic, not social.

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    Last edited by devil21; 06-07-2022 at 05:28 PM.
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    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Let me fix that for you. “achieved this success by not being Trump or Hillary.”

    I said it at the time and and I’ll say it again: the electoral gains for the Libertarian Party during that election had nothing to do with Johnson or the beltway LP national leadership. Considering how hated Trump was, and how hated and corrupt Hillary was, the Libertarian candidate should have gotten even more.
    It had nothing at all to do with being a sucessful former governor with name recognition and actual political leadership experience? Right?

    Oh well the LP is back to being a circle jerk and nominating nobodies. I probably will still vote for whoever the LP nominates if the GOP is stupid enough to nominate Trump again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Oh well the LP is back to being a circle jerk and nominating nobodies. I probably will still vote for whoever the LP nominates if the GOP is stupid enough to nominate Trump again.
    We disagree on some things but at least we both agree on the importance of voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    My God, I see it now! It's all so clear ...

    ... changing the wording of the discrimination plank ... the complete removal of the abortion plank ... the insertion of a "right to secession" plank ...

    ... all part of the CIA's master plan!

    (I just wish we didn't have to wait 20 or 30 years for it to come to fruition. Especially for that last one.)
    There is no hope, the CIA is playing infinity-D chess... just take the blackpill now and become a Doomer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    It had nothing at all to do with being a sucessful former governor with name recognition and actual political leadership experience? Right?
    ...
    Gary Johnson did not have much more name recognition with the general public than his pet leppo. That’s my opinion. The Green Party got a million more votes than usual that year too (~350% increase).

    Johnson and his supporters can claim that it was Johnson, but there is no evidence to prove that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    There is no hope, the CIA is playing infinity-D chess... just take the blackpill now and become a Doomer...



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    The LP didn't go Alt Right. They did something that allowed them to get their soul back.
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    good!
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    It had nothing at all to do with being a sucessful former governor with name recognition and actual political leadership experience? Right?
    Exactly right. Otherwise, when he ran on the LP ticket in 2012, he would have gotten more than just less-than-a-third of what he got when he ran on the LP ticket (again) in 2016.

    After all. he was just as much a "successful former governor" in 2012 as he was in 2016, he had all the same "actual political leadership experience" in 2012 as he did in 2016, and he was just as name-recognizable in 2012 as he was in 2016 (and probably more so, since he had run in the 2012 Republican primaries and was in two of the debates).

    The only reason Johnson did significantly better in 2016 than in 2012 is because Trump and Hillary were two of the most reviled and disliked candidates to ever simultaneously run for POTUS on opposing major party tickets. Combine that with the fact that the Libertarian Party was the only other party whose candidate was on the ballot in all 50 states, and it's not at all difficult to understand that Johnson only got as many votes as he did in 2016 merely because he wasn't Trump or Hillary.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 06-07-2022 at 07:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marenco View Post


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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    The only reason Johnson did significantly better in 2016 than in 2012 is because Trump and Hillary were two of the most reviled and disliked candidates to ever simultaneously run for POTUS on opposing major party tickets.
    When you put it that way, it's kind of surprising that Johnson only got 3.3%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Exactly right. Otherwise, when he ran on the LP ticket in 2012, he would have gotten more than just less-than-a-third of what he got when he ran on the LP ticket (again) in 2016.

    After all. he was just as much a "successful former governor" in 2012 as he was in 2016, he had all the same "actual political leadership experience" in 2012 as he did in 2016, and he was just as name-recognizable in 2012 as he was in 2016 (and probably more so, since he had run in the 2012 Republican primaries and was in two of the debates).

    The only reason Johnson did significantly better in 2016 than in 2012 is because Trump and Hillary were two of the most reviled and disliked candidates to ever simultaneously run for POTUS on opposing major party tickets. Combine that with the fact that the Libertarian Party was the only other party whose candidate was on the ballot in all 50 states, and it's not at all difficult to understand that Johnson only got as many votes as he did in 2016 merely because he wasn't Trump or Hillary.
    Yes, no politician has ever done better on their second run than their first. Never happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Yes, no politician has ever done better on their second run than their first. Never happens.
    That same year, Evan McMullen got 21.5% in Utah.

    Johnson didn't get double digits in a single state
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    That same year, Evan McMullen got 21.5% in Utah.

    Johnson didn't get double digits in a single state
    A mormon did well in Utah? Impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaytonB View Post
    There is no hope, the CIA is playing infinity-D chess... just take the blackpill now and become a Doomer...

    Or tie a plastic bag over your head.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Yes, no politician has ever done better on their second run than their first. Never happens.
    That is not what I said.

    But by all means, continue telling yourself that the triple+ bump in his 2016 numbers was due to his gubernatorial gravitas.


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