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  1. #301
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Contempt of Cop is a serious offense in Klown World
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  3. #302
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Okay, if this is true, then Punisher-logo-on-the-phone cop gets a pass:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dor-Ramos.html
    What...the actual...hell? Note that the cop you are referring to only had a handgun and no body armor.

    John 10:11-13
    11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12 The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. 13 The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.

    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Contempt of Cop is a serious offense in Klown World
    Seems to be a pattern of cowards to hate on the people actually trying to do something.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  4. #303
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake
    What...the actual...hell? Note that the cop you are referring to only had a handgun and no body armor.
    ^^^^^^^^Always some convenient after-the-fact excuse put out when something questionable arises and receives social media attention. Move along, nothing to see here. Just keep accepting the narrative that we, the big truthful media corporate conglomerates, feed you to explain everything questionable away.

    Pay no mind to the fact that the Punisher logo was also the logo used by Craft International, the "training consulting firm" suspected of carrying out the Boston Bombing event and other false flags and hoaxes.
    https://repository.library.northeast.../neu:m042gs85s
    Last edited by devil21; 07-15-2022 at 11:18 AM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  5. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    ^^^^^^^^Always some convenient after-the-fact excuse put out when something questionable arises and receives social media attention. Move along, nothing to see here. Just keep accepting the narrative that we, the big truthful media corporate conglomerates, feed you to explain everything questionable away.

    Pay no mind to the fact that the Punisher logo was also the logo used by Craft International, the "training consulting firm" suspected of carrying out the Boston Bombing event and other false flags and hoaxes.
    https://repository.library.northeast.../neu:m042gs85s
    The point I was making is that he wasn't trying to make "excuses." He actually WANTED to go in and try to save his dying wife. Despite not having a rifle or body armor he still attempted to go in and was stopped by his fellow cops. As for the Punisher logo, it's also used by Oathkeepers.

    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  7. #305
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    The point I was making is that he wasn't trying to make "excuses." He actually WANTED to go in and try to save his dying wife. Despite not having a rifle or body armor he still attempted to go in and was stopped by his fellow cops. As for the Punisher logo, it's also used by Oathkeepers.

    You realize that's just a gif someone made on Etsy right? That is/was Craft's actual corporate logo.

    Actual Oathkeepers logo:


    Any way, the story stinks more every day, and there's now always a convenient cover story put out to explain away the growing stink. Why anyone buys into any of it as anything other than fiction, or at best another false flag psyop, is beyond my comprehension.
    Last edited by devil21; 07-16-2022 at 11:17 AM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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  9. #307
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Nonsense. Go watch the original on-the-ground videos again. There were no more than 3 ambulances staged outside the school but there were 400 LEOs? lol ok
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  10. #308
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Nonsense. Go watch the original on-the-ground videos again. There were no more than 3 ambulances staged outside the school but there were 400 LEOs? lol ok
    Wait, so now we're suddenly supposed to trust what we see in "black mirror world"?
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 07-20-2022 at 01:15 AM.

  11. #309
    77 minutes vs. 15+ seconds


  12. #310
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    77 minutes vs. 15+ seconds


    Whoever holds the purse strings to that particular black-ops budget is the only one who can stop 'mass shootings' .
    A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.


    -- Marcus Tullius Cicero --

  13. #311
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Wait, so now we're suddenly supposed to trust what we see in "black mirror world"?
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/discernment

    We all have different levels of it.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  14. #312
    Quote Originally Posted by Jenard Butler View Post
    Whoever holds the purse strings to that particular black-ops budget is the only one who can stop 'mass shootings' .
    Tell that to this guy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...



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  16. #313
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    LOL. "Discernment" - a pretty fancy word to use for a phenomenon as simple as just dismissing as untrustworthy anything that doesn't happen to dovetail with your preferred narrative, while giving a pass to whatever does.

    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    We all have different levels of it.
    Oh, I'm sure

    And your level of "discernment" seems to be higher than everyone else's.

    Much higher.

  17. #314
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    LOL. "Discernment" - a pretty fancy word to use for a phenomenon as simple as just dismissing as untrustworthy anything that doesn't happen to dovetail with your preferred narrative, while giving a pass to whatever does.



    Oh, I'm sure

    And your level of "discernment" seems to be higher than everyone else's.

    Much higher.
    I appreciate your continued flattery but I do not wish to date you.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  18. #315
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I appreciate your continued flattery but I do not wish to date you.
    Pretty good. It would be funnier if we thought you also had insane eyes and donkey teeth.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

  19. #316
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I appreciate your continued flattery but I do not wish to date you.
    That's okay. I'd just have broken your heart when you inevitably ended up deciding I'm some kind of "controlled opposition", anyway.

  20. #317
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Pretty good. It would be funnier if we thought you also had insane eyes and donkey teeth.
    We're all libertarians here. After dimming the LEDs and lighting a few banana scented candles, whatever Occam's wants to imagine is his business.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  21. #318
    “I’m so scared”: 911 recordings reveal fear and urgency of those trapped in Uvalde elementary school
    Audio obtained by The Texas Tribune and ProPublica shows just how long police and dispatchers likely knew that children and teachers were in danger before taking action at Robb Elementary School.
    https://www.texastribune.org/2022/11...tch-recordings
    (01 November 2022)

    [... article and audio clips at link ...]
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 11-01-2022 at 11:47 PM.

  22. #319
    Uvalde school police chief admitted to deliberately leaving kids in classroom
    "I didn't want this dude to come out," the chief said with a chuckle as he defended his decision to evacuate the rest of the school first before attempting to rescue the kids trapped in a classroom with the shooter.
    https://thepostmillennial.com/uvalde...s-in-classroom
    Alex Timothy (12 January 2023)

    The Texas police chief who came under fire for his handling of the Uvalde school shooting has been revealed to have admitted the day after the mass slaughter that he deliberately made the call to keep the kids in the classroom and to not rescue them, even though he described hearing "a lot" of shots and the gunman reload.

    Pedro "Pete" Arredondo made the admission during his only briefing with investigators the day after the deadly massacre at Robb Elementary School that left 19 kids and two teachers dead.

    During the hour-long interview, which was obtained by CNN, the chief can be seen smiling and making jokes, while also defending his decision to evacuate the rest of the school before attempting to rescue the students trapped in a classroom with the 18-year-old mass shooter Salvador Ramos.

    "When I opened the [school] door, I saw the smoke," Arredondo said as he described being the first officer to arrive at the scene and hearing multiple gunshots as he and a colleague approached the classroom where the kids and teachers were being held.

    "Obviously, I backed off and started taking cover," he said, despite his training clearly stating that officers risk their own lives to "neutralize" active shooters, which CNN noted.

    "I know there's probably victims in there and with the shots I heard, I know there’s probably somebody who’s going to be deceased," he stated, but argued that his priority should be the "preservation of life" of those not under "immediate threat."

    "I know this is horrible," he said, incorrectly claiming that it's what "our training tells us to do."

    "We have him contained, there's probably going to be some deceased in there — but we don't need any more from out here," he said.

    CNN noted that Arredondo had just a few months earlier received active-shooter training, which states, "First responders to the active shooter scene will usually be required to place themselves in harm's way and display uncommon acts of courage to save the innocent."

    A full 77 minutes later, authorities on the scene finally burst into the room and confronted Ramos.

    "We're going to get scrutinized, I'm expecting that. We're getting scrutinized for why we didn’t go in there," he said.

    He claims he was unable to communicate with dispatch, and despite acknowledging that he heard the gunman reload, remained focused on clearing the rest of the school and getting more cover.

    "I didn’t want this dude to come out," he said with a chuckle. "I didn’t want him to pop up somewhere and run off."

    He also blamed the delay on being unable to locate a key to unlock the door, even though a Texas Senate hearing later heard that the door was unlocked the whole time and that nobody even tried to open it.

    This newly revealed interview was the only one Arredondo gave, as he stopped cooperating following the many accusations of leading a disastrous response.

    The chief was fired from his position with the Uvalde school board in August.

  23. #320
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    During the hour-long interview, which was obtained by CNN, the chief can be seen smiling and making jokes [...]
    To paraphrase Michael Malice: "There is no breaking of the law so obscene that the police are unwilling to ignore it, up to and including the mass execution of innocent children."

    [H]e [...] argued that his priority should be the "preservation of life" of those not under "immediate threat."
    IOW: "He argued that his priority should be saving those who are not in danger."



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  25. #321
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    To paraphrase Michael Malice: "There is no breaking of the law so obscene that the police are unwilling to ignore it, up to and including the mass execution of innocent children."



    IOW: "He argued that his priority should be saving those who are not in danger."

    It's much safer for the LEOs that way. You know, making sure they all come home safe and all that.
    Chris

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  26. #322
    Gun grabbers are gearing up to exploit the Uvalde incident (surprise! surprise!).

    You see, AR-15s are scary, and you shouldn't be allowed to have one - because cops are cowards (yes, that's really their lead-off hook/justification).

    Here's the first tweet of a thread to that effect from the Texas Tribune:
    I won't bother reproducing the whole thread here, as it's basically just a regurgitation of all the usual gun-grabber fear porn, and has little to do with the actual events of that awful day (except insofar as those events serve as an excuse for all the pearl-clutching).

    Follow the previous link to see the whole thread (and get a link to the Texas Tribune's corresponding article, if you care to read it).

    Meanwhile, here's some palate-cleanser from GOA (and GOA's Senior Vice President):
    (I won't even bother looking for anything from the NRA.)
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 03-20-2023 at 07:34 PM.

  27. #323
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    (I won't even bother looking for anything from the NRA.)
    I suppose that it is a fitting and ironic end for the NRA that they became the sacrificial anode to further their gun-grabbing, and federalist agenda.

    Do they still hold the title of the nation's largest gun control organization?

    Something tells me that they are actually third largest....

    Behind the Democrat Party.

    and the Republican Party.

  28. #324
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    “asked for a supervisor’s permission”.
    “lost momentum”.

    Yep.



    My understanding of the police training is that everyone has a responsibility to take action. Everyone is required to be a leader. Waiting is not on the list of options. CYA and “permission” are not part of the training. But human nature is far stronger than any training.
    When there is a real leader or two among the troops...

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Bodycam Footage Of The Hero Cops Who Took Down Nashville School Shooter

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  31. #327
    I'd been waiting for a chance to drop this off.

    Note that this fellow uses 4 shot, 3 or more killed as a definition of "mass shooting".

    https://twitter.com/NatCon2022/statu...40498165334017

    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  32. #328
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11



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  34. #329
    Jer. 11:18-20. "The Kingdom of God has come upon you." -- Matthew 12:28

  35. #330
    So apparently, "assault" rifles need to be banned because these cops were cowards - and just never you mind that:

    (1) a criminal willing to murder 19 children isn't going to give a damn about any such ban in the first place, and
    (2) cowards are not going to stop being cowards just because a criminal is armed with a banned "assault" rifle instead of a legal one.

    https://twitter.com/CalltoActivism/s...48130934591494
    Brand new Uvalde law enforcement body camera footage shows officers vomiting and sobbing outside after they entered the classroom.

    After a months long investigation into why police hesitated during the Uvalde school shooting, the answer is the police were afraid to confront the killer’s AR-15.

    This raises a very important question, if police are too afraid to confront an AR-15 where does that lead the rest of us?

    Nearly 400 law enforcement officers were implicated in the poor response that left 19 children dead.

    It’s time to ban assault rifles.

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