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    Canada is euthanizing the poor and others

    Oh Canada...wtf.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...sing-the-poor-

    Since last year, Canadian law, in all its majesty, has allowed both the rich as well as the poor to kill themselves if they are too poor to continue living with dignity. In fact, the ever-generous Canadian state will even pay for their deaths. What it will not do is spend money to allow them to live instead of killing themselves.

    As with most slippery slopes, it all began with a strongly worded denial that it exists. In 2015, the Supreme Court of Canada reversed 22 years of its own jurisprudence by striking down the country’s ban on assisted suicide as unconstitutional, blithely dismissing fears that the ruling would ‘initiate a descent down a slippery slope into homicide’ against the vulnerable as founded on ‘anecdotal examples’. The next year, Parliament duly enacted legislation allowing euthanasia, but only for those who suffer from a terminal illness whose natural death was ‘reasonably foreseeable’.

    It only took five years for the proverbial slope to come into view, when the Canadian parliament enacted Bill C-7, a sweeping euthanasia law which repealed the ‘reasonably foreseeable’ requirement – and the requirement that the condition should be ‘terminal’. Now, as long as someone is suffering from an illness or disability which ‘cannot be relieved under conditions that you consider acceptable’, they can take advantage of what is now known euphemistically as ‘medical assistance in dying’ (MAID for short) for free.

    Soon enough, Canadians from across the country discovered that although they would otherwise prefer to live, they were too poor to improve their conditions to a degree which was acceptable.

    Not coincidentally, Canada has some of the lowest social care spending of any industrialised country, palliative care is only accessible to a minority, and waiting times in the public healthcare sector can be unbearable, to the point where the same Supreme Court which legalised euthanasia declared those waiting times to be a violation of the right to life back in 2005.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!



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    Yeah, so I have no problem with this.

    I mean, I don't like that taxpayers are funding this, but the cost is lower than supporting people. As long as the decision is voluntary, I'm not sure why else this would be an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    As long as the decision is voluntary, I'm not sure why else this would be an issue.
    Well, there you are. Government always starts out making things voluntary. But all too soon, it always proves that coersion is at the heart of everything it does.

    The problem with giving government an inch is it grants itself authority to take a mile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Yeah, so I have no problem with this.
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    Lots of forms of euthanization going around lately. Makes me wonder if theres a common goal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    Oh Canada...wtf.
    Inspired by California..

    Legalized Infanticide
    Forced Sterilization
    Eugenic Culling
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
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    Yes, see when you "voluntarily" choose to suicided yourself you will relinquish your remains to the state which will be processed at a human rendering plant for either food (if your lean enough) or could possibly sent to the Bio-fuel generator side and create electricity for the CBDC that the living will be obligated and subverted to serve. This way, your corpse keeps giving to the state in the form of electrons that they use to track people and manipulate the population. It's a win-win-win.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    Socialism is hard when you have too many people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ammodotcom View Post
    Socialism is hard when you have too many people.
    Too many of the wrong people.
    Canada is importing millions of 3rd worlders as fast as it can to replace the "wrong" Canadians it doesn't want.
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    Why is Canada euthanising the poor?

    Why is Canada euthanising the poor?

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...sing-the-poor-

    30 April 2022, 4:00am

    There is an endlessly repeated witticism by the poet Anatole France that ‘the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.’ What France certainly did not foresee is that an entire country – and an ostentatiously progressive one at that – has decided to take his sarcasm at face value and to its natural conclusion.

    Since last year, Canadian law, in all its majesty, has allowed both the rich as well as the poor to kill themselves if they are too poor to continue living with dignity. In fact, the ever-generous Canadian state will even pay for their deaths. What it will not do is spend money to allow them to live instead of killing themselves.

    As with most slippery slopes, it all began with a strongly worded denial that it exists. In 2015, the Supreme Court of Canada reversed 22 years of its own jurisprudence by striking down the country’s ban on assisted suicide as unconstitutional, blithely dismissing fears that the ruling would ‘initiate a descent down a slippery slope into homicide’ against the vulnerable as founded on ‘anecdotal examples’. The next year, Parliament duly enacted legislation allowing euthanasia, but only for those who suffer from a terminal illness whose natural death was ‘reasonably foreseeable’.

    It only took five years for the proverbial slope to come into view, when the Canadian parliament enacted Bill C-7, a sweeping euthanasia law which repealed the ‘reasonably foreseeable’ requirement – and the requirement that the condition should be ‘terminal’. Now, as long as someone is suffering from an illness or disability which ‘cannot be relieved under conditions that you consider acceptable’, they can take advantage of what is now known euphemistically as ‘medical assistance in dying’ (MAID for short) for free.

    Soon enough, Canadians from across the country discovered that although they would otherwise prefer to live, they were too poor to improve their conditions to a degree which was acceptable.

    Not coincidentally, Canada has some of the lowest social care spending of any industrialised country, palliative care is only accessible to a minority, and waiting times in the public healthcare sector can be unbearable, to the point where the same Supreme Court which legalised euthanasia declared those waiting times to be a violation of the right to life back in 2005.

    Many in the healthcare sector came to the same conclusion. Even before Bill C-7 was enacted, reports of abuse were rife. A man with a neurodegenerative disease testified to Parliament that nurses and a medical ethicist at a hospital tried to coerce him into killing himself by threatening to bankrupt him with extra costs or by kicking him out of the hospital, and by withholding water from him for 20 days. Virtually every disability rights group in the country opposed the new law. To no effect: for once, the government found it convenient to ignore these otherwise impeccably progressive groups.

    Since then, things have only gotten worse. A woman in Ontario was forced into euthanasia because her housing benefits did not allow her to get better housing which didn’t aggravate her crippling allergies. Another disabled woman applied to die because she ‘simply cannot afford to keep on living’. Another sought euthanasia because Covid-related debt left her unable to pay for the treatment which kept her chronic pain bearable – under the present government, disabled Canadians got $600 in additional financial assistance during Covid; university students got $5,000.

    When the family of a 35-year-old disabled man who resorted to euthanasia arrived at the care home where he lived, they encountered ‘urine on the floor… spots where there was feces on the floor… spots where your feet were just sticking. Like, if you stood at his bedside and when you went to walk away, your foot was literally stuck.’ According to the Canadian government, the assisted suicide law is about ‘prioritis[ing] the individual autonomy of Canadians’; one may wonder how much autonomy a disabled man lying in his own filth had in weighing death over life.

    Despite the Canadian government’s insistence that assisted suicide is all about individual autonomy, it has also kept an eye on its fiscal advantages. Even before Bill C-7 entered into force, the country’s Parliamentary Budget Officer published a report about the cost savings it would create: whereas the old MAID regime saved $86.9 million per year – a ‘net cost reduction’, in the sterile words of the report – Bill C-7 would create additional net savings of $62 million per year. Healthcare, particular for those suffering from chronic conditions, is expensive; but assisted suicide only costs the taxpayer $2,327 per ‘case’. And, of course, those who have to rely wholly on government-provided Medicare pose a far greater burden on the exchequer than those who have savings or private insurance.

    And yet Canada’s lavishly subsidised media, with some honourable exceptions, has expressed remarkably little curiosity about the open social murder of citizens in one of the world’s wealthiest countries. Perhaps, like many doctors, journalists are afraid of being accused of being ‘unprogressive’ for questioning the new culture of death, a fatal accusation in polite circles. Canada’s public broadcaster, which in 2020 reassured Canadians that there was ‘no link between poverty, choosing medically assisted death’, has had little to say about any of the subsequent developments.

    Next year, the floodgates will open even further when those suffering from mental illness – another disproportionately poor group – become eligible for assisted suicide, although enthusiastic doctors and nurses have already pre-empted the law. There is already talk of allowing ‘mature minors’ access to euthanasia too – just think of the lifetime savings. But remember, slippery slopes are always a fallacy.
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    CHEAPER THAN FEEDING THEM?
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
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    Underneath it all, "progressivism" is a utopian death cult - except at its apex, where it becomes a dystopian death cult (a.k.a. "communism").
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    Because Trudeau and the rest of the parasites within Canada's government hate them and want them to die.
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    I think I may veer away from the RPF consensus on this one...

    Don't get me wrong - I get the problem. Government-run healthcare putting a price on people's lives and encouraging them to commit suicide is just icky. And, at some point, once you make that calculation at a government level, it doesn't usually take very long before "encouragement" becomes "edict".

    But...

    Even in a purely free market, I think it's kind of noble to voluntarily end your existence if you're just being a burden to others. When I get to the point of not being able to provide value and end up consuming more than I can produce, I'd like to think I'd take the noble route. My plan is to just write a nice letter and wander off into the woods. Allowing people this option seems to me to be quite dignified. And yes, this will ultimately be a choice for poor people since the wealthy can needlessly prolong their lives with their accumulated wealth, but I also don't see a problem with that.

    This article says that people are "forced" to make this choice because they can't afford the alternative. But, um... That's not "force". "Force" would be requiring other people to take care of you for free when you can't do it yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Underneath it all, "progressivism" is a utopian death cult - except at its apex, where it becomes a dystopian death cult (a.k.a. "communism").
    fify
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
    The state's only purpose is to kill and control. Why do you worship it? - Sola_Fide

    Baptiste said.
    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Why is Canada euthanising the poor?

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...sing-the-poor-

    30 April 2022, 4:00am

    There is an endlessly repeated witticism by the poet Anatole France that ‘the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.’ What France certainly did not foresee is that an entire country – and an ostentatiously progressive one at that – has decided to take his sarcasm at face value and to its natural conclusion.

    Since last year, Canadian law, in all its majesty, has allowed both the rich as well as the poor to kill themselves if they are too poor to continue living with dignity. In fact, the ever-generous Canadian state will even pay for their deaths. What it will not do is spend money to allow them to live instead of killing themselves.

    As with most slippery slopes, it all began with a strongly worded denial that it exists. In 2015, the Supreme Court of Canada reversed 22 years of its own jurisprudence by striking down the country’s ban on assisted suicide as unconstitutional, blithely dismissing fears that the ruling would ‘initiate a descent down a slippery slope into homicide’ against the vulnerable as founded on ‘anecdotal examples’. The next year, Parliament duly enacted legislation allowing euthanasia, but only for those who suffer from a terminal illness whose natural death was ‘reasonably foreseeable’.

    It only took five years for the proverbial slope to come into view, when the Canadian parliament enacted Bill C-7, a sweeping euthanasia law which repealed the ‘reasonably foreseeable’ requirement – and the requirement that the condition should be ‘terminal’. Now, as long as someone is suffering from an illness or disability which ‘cannot be relieved under conditions that you consider acceptable’, they can take advantage of what is now known euphemistically as ‘medical assistance in dying’ (MAID for short) for free.

    Soon enough, Canadians from across the country discovered that although they would otherwise prefer to live, they were too poor to improve their conditions to a degree which was acceptable.

    Not coincidentally, Canada has some of the lowest social care spending of any industrialised country, palliative care is only accessible to a minority, and waiting times in the public healthcare sector can be unbearable, to the point where the same Supreme Court which legalised euthanasia declared those waiting times to be a violation of the right to life back in 2005.

    Many in the healthcare sector came to the same conclusion. Even before Bill C-7 was enacted, reports of abuse were rife. A man with a neurodegenerative disease testified to Parliament that nurses and a medical ethicist at a hospital tried to coerce him into killing himself by threatening to bankrupt him with extra costs or by kicking him out of the hospital, and by withholding water from him for 20 days. Virtually every disability rights group in the country opposed the new law. To no effect: for once, the government found it convenient to ignore these otherwise impeccably progressive groups.

    Since then, things have only gotten worse. A woman in Ontario was forced into euthanasia because her housing benefits did not allow her to get better housing which didn’t aggravate her crippling allergies. Another disabled woman applied to die because she ‘simply cannot afford to keep on living’. Another sought euthanasia because Covid-related debt left her unable to pay for the treatment which kept her chronic pain bearable – under the present government, disabled Canadians got $600 in additional financial assistance during Covid; university students got $5,000.

    When the family of a 35-year-old disabled man who resorted to euthanasia arrived at the care home where he lived, they encountered ‘urine on the floor… spots where there was feces on the floor… spots where your feet were just sticking. Like, if you stood at his bedside and when you went to walk away, your foot was literally stuck.’ According to the Canadian government, the assisted suicide law is about ‘prioritis[ing] the individual autonomy of Canadians’; one may wonder how much autonomy a disabled man lying in his own filth had in weighing death over life.

    Despite the Canadian government’s insistence that assisted suicide is all about individual autonomy, it has also kept an eye on its fiscal advantages. Even before Bill C-7 entered into force, the country’s Parliamentary Budget Officer published a report about the cost savings it would create: whereas the old MAID regime saved $86.9 million per year – a ‘net cost reduction’, in the sterile words of the report – Bill C-7 would create additional net savings of $62 million per year. Healthcare, particular for those suffering from chronic conditions, is expensive; but assisted suicide only costs the taxpayer $2,327 per ‘case’. And, of course, those who have to rely wholly on government-provided Medicare pose a far greater burden on the exchequer than those who have savings or private insurance.

    And yet Canada’s lavishly subsidised media, with some honourable exceptions, has expressed remarkably little curiosity about the open social murder of citizens in one of the world’s wealthiest countries. Perhaps, like many doctors, journalists are afraid of being accused of being ‘unprogressive’ for questioning the new culture of death, a fatal accusation in polite circles. Canada’s public broadcaster, which in 2020 reassured Canadians that there was ‘no link between poverty, choosing medically assisted death’, has had little to say about any of the subsequent developments.

    Next year, the floodgates will open even further when those suffering from mental illness – another disproportionately poor group – become eligible for assisted suicide, although enthusiastic doctors and nurses have already pre-empted the law. There is already talk of allowing ‘mature minors’ access to euthanasia too – just think of the lifetime savings. But remember, slippery slopes are always a fallacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    I think I may veer away from the RPF consensus on this one...

    Don't get me wrong - I get the problem. Government-run healthcare putting a price on people's lives and encouraging them to commit suicide is just icky. And, at some point, once you make that calculation at a government level, it doesn't usually take very long before "encouragement" becomes "edict".

    But...

    Even in a purely free market, I think it's kind of noble to voluntarily end your existence if you're just being a burden to others. When I get to the point of not being able to provide value and end up consuming more than I can produce, I'd like to think I'd take the noble route. My plan is to just write a nice letter and wander off into the woods. Allowing people this option seems to me to be quite dignified. And yes, this will ultimately be a choice for poor people since the wealthy can needlessly prolong their lives with their accumulated wealth, but I also don't see a problem with that.

    This article says that people are "forced" to make this choice because they can't afford the alternative. But, um... That's not "force". "Force" would be requiring other people to take care of you for free when you can't do it yourself.
    But that's the whole point of organizing into a society in the first place.

    So that those who are not the mightiest hunters or bravest warriors can excel and contribute and live as best they can.

    Marxists call their ideal society "progressive" yet I have no idea how they were able to hijack that term, as their's is the most regressive model of all, oppressed and dictated to by a ruling class of force, with death waiting at every turn, from before you are born to your last days as the apparatchiks eyeball who are the least productive and worthy of culling. You'd be better off living in a mud hut as hunter gatherers.

    It's no surprise that the very best principle in which to organize a society is one based on free markets and free individuals, nothing has brought more prosperity to more people to more places in the world than Western Christian Civilization.
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  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by jkr View Post
    CHEAPER THAN FEEDING THEM?
    Well that's the reason liberal California was forcibly sterilizing most black women.

    She was not alone — the California prison system forcibly sterilized 1,400 women inmates, most of them Black, between 1997 and 2003. It is not clear how many endured the same fate in the 11 years between 2003 and 2014, when Dillon and her attorney Cynthia Chandler worked to pass SB1135, a bill that bans forced sterilizations in prisons for birth control purposes.

    Court documents revealed that the prisons coded cases like Dillon's, as well as those of tubal ligation's after C-section births, as "medically necessary," and, as such, the state would pay for them. Another document showed Dr. James Heinrich, the OB/GYN who performed these sterilizations (including Dillon's), called them "cheaper than welfare."

    Forced sterilizations have been performed, uncovered, and stamped out in the US for decades, yet the practice endures and is still protected by a 1927 Supreme Court ruling.
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  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    I think I may veer away from the RPF consensus on this one...

    Don't get me wrong - I get the problem. Government-run healthcare putting a price on people's lives and encouraging them to commit suicide is just icky. And, at some point, once you make that calculation at a government level, it doesn't usually take very long before "encouragement" becomes "edict".

    But...

    Even in a purely free market, I think it's kind of noble to voluntarily end your existence if you're just being a burden to others. When I get to the point of not being able to provide value and end up consuming more than I can produce, I'd like to think I'd take the noble route. My plan is to just write a nice letter and wander off into the woods. Allowing people this option seems to me to be quite dignified. And yes, this will ultimately be a choice for poor people since the wealthy can needlessly prolong their lives with their accumulated wealth, but I also don't see a problem with that.

    This article says that people are "forced" to make this choice because they can't afford the alternative. But, um... That's not "force". "Force" would be requiring other people to take care of you for free when you can't do it yourself.
    I don't have a super strong opinion in any particular direction on these issues, but here is where I think I stand right now. If you want to kill yourself, there shouldn't be a law against that. If you are relying on a machine to keep you alive, and you don't want to be hooked up to the machine, then you can ask somebody to unplug it. However there are issues with this, like the state of mind of the person, etc... it's complicated.

    That's about as far as it goes. I think if you ask somebody else to actively kill you, where it is not simply a matter of "unplugging a machine", then I think that person should be charged with murder. I suppose there could be some exceptions, again I don't have really strong views on it one way or another. It's complicated.

    As far as your thoughts on being a burden on society.. if you have contributed to society throughout your life, and in your old age become a burden on those around you because you are no longer "producing", I think that is a flawed way of thinking about it. If you have kids and a family, they probably want you to stick around. Hopefully you can be reliant on your savings, but if not it should be your goal to treat your family well so that they want you to stay around and will do extra work for you if they have to - extra work that you probably did for them when they were being raised.

    With age comes wisdom. You may not produce food or goods in your old age, but you can produce a service for your family and others by providing them with love, kindness and wisdom.
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  23. #20

    Canada one step closer to euthanizing infants.

    Quebec College of Physicians slammed for suggesting MAID for severely ill newborns

    https://nationalpost.com/news/quebec...y-ill-newborns

    'Canada cannot begin killing babies when doctors predict there is no hope for them. Predictions are far too often based on discriminatory assumptions about life with a disability'

    Author of the article:
    Catherine Lévesque
    Publishing date:
    Oct 11, 2022 • October 11, 2022

    OTTAWA — The Quebec College of Physicians is being slammed by advocacy groups for suggesting that it be legal to euthanize severely ill newborns.

    Dr. Louis Roy, from the Quebec College of Physicians, told the Commons’ Special Joint Committee of Medical Assistance in Dying (MAID) on Friday that his organization believes MAID can be appropriate for infants up to age one who are born with “severe malformations” and “grave and severe syndromes” for which their “prospective of survival is null, so to speak.”

    In a statement to the National Post, Inclusion Canada said it was “alarmed” by Roy’s recommendation that Canada “legalize euthanasia for infants with disabilities under the age of one.”

    “Most families of children born with disabilities are told from the start that their child will, in one way or another, not have a good quality of life,” said Krista Carr, Inclusion Canada’s executive vice president.
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    [...] MAID can be appropriate for infants up to age one who are born with “severe malformations” and “grave and severe syndromes” for which their “prospective of survival is null, so to speak.”
    So euthanasia "can be appropriate" for a child with such a prognosis at six months - but not for a child (perhaps the same child) with exactly the same prognosis at sixteen-months.

    Why?

    Why should it not also be considered "appropriate" up to age five (or ten, or twenty, etc.)?
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    • "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
      -- Government (p. 99)
    • "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
      -- Economic Sophisms - Second Series (p. 312)
    • "There are two principles that can never be reconciled - Liberty and Constraint."
      -- Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)

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  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    So euthanasia "can be appropriate" for a child with such a prognosis at six months - but not for a child (perhaps the same child) with exactly the same prognosis at sixteen-months.

    Why?

    Why should it not also be considered "appropriate" up to age five (or ten, or twenty, etc.)?
    Off the top of my head, I can think of at least a couple of reasons.

    Either advocates of this are:
    (1) members of a ghoulish death-cult who have no compunctions when it comes to infanticide, or
    (2) supporters of granting state-approved/licensed "professionals" the power to issue death warrants, starting for the very young and very old (in order to appeal to sympathy for helpless suffering, and to inure people to the idea), and then gradually expanding to encompass everyone - with "appropriate" eventually morphing into "mandatory" (and all for the "common good", of course).

    But (1) and (2) really just reduce to the same thing.

  26. #23
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    They
    Self
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    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
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  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    (2) supporters of granting state-approved/licensed "professionals" the power to issue death warrants, starting for the very young and very old (in order to appeal to sympathy for helpless suffering, and to inure people to the idea)...
    ... and because they're least able to object.
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  29. #25
    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/...38070882635778

  30. #26
    If those infants end up receiving the covid vaccine they will be euthanized.
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    Calvin Coolidge

  31. #27
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    still doing my own.
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  32. #28
    Canada one step closer to euthanizing infants.
    Add "homeless" and "the poors" to the list ...

    "MAID [Medical Assistance In Dying] AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO POVERTY"

    https://twitter.com/shoe0nhead/statu...55898112643072


    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Off the top of my head, I can think of at least a couple of reasons.

    Either advocates of this are:
    (1) members of a ghoulish death-cult who have no compunctions when it comes to infanticide, or
    (2) supporters of granting state-approved/licensed "professionals" the power to issue death warrants, starting for the very young and very old (in order to appeal to sympathy for helpless suffering, and to inure people to the idea), and then gradually expanding to encompass everyone - with "appropriate" eventually morphing into "mandatory" (and all for the "common good", of course).

    But (1) and (2) really just reduce to the same thing.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Add "homeless" and "the poors" to the list ...

    "MAID [Medical Assistance In Dying] AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO POVERTY"

    https://twitter.com/shoe0nhead/statu...55898112643072
    Next step is to pay the poor, to kill themselves

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