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    Sarwark sent out a letter to LP bashing the Mises Caucus

    Labeled under Libertarian Defense Fund letterhead, signed by Sarwark. It basically says that the Mises Caucus is disrupting the party by engaging in conventions and not supporting leadership's choices. It's a very divisive letter and it honestly reminded me of the GOP's treatment of Paulites in 08 and 12 campaigns. I'll take pictures and post it if anyone @Occam's Banana wants to see it. You Mises Caucus folks are really pissing them off but I'm fine with that since Sarwark is a plant and he even slips in the SJW diversity and inclusion type buzzwords.
    Last edited by devil21; 03-29-2022 at 11:04 AM.
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    LMAO. Sarwark is a pathetic joke. After he vacated the national chair, he lost to NOTA - "none of the above" - when he ran for treasurer of one of the state parties (New Hampshire or Vermont, I think).

    https://twitter.com/ODonnell4NH/stat...46199838093315




    (Note that the Mises Caucus is succeeding precisely because they have outperformed the anti-Mises people on Steps 1 and 2.)

    Sarwark, beltway/"regime" libertarians, and the leftist/progressive/woke crowd are getting desperate. Even neutrals are becoming increasingly fed up with their high-handed gatekeeping shenanigans.

    And just to be clear about something: I am not a fan of the LP. Hell, I'm not even a member, and I don't have plans to become one. But I support and promote the Mises Caucus because, like it or not, the LP is one of the chief public faces of organized libertarianism.

    Whatever one thinks of the LP, it behooves everyone who gives a damn about liberty that the LP should embrace and embody the ideals and principles of the Ron Paul Revolution (as the Mises Caucus explicitly does), rather than pander to "woke" progressivism or indulge in beltway clout-chasing in an effort to become "respectable" to the establishment.

    Good riddance to bad rubbish!




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    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 03-29-2022 at 03:03 PM.

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    It basically says that the Mises Caucus is disrupting the party by engaging in conventions and not supporting leadership's choices.
    Wasn't that basically the intention of the Mises Caucus to begin with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Whatever one thinks of the LP, it behooves everyone who gives a damn about liberty that the LP should embrace and embody the ideals and principles of the Ron Paul Revolution (as the Mises Caucus explicitly does), rather than pander to "woke" progressivism or indulge in beltway clout-chasing in an effort to become "respectable" to the establishment.
    I suppose it would be nice for the Libertarian Party, to be you know, Libertarian.
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  6. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    I suppose it would be nice for the Libertarian Party, to be you know, Libertarian.
    Pfffft! Imagine that.

    (You must be some kind of "-ist" or "-phobe", I guess)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Pfffft! Imagine that.

    (You must be some kind of "-ist" or "-phobe", I guess)
    The Sarwark smears of the day are "white supremacist" and "Holocaust denier".

    https://twitter.com/nsarwark/status/1508911058165063684
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    What's a "progressive libertarian"?

    Nicholas Sarwark @nsarwark

    Progressive libertarian @TheoForARL is talking about potholes, transit, housing, and local police reforms in #ArlingtonVA and is now running for local elected office. He's VP of his neighborhood civic association and has been known around his community for years. (2/3)
    https://twitter.com/nsarwark/status/1508908739276988420
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    There's too much woke leftism in his Twitter feed to even quote.

    Apparently Sarwark is excited about Biden calling for regime change in Russia.

    He retweeted this, which was a response to one of his tweets praising Biden:

    https://twitter.com/karenhanretty/st...22019260878854

    The new NAP:

    "Libertarians for regime change!"
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    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The Sarwark smears of the day are "white supremacist" and "Holocaust denier".
    To be fair, those accusations (made by the person Sarwark quote-tweeted) look like they might actually be appropriate in that particular case.

    They also concern someone running as a Republican.

    And that reminds me of Sarwark's infamous assertion that libertarians should even vote for Hitler if Hitler was duly nominated as a Libertarian. So by his own previously-declared "logic", Sarwark would say that libertarians should actually vote for this "white supremacist Holocaust denier" as long as he was running on a Libertarian ticket.

    That's just how much of a mealy-mouthed, hypocritical clown Nicholas Sarwark is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    What's a "progressive libertarian"?
    Exactly.

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    https://twitter.com/scotthortonshow/...66020232110093
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    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  13. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Sarwark sent out a letter to LP bashing the Mises Caucus

    Labeled under Libertarian Defense Fund letterhead, signed by Sarwark. It basically says that the Mises Caucus is disrupting the party by engaging in conventions and not supporting leadership's choices. It's a very divisive letter and it honestly reminded me of the GOP's treatment of Paulites in 08 and 12 campaigns. I'll take pictures and post it if anyone @Occam's Banana wants to see it. You Mises Caucus folks are really pissing them off but I'm fine with that since Sarwark is a plant and he even slips in the SJW diversity and inclusion type buzzwords.
    And here it is in all its glory (taken from the tweet in B4L's previous post) - hidden to save space:

     






    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    It's a very divisive letter and it honestly reminded me of the GOP's treatment of Paulites in 08 and 12 campaigns.
    Your description is especially apt because that is exactly what is going on. One of the explicitly stated ambitions of the Mises Caucus is to make the Libertarian Party an institutional home for the Ron Paul Revolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    To be fair, those accusations (made by the person Sarwark quote-tweeted) look like they might actually be appropriate in that particular case.
    ...
    Except as you go through his feed, he is calling someone a racist, white nationalist or white supremacist on a daily basis. Seems to be an obsession of his.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Except as you go through his feed, he is calling someone a racist, white nationalist or white supremacist on a daily basis. Seems to be an obsession of his.
    Yeah, that's definitely part of his shtick (which is smarmy pandering to "woke" progressivism or beltway "respectability").

    It just happens to seem to fit in that particular case (quite possibly by accident).

    And in any case, it's deeply and ironically disingenuous, given his idiotic "I would vote for Hitler if he was a Libertarian Party nominee" bull$#@!.

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    CIAwark.
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  17. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Even neutrals are becoming increasingly fed up with their high-handed gatekeeping shenanigans.
    From the "Libertarian Defense Fund" letter (see post #11 above):

    Contrast the Mises approach with the Libertarian Party of Arkansas, a state affiliate that has not yet fallen into the clutches of the Mises Caucus. They're running a record 56 candidates up and down the ballot. The State convention was completely unified on running a slate of attractive, competent candidates for office.

    [T]here are two paths in front of us.

    One path embraces the libertarian values of respect, tolerance, and diversity. It brings people together to support candidates like Ricky Harrington in Arkansas [...]
    From the Libertarian Party of Arkansas:

  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    https://twitter.com/scotthortonshow/...66020232110093
    Interesting that the letter only went out to 4000 people. I guess I only had access to it because my housemate is chair of the county LP. He received it.

    eta: yes, physical letter delivered, not email.
    Last edited by devil21; 03-30-2022 at 01:31 PM.
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  20. #17
    Keep it up, soon they will have to infiltrate MC and they will have to pretend to be real libertarians.
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    Did Sarwark's email actually go out to an email list that belonged to the LP itself and with the LP's official permission?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Did Sarwark's email actually go out to an email list that belonged to the LP itself and with the LP's official permission?
    I think it was a physical letter, not an email.

    Regarding whether the mailing list belongs to the LP and was used with their permission:

    https://twitter.com/ODonnell4NH/stat...59995395809284
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 04-01-2022 at 02:05 PM.

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    It seems as though this is Sarwark's latest business venture. Not a bad scam, as this "defense fund" would appeal to all the usual deep pocket donors (beltway libertarians like Koch, neoconservatives, establishment operatives like Karl Rove, Democrats, etc).
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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  24. #21
    people like sarawack is why the libertarian party can not be relevant in the future. Been over for awhile.I wouldnt even read anything they send .Junk mail .
    Do something Danke

  25. #22
    Fwiw, I do recall Ron Paul saying that the anti-war left and libertarian right joining up would make a very powerful grassroots coalition, so I'd be somewhat lenient of a little bit of playing to the "anti-war left" in the interest of forwarding such a coalition. Seems there's no such thing as the anti-war wing of the left any more, though, and Sarwark, et al are just globalist lefties masquerading as libertarians.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Fwiw, I do recall Ron Paul saying that the anti-war left and libertarian right joining up would make a very powerful grassroots coalition, so I'd be somewhat lenient of a little bit of playing to the "anti-war left" in the interest of forwarding such a coalition. Seems there's no such thing as the anti-war wing of the left any more, though, and Sarwark, et al are just globalist lefties masquerading as libertarians.
    That coalition (at least the ideas) now exists in the form of Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, Tucker Carlson, Tulsi Gabbard, Glenn Greenwald, Jimmy Dore, etc, and the many people who watch Tucker.

    Sarwark is in direct opposition to that coalition. He has more in common with neoconservatives.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    What's a "progressive libertarian"?



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  29. #25
    the Mises Caucus is "'not supporting leadership's choices"? sign me up! back in 2012 the LP leadership was the only party leadership that refused to inform their membership that broadcast legend Larry King would be moderating a debate that their own candidate, Gov. Gary Johnson, would be at!



    The other 3rd party leaderships that had candidates in attendance, (Green, Constitution, and Justice) were more than happy to spread word to their supporters, but the LP chair at the time (Carla Howell) told me that she did not want to give attention to other 3rd political parties, because she believed the LP was too big to debate anyone besides democrats and republicans - good luck with that I said! I ended up calling and emailing 50 state leaders to share the word to the LP membership about the debate, at least most of them were helpful!

    She was also promoting a board game back then that she thought was going to be huge in bringing people to the LP. In 2012. A board game.

    Carla is the kind of people Sarwark is tight with at the LP - people who are happy with being also ran losers, as long as they get their monthly paychecks.

    I truly hope the Mises Caucus runs them all out of town!

    We have big things in store @ https://freeandequal.org/ for 2024, and would be great to have a LP to work with that actually wants to be more than a protest vote!
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  30. #26
    Sarwark is a piece of $#@! and so was all of the other previous LP leadership.

    The MC has my support in spirit, but the LP is a big ass joke. I'm sorry, but it's true. We don't have much time left and the LP isn't in any position of power to do anything with the exception of maybe some local elections.

    I heard it put this way a year or so ago: there are 500,000+ electable positions in the U.S. The LP, as of 2021(?) had about 100 of those I think. Even if they 10X, TEN TIMES, that number over the next few years (years we don't really have anymore), they'd still be in less than 1% of all elected offices in the U.S.

    Think about that for a moment.

    I have gone back to thinking that the awful controlled opp GOP is our only choice. We were making some progress around 2012 and I think most of us gave up. We have a lot of common ground now (not completely, obviously) with the MAGA dorks and other GOPers, etc. who are simply on the "not on the leftist side" right now.
    I think we need to build coalitions within the GOP and work within those existing structures that are ready to take on and take down leftist forces within the Dem party.
    Welcome to the R3VOLUTION!

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Fwiw, I do recall Ron Paul saying that the anti-war left and libertarian right joining up would make a very powerful grassroots coalition, so I'd be somewhat lenient of a little bit of playing to the "anti-war left" in the interest of forwarding such a coalition. Seems there's no such thing as the anti-war wing of the left any more, though, and Sarwark, et al are just globalist lefties masquerading as libertarians.
    Yea, there is no more anti-war left. This Ukraine deal has shown us that. They're gone.
    Welcome to the R3VOLUTION!

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Okie RP fan View Post
    Yea, there is no more anti-war left. This Ukraine deal has shown us that. They're gone.
    I noticed they were at least all gone 13 yrs ago. when Obummer took office .
    Do something Danke



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