The Russia-Ukraine War

[Sammy]

Cenk Uygur is mentally ill.

[dannno]

The President of Ukraine is Jewish though.

Well Zionists funded and assisted Hitler too, so explain that.

Neo-nazis in Ukraine were funded by the west for the CIA coup in 2014. Petro Poroshenko was installed, I believe he is Christian. They later renamed some streets in Kiev to historical nazi collaborators who killed tens of thousands of Jews.

I think Zelensky was a little bit less controlled by the west, he appeared at least willing to work with Trump on investigating some of the corruption from the prior administration involving Hunter Biden. That may be one reason the US is not willing to go full force on this one and is relying on sanctions.

[James_Madison_Lives]

Good on him for not tolerating Neocon meddling and subversion. Now let's send troops to our Mexican border, where Biden is subverting elections by importing illegal voters.

[69360]

That is probably true. Earlier Putin said he was ready to sit down with Kiev for negotiations.

I believe it. Putin hasn't done anything outrageous yet despite what western media is reporting. I think Putin would end this if his stated goals were met through diplomacy.

[pcosmar]

The President of Ukraine is Jewish though.

Jewish Nazi

[Sammy]

Jewish Nazi

Reinhard heydrich (who was more Anti Jewish than Hitler) was part Jewish.

[sparebulb]

Petro Poroshenko was installed, I believe he is Christian.

i don't know if he is a practicing Christian, based on his behavior, but Wikislime told me that he is a diabetic.

[pcosmar]

[Brian4Liberty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzFXCwflb5M

[Suzu]

Here's another reason for Putin's "aggression":

https://www.opindia.com/2022/02/russ...n-coronavirus/

[wizardwatson]

I feel like Putin was referencing Ron Paul in his address this morning:

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/202...g-feb-24-2022/

Incidentally, US politicians, political scientists and journalists write and say that a veritable “empire of lies” has been created inside the United States in recent years. It is hard to disagree with this – it is really so. But one should not be modest about it: the United States is still a great country and a system-forming power. All its satellites not only humbly and obediently say yes to and parrot it at the slightest pretext but also imitate its behaviour and enthusiastically accept the rules it is offering them. Therefore, one can say with good reason and confidence that the whole so-called Western bloc formed by the United States in its own image and likeness is, in its entirety, the very same “empire of lies.” - Putin (secret fan of Ron Paul, lol)

Who else has said "empire of lies"? Am I missing something?

...wow

[Brian4Liberty]

I feel like Putin was referencing Ron Paul in his address this morning:

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/202...g-feb-24-2022/



Who else has said "empire of lies"? Am I missing something?

...wow

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - George Orwell

[kahless]

I feel like Putin was referencing Ron Paul in his address this morning:

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/202...g-feb-24-2022/

Who else has said "empire of lies"? Am I missing something?

...wow

LOL. I read the transcript this morning and wondered if he or whoever wrote it was familiar with Ron Paul using that phrase as well.

He also refers to the west's "low cultural standards" and when referencing his own people again mentions culture and values. Again, he is not wrong here.

This whole thing is like if China had overthrown the Canadian government, installed their puppet, talked of a military alliance with Canada, aligned with Canadian Nazi's and pushed Canada to change their social norms to accept Communism. At the same time China scolds the US for not accepting Communism as Canada lights up their skyscrapers with red Commie flags.

Not that I agree with it but the US in that instance would probably enter Canada to stop Chinese aggression and the risk of spreading their values.

[Brian4Liberty]

https://twitter.com/nickgillespie/st...36198937276416

[Anti Federalist]

https://twitter.com/nickgillespie/st...36198937276416

Why not, every other $#@! on the planet can waltz in whenever they feel like it.

[69360]

The difference between the actual text of Putin's speech and what western media and the US government is reporting is astonishing.

[vita3]

The difference between the actual text of Putin's speech and what western media and the US government is reporting is astonishing.

Par for the course.

[pcosmar]

Par for the course.

Shocking picture of Kiev after being Bombed by Russia.

Just kidding this is a peaceful protest in America.

[Anti Federalist]

You Can Thank Environmentalists for the Invasion of Ukraine

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...asion-ukraine/

JOHN NOLTE 24 Feb 2022

It is the West’s wacko environmentalists who handed Russian President Vladimir Putin the leverage and money to invade Crimea in 2014 and Ukraine this week.

Without these wackos, Putin would be just another gangster in charge of a crumbling country, and maybe one on the verge of a revolution to depose him.

But the facts are the facts are the facts, and the facts are these… Thanks to the West’s environmentalists, those smug greenies who are more concerned with carbon output than world peace, this gangster controls much of the energy going to the European Union (E.U.).

Per Statista, here are the countries most dependent on Russia for natural gas. The percentages tell us just how dependent:

North Macedonia (100 percent)
Finland (94 percent)
Bulgaria (74 percent)
Slovakia (70 percent)
Germany (49 percent)
Italy (46 percent)
Poland (40 percent)
France (24 percent).
It gets worse.

As of 2019, a full 27 percent of the European Union’s crude oil, 41 percent of its natural gas, and 47 percent of its solid fuel (mostly coal) come from Russia.

Why?

Well, it’s very simple. Russia is not stupid. Putin is not stupid. He drills and digs and fracks while Western countries pat themselves on the back for closing coal mines, refusing oil leases, and shuttering nuclear power plants. And in doing so, even at the expense of giving the gangster Putin leverage over them, these Western countries pat themselves on the back for decreasing their carbon footprints and going green…

Meanwhile, Putin is given control over the very thing that allows Western Civilization to remain Western Civilization: energy.

Without energy, we are back in the dark ages within a few months.

Ah, but our Western Wackos, our John Kerrys and Joe Bidens and Barack Obamas and Angela Merkels don’t want to get their hands dirty producing energy. Instead, they choose to take advice from a weird little girl who doesn’t go to school and import the energy from a gangster who is open about his expansionist ambition and who is not afraid to dirty his hands digging and drilling and fracking.

Sure, the E.U. and America claim they are “producing energy” by going green — solar and what not. And sure, the corrupt Western media and the wackos are very good at pretending the unicorn of green energy is real. But guess who’s not fooled by the unicorn of green energy? That would be Putin, who laughs as the E.U. hands him the energy switch that can turn the E.U. into a third-world country in a matter of months.

So the gangster Putin invades Ukraine and says, What are you going to do about it? Are you gonna attack me when I can shut off your economy? Sanctions! Sanctions!?

Don’t make me laugh!! You’re going to sanction me while I make trillions selling you all your energy?

Everything that has happened since Joe Biden allegedly won the 2020 election has told Putin to go right ahead and invade Ukraine.

On day one, Biden shut down the Keystone XL pipeline.
Biden greenlit Nord Stream 2, a Russian pipeline that will provide 55 billion cubic meters of natural gas to Europe every year.
Germany announces the closing of three of its six nuclear power plants just because the wackos demand it.
The E.U. closes a bunch of coal mines.

Imagine how thrilled Putin was when Germany shut down half of its working nuclear reactors? It’s okay, sweetheart; I can send you all the energy you need, said the Devil.

Imagine Putin’s glee, just six months ago, when Slow Joe’s answer to the Ukrainian president’s concerns over Nord Stream 2 was, I want a “new energy and climate dialogue to help Ukraine diversify its energy supplies while supporting our climate goals relating to global warming.”

What Ukraine accurately saw as a security issue, Joe saw through the prism of a weird little girl who refuses to attend school.

So instead of NATO countries, like America, using our vast natural resources and nuclear science to keep each other going, to keep NATO energy independent, we pretend we’re virtuous by shutting down our own pipelines (while approving Putin’s) and killing our own energy production while we import the same amount of energy from a gangster. And this reliance not only gives this gangster leverage over us; it awards him the trillions of dollars that keep him in power and fund his expansionism.

Yes, other things were a factor in this week’s invasion of Ukraine, most notably Biden’s obscene withdrawal from Afghanistan. But the bottom line is this… If NATO countries pursued energy independence, Putin would be just another tyrant overseeing a crumbling country. All the leverage would be ours, not his.

Thanks, Greta!

[Marenco]

The effects of U.S. sanctions on Russia:

[Anti Federalist]

Here Is the Full Text of Putin’s Speech This Morning, Feb 24, 2022

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/202...g-feb-24-2022/

February 24, 2022 | Categories: Guest Contributions | Tags: | Print This Article Print This Article
Here Is the Full Text of Putin’s Speech This Morning, Feb 24, 2022

Read it so that you understand the situation. You will not get a word of truth from the mouths of Western politicians and presstitutes.

President of Russia Vladimir Putin: Citizens of Russia, friends,

I consider it necessary today to speak again about the tragic events in Donbass and the key aspects of ensuring the security of Russia.

I will begin with what I said in my address on February 21, 2022. I spoke about our biggest concerns and worries, and about the fundamental threats which irresponsible Western politicians created for Russia consistently, rudely and unceremoniously from year to year. I am referring to the eastward expansion of NATO, which is moving its military infrastructure ever closer to the Russian border.

It is a fact that over the past 30 years we have been patiently trying to come to an agreement with the leading NATO countries regarding the principles of equal and indivisible security in Europe. In response to our proposals, we invariably faced either cynical deception and lies or attempts at pressure and blackmail, while the North Atlantic alliance continued to expand despite our protests and concerns. Its military machine is moving and, as I said, is approaching our very border.

Why is this happening? Where did this insolent manner of talking down from the height of their exceptionalism, infallibility and all-permissiveness come from? What is the explanation for this contemptuous and disdainful attitude to our interests and absolutely legitimate demands?

The answer is simple. Everything is clear and obvious. In the late 1980s, the Soviet Union grew weaker and subsequently broke apart. That experience should serve as a good lesson for us, because it has shown us that the paralysis of power and will is the first step towards complete degradation and oblivion. We lost confidence for only one moment, but it was enough to disrupt the balance of forces in the world.

As a result, the old treaties and agreements are no longer effective. Entreaties and requests do not help. Anything that does not suit the dominant state, the powers that be, is denounced as archaic, obsolete and useless. At the same time, everything it regards as useful is presented as the ultimate truth and forced on others regardless of the cost, abusively and by any means available. Those who refuse to comply are subjected to strong-arm tactics.

What I am saying now does not concerns only Russia, and Russia is not the only country that is worried about this. This has to do with the entire system of international relations, and sometimes even US allies. The collapse of the Soviet Union led to a redivision of the world, and the norms of international law that developed by that time – and the most important of them, the fundamental norms that were adopted following WWII and largely formalised its outcome – came in the way of those who declared themselves the winners of the Cold War.

Of course, practice, international relations and the rules regulating them had to take into account the changes that took place in the world and in the balance of forces. However, this should have been done professionally, smoothly, patiently, and with due regard and respect for the interests of all states and one’s own responsibility. Instead, we saw a state of euphoria created by the feeling of absolute superiority, a kind of modern absolutism, coupled with the low cultural standards and arrogance of those who formulated and pushed through decisions that suited only themselves. The situation took a different turn.

There are many examples of this. First a bloody military operation was waged against Belgrade, without the UN Security Council’s sanction but with combat aircraft and missiles used in the heart of Europe. The bombing of peaceful cities and vital infrastructure went on for several weeks. I have to recall these facts, because some Western colleagues prefer to forget them, and when we mentioned the event, they prefer to avoid speaking about international law, instead emphasising the circumstances which they interpret as they think necessary.

Then came the turn of Iraq, Libya and Syria. The illegal use of military power against Libya and the distortion of all the UN Security Council decisions on Libya ruined the state, created a huge seat of international terrorism, and pushed the country towards a humanitarian catastrophe, into the vortex of a civil war, which has continued there for years. The tragedy, which was created for hundreds of thousands and even millions of people not only in Libya but in the whole region, has led to a large-scale exodus from the Middle East and North Africa to Europe.

A similar fate was also prepared for Syria. The combat operations conducted by the Western coalition in that country without the Syrian government’s approval or UN Security Council’s sanction can only be defined as aggression and intervention.

But the example that stands apart from the above events is, of course, the invasion of Iraq without any legal grounds. They used the pretext of allegedly reliable information available in the United States about the presence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. To prove that allegation, the US Secretary of State held up a vial with white power, publicly, for the whole world to see, assuring the international community that it was a chemical warfare agent created in Iraq. It later turned out that all of that was a fake and a sham, and that Iraq did not have any chemical weapons. Incredible and shocking but true. We witnessed lies made at the highest state level and voiced from the high UN rostrum. As a result we see a tremendous loss in human life, damage, destruction, and a colossal upsurge of terrorism.

Overall, it appears that nearly everywhere, in many regions of the world where the United States brought its law and order, this created bloody, non-healing wounds and the curse of international terrorism and extremism. I have only mentioned the most glaring but far from only examples of disregard for international law.

This array includes promises not to expand NATO eastwards even by an inch. To reiterate: they have deceived us, or, to put it simply, they have played us. Sure, one often hears that politics is a dirty business. It could be, but it shouldn’t be as dirty as it is now, not to such an extent. This type of con-artist behaviour is contrary not only to the principles of international relations but also and above all to the generally accepted norms of morality and ethics. Where is justice and truth here? Just lies and hypocrisy all around.

Incidentally, US politicians, political scientists and journalists write and say that a veritable “empire of lies” has been created inside the United States in recent years. It is hard to disagree with this – it is really so. But one should not be modest about it: the United States is still a great country and a system-forming power. All its satellites not only humbly and obediently say yes to and parrot it at the slightest pretext but also imitate its behaviour and enthusiastically accept the rules it is offering them. Therefore, one can say with good reason and confidence that the whole so-called Western bloc formed by the United States in its own image and likeness is, in its entirety, the very same “empire of lies.”

As for our country, after the disintegration of the USSR, given the entire unprecedented openness of the new, modern Russia, its readiness to work honestly with the United States and other Western partners, and its practically unilateral disarmament, they immediately tried to put the final squeeze on us, finish us off, and utterly destroy us. This is how it was in the 1990s and the early 2000s, when the so-called collective West was actively supporting separatism and gangs of mercenaries in southern Russia. What victims, what losses we had to sustain and what trials we had to go through at that time before we broke the back of international terrorism in the Caucasus! We remember this and will never forget.

Properly speaking, the attempts to use us in their own interests never ceased until quite recently: they sought to destroy our traditional values and force on us their false values that would erode us, our people from within, the attitudes they have been aggressively imposing on their countries, attitudes that are directly leading to degradation and degeneration, because they are contrary to human nature. This is not going to happen. No one has ever succeeded in doing this, nor will they succeed now.

Despite all that, in December 2021, we made yet another attempt to reach agreement with the United States and its allies on the principles of European security and NATO’s non-expansion. Our efforts were in vain. The United States has not changed its position. It does not believe it necessary to agree with Russia on a matter that is critical for us. The United States is pursuing its own objectives, while neglecting our interests.

Of course, this situation begs a question: what next, what are we to expect? If history is any guide, we know that in 1940 and early 1941 the Soviet Union went to great lengths to prevent war or at least delay its outbreak. To this end, the USSR sought not to provoke the potential aggressor until the very end by refraining or postponing the most urgent and obvious preparations it had to make to defend itself from an imminent attack. When it finally acted, it was too late.

As a result, the country was not prepared to counter the invasion by Nazi Germany, which attacked our Motherland on June 22, 1941, without declaring war. The country stopped the enemy and went on to defeat it, but this came at a tremendous cost. The attempt to appease the aggressor ahead of the Great Patriotic War proved to be a mistake which came at a high cost for our people. In the first months after the hostilities broke out, we lost vast territories of strategic importance, as well as millions of lives. We will not make this mistake the second time. We have no right to do so.

Those who aspire to global dominance have publicly designated Russia as their enemy. They did so with impunity. Make no mistake, they had no reason to act this way. It is true that they have considerable financial, scientific, technological, and military capabilities. We are aware of this and have an objective view of the economic threats we have been hearing, just as our ability to counter this brash and never-ending blackmail. Let me reiterate that we have no illusions in this regard and are extremely realistic in our assessments.

As for military affairs, even after the dissolution of the USSR and losing a considerable part of its capabilities, today’s Russia remains one of the most powerful nuclear states. Moreover, it has a certain advantage in several cutting-edge weapons. In this context, there should be no doubt for anyone that any potential aggressor will face defeat and ominous consequences should it directly attack our country.

At the same time, technology, including in the defence sector, is changing rapidly. One day there is one leader, and tomorrow another, but a military presence in territories bordering on Russia, if we permit it to go ahead, will stay for decades to come or maybe forever, creating an ever mounting and totally unacceptable threat for Russia.

Even now, with NATO’s eastward expansion the situation for Russia has been becoming worse and more dangerous by the year. Moreover, these past days NATO leadership has been blunt in its statements that they need to accelerate and step up efforts to bring the alliance’s infrastructure closer to Russia’s borders. In other words, they have been toughening their position. We cannot stay idle and passively observe these developments. This would be an absolutely irresponsible thing to do for us.

Any further expansion of the North Atlantic alliance’s infrastructure or the ongoing efforts to gain a military foothold of the Ukrainian territory are unacceptable for us. Of course, the question is not about NATO itself. It merely serves as a tool of US foreign policy. The problem is that in territories adjacent to Russia, which I have to note is our historical land, a hostile “anti-Russia” is taking shape. Fully controlled from the outside, it is doing everything to attract NATO armed forces and obtain cutting-edge weapons.

For the United States and its allies, it is a policy of containing Russia, with obvious geopolitical dividends. For our country, it is a matter of life and death, a matter of our historical future as a nation. This is not an exaggeration; this is a fact. It is not only a very real threat to our interests but to the very existence of our state and to its sovereignty. It is the red line which we have spoken about on numerous occasions. They have crossed it.

This brings me to the situation in Donbass. We can see that the forces that staged the coup in Ukraine in 2014 have seized power, are keeping it with the help of ornamental election procedures and have abandoned the path of a peaceful conflict settlement. For eight years, for eight endless years we have been doing everything possible to settle the situation by peaceful political means. Everything was in vain.

As I said in my previous address, you cannot look without compassion at what is happening there. It became impossible to tolerate it. We had to stop that atrocity, that genocide of the millions of people who live there and who pinned their hopes on Russia, on all of us. It is their aspirations, the feelings and pain of these people that were the main motivating force behind our decision to recognise the independence of the Donbass people’s republics.

I would like to additionally emphasise the following. Focused on their own goals, the leading NATO countries are supporting the far-right nationalists and neo-Nazis in Ukraine, those who will never forgive the people of Crimea and Sevastopol for freely making a choice to reunite with Russia.

They will undoubtedly try to bring war to Crimea just as they have done in Donbass, to kill innocent people just as members of the punitive units of Ukrainian nationalists and Hitler’s accomplices did during the Great Patriotic War. They have also openly laid claim to several other Russian regions.

If we look at the sequence of events and the incoming reports, the showdown between Russia and these forces cannot be avoided. It is only a matter of time. They are getting ready and waiting for the right moment. Moreover, they went as far as aspire to acquire nuclear weapons. We will not let this happen.

I have already said that Russia accepted the new geopolitical reality after the dissolution of the USSR. We have been treating all new post-Soviet states with respect and will continue to act this way. We respect and will respect their sovereignty, as proven by the assistance we provided to Kazakhstan when it faced tragic events and a challenge in terms of its statehood and integrity. However, Russia cannot feel safe, develop, and exist while facing a permanent threat from the territory of today’s Ukraine.

Let me remind you that in 2000–2005 we used our military to push back against terrorists in the Caucasus and stood up for the integrity of our state. We preserved Russia. In 2014, we supported the people of Crimea and Sevastopol. In 2015, we used our Armed Forces to create a reliable shield that prevented terrorists from Syria from penetrating Russia. This was a matter of defending ourselves. We had no other choice.

The same is happening today. They did not leave us any other option for defending Russia and our people, other than the one we are forced to use today. In these circumstances, we have to take bold and immediate action. The people’s republics of Donbass have asked Russia for help.

In this context, in accordance with Article 51 (Chapter VII) of the UN Charter, with permission of Russia’s Federation Council, and in execution of the treaties of friendship and mutual assistance with the Donetsk People’s Republic and the Lugansk People’s Republic, ratified by the Federal Assembly on February 22, I made a decision to carry out a special military operation.

The purpose of this operation is to protect people who, for eight years now, have been facing humiliation and genocide perpetrated by the Kiev regime. To this end, we will seek to demilitarise and denazify Ukraine, as well as bring to trial those who perpetrated numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation.

It is not our plan to occupy the Ukrainian territory. We do not intend to impose anything on anyone by force. At the same time, we have been hearing an increasing number of statements coming from the West that there is no need any more to abide by the documents setting forth the outcomes of World War II, as signed by the totalitarian Soviet regime. How can we respond to that?

The outcomes of World War II and the sacrifices our people had to make to defeat Nazism are sacred. This does not contradict the high values of human rights and freedoms in the reality that emerged over the post-war decades. This does not mean that nations cannot enjoy the right to self-determination, which is enshrined in Article 1 of the UN Charter.

Let me remind you that the people living in territories which are part of today’s Ukraine were not asked how they want to build their lives when the USSR was created or after World War II. Freedom guides our policy, the freedom to choose independently our future and the future of our children. We believe that all the peoples living in today’s Ukraine, anyone who want to do this, must be able to enjoy this right to make a free choice.

In this context I would like to address the citizens of Ukraine. In 2014, Russia was obliged to protect the people of Crimea and Sevastopol from those who you yourself call “nats.” The people of Crimea and Sevastopol made their choice in favour of being with their historical homeland, Russia, and we supported their choice. As I said, we could not act otherwise.

The current events have nothing to do with a desire to infringe on the interests of Ukraine and the Ukrainian people. They are connected with the defending Russia from those who have taken Ukraine hostage and are trying to use it against our country and our people.

I reiterate: we are acting to defend ourselves from the threats created for us and from a worse peril than what is happening now. I am asking you, however hard this may be, to understand this and to work together with us so as to turn this tragic page as soon as possible and to move forward together, without allowing anyone to interfere in our affairs and our relations but developing them independently, so as to create favourable conditions for overcoming all these problems and to strengthen us from within as a single whole, despite the existence of state borders. I believe in this, in our common future.

I would also like to address the military personnel of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Comrade officers,

Your fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers did not fight the Nazi occupiers and did not defend our common Motherland to allow today’s neo-Nazis to seize power in Ukraine. You swore the oath of allegiance to the Ukrainian people and not to the junta, the people’s adversary which is plundering Ukraine and humiliating the Ukrainian people.

I urge you to refuse to carry out their criminal orders. I urge you to immediately lay down arms and go home. I will explain what this means: the military personnel of the Ukrainian army who do this will be able to freely leave the zone of hostilities and return to their families.

I want to emphasise again that all responsibility for the possible bloodshed will lie fully and wholly with the ruling Ukrainian regime.

I would now like to say something very important for those who may be tempted to interfere in these developments from the outside. No matter who tries to stand in our way or all the more so create threats for our country and our people, they must know that Russia will respond immediately, and the consequences will be such as you have never seen in your entire history. No matter how the events unfold, we are ready. All the necessary decisions in this regard have been taken. I hope that my words will be heard.

Citizens of Russia,

The culture and values, experience and traditions of our ancestors invariably provided a powerful underpinning for the wellbeing and the very existence of entire states and nations, their success and viability. Of course, this directly depends on the ability to quickly adapt to constant change, maintain social cohesion, and readiness to consolidate and summon all the available forces in order to move forward.

We always need to be strong, but this strength can take on different forms. The “empire of lies,” which I mentioned in the beginning of my speech, proceeds in its policy primarily from rough, direct force. This is when our saying on being “all brawn and no brains” applies.

We all know that having justice and truth on our side is what makes us truly strong. If this is the case, it would be hard to disagree with the fact that it is our strength and our readiness to fight that are the bedrock of independence and sovereignty and provide the necessary foundation for building a reliable future for your home, your family, and your Motherland.

Dear compatriots,

I am certain that devoted soldiers and officers of Russia’s Armed Forces will perform their duty with professionalism and courage. I have no doubt that the government institutions at all levels and specialists will work effectively to guarantee the stability of our economy, financial system and social wellbeing, and the same applies to corporate executives and the entire business community. I hope that all parliamentary parties and civil society take a consolidated, patriotic position.

At the end of the day, the future of Russia is in the hands of its multi-ethnic people, as has always been the case in our history. This means that the decisions that I made will be executed, that we will achieve the goals we have set, and reliably guarantee the security of our Motherland.

I believe in your support and the invincible force rooted in the love for our Fatherland.

[tod evans]

I hope this is shared far and wide.

Media will have no part in it.

[ClaytonB]

[Pauls' Revere]

Russian v. Nazi

None of our business.

Fascism v. Communism ... we've seen this before.

[Pauls' Revere]

Oh wait...


Further, Ukraine has become a legitimate opiate producer in its own right, cultivating approximately 3000 new hectares of illicit poppy fields annually.

[nobody's_hero]

1) It is (or should be) no concern of US/NATO

2) The unfortunate drawback to saying it's none of our business is that the only other narrative out there are the people banging the war drums to deafening volumes

For example. Every media outlet you see today is referring to this as an invasion because that paints a very negative picture vilifying Russia. The causes leading up to it are not being discussed, objectively. Of course, they would not want to. They never want to discuss causes. All they want is an excuse to get us involved.

I won't refer to it as an invasion. But it is war. And unlike the west, Russia seems to know that you don't pussy-foot around with it. The gloves are off and it looks as if they are striking swiftly and decisively to deliver a K.O. to Ukraine. Probably for the best that this war ends quickly (though who can say for certain how long it might actually last).

But an invasion? I'm doubtful that Putin has intentions of annexing Ukraine. But he does want to win this conflict.

I don't see it much different than the allies pushing through France after Normandy and continuing across the Rhine towards Berlin (no one ran around saying that we were invading Germany, except maybe the Germans). Or McArthur desiring to rout the North Koreans all the way to the Yalu River. You don't just draw a line somewhere and restrict yourself from crossing it when your intention is to destroy the enemy.

[I realize that sounds like an armchair warhawk. I'd rather it not have happened at all, but if it is to happen let it be done quickly]

[pcosmar]

Fascism v. Communism ... we've seen this before.

Russia is not communist,,and has not been for a long time..

[Occam's Banana]

Begins @ 4:45 (streamed on 24 February 2022 @ 12:20 pm EST)

LIVE: The War in Ukraine
Glenn Greenwald comments on recent developments
https://rumble.com/vvrd3t-the-war-in-ukraine.html

[nobody's_hero]

Russia is not communist,,and has not been for a long time..

It's amazing how many folks still think the Cold War is on.

[osan]

Ukraine Says Russia Has Launched a ‘Full-Scale’ Invasion
Ukrainian officials said there have been missile strikes in Kyiv, Russian Defense Ministry says it's not attacking cities
by Dave DeCamp - February 23, 2022

A couple things.

Firstly, one does not park his army on a neighbor’s border without intending to use that army. I was hoping that Putin was playing a psychological game with the world, with the United States certainly, with no intentions of running his tanks into Ukraine. That hope of course was naïve and we now see just how rotten Putin is. But we can also see that the Russian people are not entirely on board with this incursion into the territory of a neighboring sovereign state.

The invasion is fact. The question that remains is what Putin has in mind for LPR and DPR. It would be terribly naïve to believe that Russia will fully recognize the independence of those nations without expecting a quid pro quo. I would suspect that what Russia will seek in return is unquestioning fealty of LPR and DPR to the Kremlin. I would certainly also expect that the moment either LPR, DPR, or both moved to displease Moscow, Russian tanks will roll into those regions if even in fact they will have ever left.

Regardless of what Putin may claim otherwise, Russia has, at the very least, discounted the value of Ukrainian lives. Their actions during the Soviet period suggest a clear and glaring hatred of the Ukrainian people as witnessed through their actions in the 1920s and 1930s when they starved 6 million Ukrainians to death without so much has the least indication of any irritation of their consciences.