Young Americans for Liberty going woke & neocon?

[acptulsa]

How did they become the enemies of liberty?

Is this a psychological question? Or do you mean, what makes him think they are?

[Occam's Banana]

How did they become the enemies of liberty?

By adopting, defending, supporting, and implementing anti-liberty positions rather than pro-liberty ones.

They cannot have been "persuaded" by someone else into doing so despite their own presuppositions (and/or sensibilities, inclinations, temperament, self-interest, etc.), but only because of them.[1]

And the same is true of those who adopt, defend, support, and implement pro-liberty positions rather than anti-liberty ones.

The only person who can "persuade" you of anything is you. Everything else is just grist for the mill, to be ground as you see fit (if at all).



[1] Otherwise, who "persuaded" the "persuaders"? And who "persuaded" them? And who "persuaded" them? And so on ad infinitum ...

[Okie RP fan]

I actually think she has a point in her email. Messaging is important and the art of persuasion, you have to think about how other people interpret your messaging.

This is all great and fine and applies to... 2007. Or 2012. Or even 2016.

Not in 2022.

We're done with persuasion at this point. The war is being waged. If our spheres, such as YAL, are doing stuff like this, then they need to be cast away OR TAKEN BACK OVER BY OUR TYPES.

Liberty folks, by nature, don't like taking over things; we don't like force, etc. Unfortunately, that has led us all to being bent over the table and gagged and here we are.

It's time to get mean about this stuff.

[CaptUSA]

This is all great and fine and applies to... 2007. Or 2012. Or even 2016.

Not in 2022.

We're done with persuasion at this point. The war is being waged. If our spheres, such as YAL, are doing stuff like this, then they need to be cast away OR TAKEN BACK OVER BY OUR TYPES.

Liberty folks, by nature, don't like taking over things; we don't like force, etc. Unfortunately, that has led us all to being bent over the table and gagged and here we are.

It's time to get mean about this stuff.

I would argue that it's time to unify over principles rather than divide our ranks even further over messaging. The simple principle that the government has overreached and is clinging to this stolen power is unifying and has broad-based appeal. Let's stop taking shots at each other over how we're talking about things. Let them use their messaging technique and we can use ours. Hell, even Jimmy Dore, Bill Maher, and Russell Brand are helping the cause. I don't agree with any of them on their points of view, but they can speak to people who won't listen to us.

[Anti Globalist]

Rather disappointed. Hopefully the people that are pushing wokeness and neoconservatism will be pushed out of the organization.

[TheTexan]

I would argue that it's time to unify over principles rather than divide our ranks even further over messaging. The simple principle that the government has overreached and is clinging to this stolen power is unifying and has broad-based appeal. Let's stop taking shots at each other over how we're talking about things. Let them use their messaging technique and we can use ours. Hell, even Jimmy Dore, Bill Maher, and Russell Brand are helping the cause. I don't agree with any of them on their points of view, but they can speak to people who won't listen to us.

Unifying over principles is an absolute non-starter. Give me one time in history where people united over principles. It's probably 0.

Unifying over a common cause? That is more reasonable.

Unifying over a common enemy? This is historically most common.

But principles? Pretty much never.

We need to separate. And the only way that happens is if people get angry.

So let people get angry. Fuel their rage, on both sides.

Piss people off. And do not apologize for it.

[Brian4Liberty]

Unifying over principles is an absolute non-starter. Give me one time in history where people united over principles. It's probably 0.

Unifying over a common cause? That is more reasonable.

Unifying over a common enemy? This is historically most common.

But principles? Pretty much never.

We need to separate. And the only way that happens is if people get angry.

So let people get angry. Fuel their rage, on both sides.

Piss people off. And do not apologize for it.

CNN and the MSM for the past 20 years:

We need to separate division. And the only way that happens is if people get angry.

So let people get angry. Fuel their rage, on both sides.

[TheTexan]

CNN and the MSM for the past 20 years:

On that, I consider them an ally, as I am in complete agreement.

Keep in mind - that the more that this country is divided into two, the more united each side becomes.

Division builds unity.

[Brian4Liberty]

I would argue that it's time to unify over principles rather than divide our ranks even further over messaging. The simple principle that the government has overreached and is clinging to this stolen power is unifying and has broad-based appeal. Let's stop taking shots at each other over how we're talking about things. Let them use their messaging technique and we can use ours. Hell, even Jimmy Dore, Bill Maher, and Russell Brand are helping the cause. I don't agree with any of them on their points of view, but they can speak to people who won't listen to us.

In Lauren's memo about Massie's photo, she states that "given that we are in the business of advocating for the 2nd Amendment".

Not sure whether that sounds like commitment to a principle, or a business direction that could be changed at any time.

[Brian4Liberty]

On that, I consider them an ally, as I am in complete agreement.

Keep in mind - that the more that this country is divided into two, the more united each side becomes.

Division builds unity.

"Division builds unity."

"War is Peace".

[TheTexan]

"Division builds unity."

"War is Peace".

Laugh if you want, but it's true.

[acptulsa]

On that, I consider them an ally, as I am in complete agreement.

Keep in mind - that the more that this country is divided into two, the more united each side becomes.

Division builds unity.

Just don't build yourself an agenda and a worldview that divides you from fresh, new allies who just awoke to the reality of the situation.

[TheTexan]

Just don't build yourself an agenda and a worldview that divides you from fresh, new allies who just awoke to the reality of the situation.

I don't discriminate much in allies. The only thing I request in an ally is the willingness to separate and the balls to do it.

Lauren however has no balls. That does not make her an enemy, it just makes her an average weakling coward like the vast majority of America. Neither ally nor foe.

[familydog]

Liberty folks, by nature, don't like taking over things; we don't like force, etc. Unfortunately, that has led us all to being bent over the table and gagged and here we are.

This is why libertarianism as a political movement has and will continue to be an embarrassing failure.

[TheTexan]

This is why libertarianism as a political movement has and will continue to be an embarrassing failure.

I've accepted a long time ago that libertarianism as a political philosophy is dead in the water.

The best we can hope for is to separate/secede in an effort to keep government as local as possible, and in doing so, naturally limit the scope of government.

[oyarde]

How did they become the enemies of liberty?

People tend to disagree if it is mental illness or birth defect. Not sure it matters. Probably have about the same rehabilitation success ratio as child molesters and untreated heroin addicts.

[TheTexan]

People tend to disagree if it is mental illness or birth defect. Not sure it matters. Probably have about the same rehabilitation success ratio as child molesters and untreated heroin addicts.

I leave the rehabilitation efforts to people who give a $#@! about that.

None of my concern.

Same with the Leftists.

They can do as they wish.

So long as they leave me alone.

Which they have thus far proven incapable.

[nobody's_hero]

I would argue that it's time to unify over principles rather than divide our ranks even further over messaging. The simple principle that the government has overreached and is clinging to this stolen power is unifying and has broad-based appeal. Let's stop taking shots at each other over how we're talking about things. Let them use their messaging technique and we can use ours. Hell, even Jimmy Dore, Bill Maher, and Russell Brand are helping the cause. I don't agree with any of them on their points of view, but they can speak to people who won't listen to us.

If the leftists are going to rise up in America, they'd better do it before the eggs get cold and the breakfast is ruined. I have no issue with working with them (when *they* make their own choice) but I don't have the time or patience pull a stubborn mule, when the horse is saddled and ready to go.

H'yah!

[devil21]

In Lauren's memo about Massie's photo, she states that "given that we are in the business of advocating for the 2nd Amendment".

Not sure whether that sounds like commitment to a principle, or a business direction that could be changed at any time.

Not to mention that her comments completely missed the original reason that 2A was written. Self-defense perhaps in a sense, yes, but we all know why. Or is it for hunting and self defense, @TheTexan?

[TheTexan]

Not to mention that her comments completely missed the original reason that 2A was written. Self-defense perhaps in a sense, yes, but we all know why. Or is it for hunting and self defense, @TheTexan?

The courts have consistent re-affirmed that the 2A is primarily for hunting.

The justices often refer to it as the "deer rule". When considering whether a weapon is protected by the 2A or not, ask yourself: how many deer has it killed lately? how many people has it killed lately?

If a weapon has killed way more deer than people then it's protected by the 2A.

Many constitutional scholars believe that the word "bear" was a typo. It was intended to be "the right to deer arms shall not be infringed"

[Swordsmyth]

"Division builds unity."

"War is Peace".

He who would have peace must prepare for war.
Peace through superior firepower.

[Swordsmyth]

The courts have consistent re-affirmed that the 2A is primarily for hunting.

The justices often refer to it as the "deer rule". When considering whether a weapon is protected by the 2A or not, ask yourself: how many deer has it killed lately? how many people has it killed lately?

If a weapon has killed way more deer than people then it's protected by the 2A.

Many constitutional scholars believe that the word "bear" was a typo. It was intended to be "the right to deer arms shall not be infringed"

Or perhaps the court has erred and the test should be counting how many bears the weapon has killed.

[familydog]

I've accepted a long time ago that libertarianism as a political philosophy is dead in the water.

The best we can hope for is to separate/secede in an effort to keep government as local as possible, and in doing so, naturally limit the scope of government.

This is the only path forward. Perhaps libertarianism at the local and micro level is more viable. And that's a big perhaps.

[Okie RP fan]

This is why libertarianism as a political movement has and will continue to be an embarrassing failure.

BINGO.

I've accepted a long time ago that libertarianism as a political philosophy is dead in the water.

The best we can hope for is to separate/secede in an effort to keep government as local as possible, and in doing so, naturally limit the scope of government.

BINGO.

This is the only path forward. Perhaps libertarianism at the local and micro level is more viable. And that's a big perhaps.

Libertarianism's future is certainly not national. It'll never be at the highest office in the land. It hardly works at the federal level. I foresee true libertarian candidates never holding more than 5% of the House even in its best years. The Senate will be lucky if it has one candidate like Rand every 6 years.

If people want to be serious about it, then local and state is where to go. Even then, good luck. Like I said in another thread, the GOP outnumbers the LP more than 60:1 in my state. Dems outnumber the LP around 35:1. It'll take many years for the LP to get to respectable levels. Years we no longer have.

How many Dems and Reps are gonna be converted any time soon with everything that's going on? What power does the LP grant to right wing people who want to help curtail the tyranny of D.C. NOW? And most Dems are a lost cause at this point.


And you see some of the responses above saying "we shouldn't divide over something like messaging... we need unity..."
Yea, we did need unity. Let me ask everyone: at this point in time, do you want people who are willing to sacrifice principle and courage over some marketing decision because it might, MIGHT win over a handful of Dems on Twitter? Really? That's where we are? That's pathetic. Like I said above, if YAL if gonna be like this, take them back over or cast them away. We can't afford to have weak entities right now who will bend with the wind. They're the types that'll apologize to a leftist hoard for mistyping something. It seems to me they likely would have endorsed Jo as LP nominee because of her fantastic BLM "messaging."

"It'S sTrAtEgIc!"

Kumbaya is over, people have picked their sides. Quit dragging your feet and worrying about "messaging" on Twitter. Twitter!

And this is why getting libertarians to unify, as it was and as it remains, is like herding cats.

[Occam's Banana]

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Apple/iTunes: The No Gimmicks Podcast: TNGP Ep. 436: Reed Cooley on Apple Podcasts

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[CCTelander]

https://twitter.com/realTJRoberts/st...93512249536514

This is how you lose your rights and freedom. Repeatedly. Over and over again. For decades.

[Lifesoup]

He who would have peace must prepare for war.
Peace through superior firepower.

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/michaelmalice/st...56953865011200

"YOUR WELCOME" with Michael Malice #219: Dave Smith
Michael Malice (“YOUR WELCOME”) welcomes fan favorite, Dave Smith, back onto the show to discuss his recent appearance at Young Americans for Liberty, the victories of the Mises Caucus, and why no one hates Donald Trump more than he does.
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[Matt Collins]

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