WA - Gun ban moves forward in state senate

[Anti Federalist]

Washington State Democrats Push Ban on 51 Specific Firearms

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ific-firearms/

AWR HAWKINS 19 Jan 2022

Washington state Democrats are pushing legislation that will ban 51 specific firearms, including a secondary ban on rimfire rifles with a total length of less than 30 inches.

The legislation, SB 5217, is sponsored by state Sens. Patty Kuderer (D), Manka Dhinga (D), Marko Liias (D), Joe Ngyugen (D), Jamie Pedersen (D), Claire Wilson (D), and others.

The bill bans 51 specific guns and also contains an additional ban for any “semiautomatic, centerfire, or rimfire rifle that has an
overall length of less than 30 inches.”

If the “semiautomatic, centerfire, or rimfire rifle” is longer than 30 inches, it would still be banned if were the result of “a conversion kit, part, or combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.”

The bill also bans “copycat” weapons, which it defines as “a semiautomatic, centerfire firearm that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following”:

A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, unless the firearm is a pistol as defined in this section;

Thumbhole stock.

Folding or telescoping stock.

Forward pistol, vertical, angled, or other grip designed for use by the nonfiring hand to improve control during a high rate of fire.

Flash suppressor, flash guard, flash eliminator, flash hider, sound suppressor, silencer, or any item designed to reduce the visual or audio signature of the firearm.

Muzzle brake, recoil compensator, or any item designed to be affixed to the barrel to reduce recoil or muzzle rise.

Threaded barrel designed to attach a flash suppressor, sound suppressor, muzzle break, or similar item; or

Grenade launcher or flare launcher.

SB 5217 is only one of six gun controls currently being pushed by Washington state Democrats.

[TheTexan]

Sure, seems reasonable. Not unconstitutional at all.

[Anti Federalist]

For purposes of sections 2 and 3 of this act only, the following
terms have the following meanings:
(1) "Assault weapon" means:
(a) Any of the following specific firearms or a copycat weapon,
regardless of which company produced and manufactured the firearm:
(i) AK-47 in all forms;
(ii) AK-74 in all forms;
(iii) Algimec AGM-1 type semi-auto;
(iv) American Arms Spectre da Semiautomatic carbine;
(v) AR15, M16, or M4 in all forms;
(vi) AR 180 type semi-auto;
(vii) Argentine L.S.R. semi-auto;
(viii) Australian Automatic;
19 (ix) Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1 and 1927 Semi-Automatics;
(x) Barrett .50 cal light semi-auto;
(xi) Barrett .50 cal M87;
(xii) Barrett .50 cal M107A1;
(xiii) Barrett REC7
(xiv) Beretta AR70/S70 type semi-auto;
(xv) Bushmaster Carbon 15;
(xvi) Bushmaster ACR;
(xvii) Bushmaster XM-15;
(xviii) Bushmaster MOE;
(xix) Calico models M100 and M900;
(xx) CETME Sporter;
(xxi) CIS SR 88 type semi-auto;
(xxii) Colt CAR 15;
(xxiii) Daewoo K-1;
(xxiv) Daewoo K-2;
(xxv) Dragunov Semi-Auto;
(xxvi) Fabrique Nationale FAL in all forms;
(xxvii) Fabrique Nationale F2000;
(xxviii) Fabrique Nationale L1A1 Sporter;
(xxix) Fabrique Nationale M249S;
(xxx) Fabrique Nationale PS90;
(xxxi) Fabrique Nationale SCAR;
(xxxii) FAMAS .223 Semi-Auto;
(xxxiii) Galil;
(xxxiv) Heckler & Koch G3 in all forms;
(xxxv) Heckler & Koch HK-41/91;
(xxxvi) Heckler & Koch HK-43/93;
(xxxvii) Heckler & Koch HK94A2/3;
(xxxviii) Heckler & Koch MP-5 in all forms;
(xxxix) Heckler & Koch PSG-1;
(xl) Heckler & Koch SL8;
(xli) Heckler & Koch UMP;
(xlii) Manchester Arms Commando MK-45;
(xliii) Manchester Arm MK-9;
(xliv) SAR-4800;
(xlv) SIG AMT SG510 in all forms;
(xlvi) SIG SG550 in all forms;
(xlvii) SKS;
(xlviii) Spectre M4;37
(xlix) Springfield Armory BM-59;38
(l) Springfield Armory G3;39
(li) Springfield Armory SAR-8;40
p. 2 SB 5217
(lii) Springfield Armory SAR-48;
(liii) Springfield Armory SAR-3;
(liv) Springfield Armory M-21 Sniper;
(lv) Springfield Armory M1A;
(lvi) Smith & Wesson M&P
(lvii) Sterling Mk 1;
(lviii) Sterling Mk 6/7;
(lix) Steyr AUG;
(lx) TNW M230
(lxi) FAMAS F11; or
(lxii) Uzi 9mm carbine/rifle;
12 (b) A semiautomatic, centerfire, or rimfire rifle that has an
overall length of less than 30 inches; or13
14 (c) A conversion kit, part, or combination of parts, from which
15 an assault weapon can be assembled if those

[TheTexan]

For purposes of sections 2 and 3 of this act only, the following
terms have the following meanings:
(1) "Assault weapon" means:
(a) Any of the following specific firearms or a copycat weapon,
regardless of which company produced and manufactured the firearm:
(i) AK-47 in all forms;
(ii) AK-74 in all forms;
(iii) Algimec AGM-1 type semi-auto;
(iv) American Arms Spectre da Semiautomatic carbine;
(v) AR15, M16, or M4 in all forms;
(vi) AR 180 type semi-auto;
(vii) Argentine L.S.R. semi-auto;
(viii) Australian Automatic;
19 (ix) Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1 and 1927 Semi-Automatics;
(x) Barrett .50 cal light semi-auto;
(xi) Barrett .50 cal M87;
(xii) Barrett .50 cal M107A1;
(xiii) Barrett REC7
(xiv) Beretta AR70/S70 type semi-auto;
(xv) Bushmaster Carbon 15;
(xvi) Bushmaster ACR;
(xvii) Bushmaster XM-15;
(xviii) Bushmaster MOE;
(xix) Calico models M100 and M900;
(xx) CETME Sporter;
(xxi) CIS SR 88 type semi-auto;
(xxii) Colt CAR 15;
(xxiii) Daewoo K-1;
(xxiv) Daewoo K-2;
(xxv) Dragunov Semi-Auto;
(xxvi) Fabrique Nationale FAL in all forms;
(xxvii) Fabrique Nationale F2000;
(xxviii) Fabrique Nationale L1A1 Sporter;
(xxix) Fabrique Nationale M249S;
(xxx) Fabrique Nationale PS90;
(xxxi) Fabrique Nationale SCAR;
(xxxii) FAMAS .223 Semi-Auto;
(xxxiii) Galil;
(xxxiv) Heckler & Koch G3 in all forms;
(xxxv) Heckler & Koch HK-41/91;
(xxxvi) Heckler & Koch HK-43/93;
(xxxvii) Heckler & Koch HK94A2/3;
(xxxviii) Heckler & Koch MP-5 in all forms;
(xxxix) Heckler & Koch PSG-1;
(xl) Heckler & Koch SL8;
(xli) Heckler & Koch UMP;
(xlii) Manchester Arms Commando MK-45;
(xliii) Manchester Arm MK-9;
(xliv) SAR-4800;
(xlv) SIG AMT SG510 in all forms;
(xlvi) SIG SG550 in all forms;
(xlvii) SKS;
(xlviii) Spectre M4;37
(xlix) Springfield Armory BM-59;38
(l) Springfield Armory G3;39
(li) Springfield Armory SAR-8;40
p. 2 SB 5217
(lii) Springfield Armory SAR-48;
(liii) Springfield Armory SAR-3;
(liv) Springfield Armory M-21 Sniper;
(lv) Springfield Armory M1A;
(lvi) Smith & Wesson M&P
(lvii) Sterling Mk 1;
(lviii) Sterling Mk 6/7;
(lix) Steyr AUG;
(lx) TNW M230
(lxi) FAMAS F11; or
(lxii) Uzi 9mm carbine/rifle;
12 (b) A semiautomatic, centerfire, or rimfire rifle that has an
overall length of less than 30 inches; or13
14 (c) A conversion kit, part, or combination of parts, from which
15 an assault weapon can be assembled if those

Cool - so something like a SIG Rattler with a pistol brace would still be legal (would just need to permanently unthread the barrel)

[Anti Globalist]

Those who value their guns better leave that state.

[TheTexan]

The right to hunt deer with 1700's style weapons, shall not be infringed

[pcosmar]

Those who value their guns better leave that state.

or march on Olympia .. WITH THEM.

This will not fly. not here,,and certainly not now.

[Brian4Liberty]

Next up: "Guns which require bullets shall be prohibited."

[TheTexan]

51 Specific Firearms

I'll take this as a shopping list

[TheTexan]

Who came up with that list anyway? Seems totally random & arbitrary.

With that said

Calico M100 looks pretty cool

[familydog]

Section 24 of the Washington constitution clearly commands that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

[TheTexan]

Section 24 of the Washington constitution clearly commands that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

I'm pretty sure it has no chance of being passed.

But I also would not be surprised these days of being wrong on that.

[oyarde]

Are they leaving to join canada ?

[unknown]

I'm guessing the States' enforcers are exempt.

[pcosmar]

Section 24 of the Washington constitution clearly commands that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

I have been invited to the Capitol Steps on March 5,, at noon..

I think other people will be there

[ClaytonB]

For purposes of sections 2 and 3 of this act only, the following
terms have the following meanings:
(1) "Assault weapon" means:
(a) Any of the following specific firearms or a copycat weapon,
regardless of which company produced and manufactured the firearm:
(i) AK-47 in all forms;
(ii) AK-74 in all forms;
(iii) Algimec AGM-1 type semi-auto;
(iv) American Arms Spectre da Semiautomatic carbine;
(v) AR15, M16, or M4 in all forms;
(vi) AR 180 type semi-auto;
(vii) Argentine L.S.R. semi-auto;
(viii) Australian Automatic;
19 (ix) Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1 and 1927 Semi-Automatics;
(x) Barrett .50 cal light semi-auto;
(xi) Barrett .50 cal M87;
(xii) Barrett .50 cal M107A1;
(xiii) Barrett REC7
(xiv) Beretta AR70/S70 type semi-auto;
(xv) Bushmaster Carbon 15;
(xvi) Bushmaster ACR;
(xvii) Bushmaster XM-15;
(xviii) Bushmaster MOE;
(xix) Calico models M100 and M900;
(xx) CETME Sporter;
(xxi) CIS SR 88 type semi-auto;
(xxii) Colt CAR 15;
(xxiii) Daewoo K-1;
(xxiv) Daewoo K-2;
(xxv) Dragunov Semi-Auto;
(xxvi) Fabrique Nationale FAL in all forms;
(xxvii) Fabrique Nationale F2000;
(xxviii) Fabrique Nationale L1A1 Sporter;
(xxix) Fabrique Nationale M249S;
(xxx) Fabrique Nationale PS90;
(xxxi) Fabrique Nationale SCAR;
(xxxii) FAMAS .223 Semi-Auto;
(xxxiii) Galil;
(xxxiv) Heckler & Koch G3 in all forms;
(xxxv) Heckler & Koch HK-41/91;
(xxxvi) Heckler & Koch HK-43/93;
(xxxvii) Heckler & Koch HK94A2/3;
(xxxviii) Heckler & Koch MP-5 in all forms;
(xxxix) Heckler & Koch PSG-1;
(xl) Heckler & Koch SL8;
(xli) Heckler & Koch UMP;
(xlii) Manchester Arms Commando MK-45;
(xliii) Manchester Arm MK-9;
(xliv) SAR-4800;
(xlv) SIG AMT SG510 in all forms;
(xlvi) SIG SG550 in all forms;
(xlvii) SKS;
(xlviii) Spectre M4;37
(xlix) Springfield Armory BM-59;38
(l) Springfield Armory G3;39
(li) Springfield Armory SAR-8;40
p. 2 SB 5217
(lii) Springfield Armory SAR-48;
(liii) Springfield Armory SAR-3;
(liv) Springfield Armory M-21 Sniper;
(lv) Springfield Armory M1A;
(lvi) Smith & Wesson M&P
(lvii) Sterling Mk 1;
(lviii) Sterling Mk 6/7;
(lix) Steyr AUG;
(lx) TNW M230
(lxi) FAMAS F11; or
(lxii) Uzi 9mm carbine/rifle;
12 (b) A semiautomatic, centerfire, or rimfire rifle that has an
overall length of less than 30 inches; or13
14 (c) A conversion kit, part, or combination of parts, from which
15 an assault weapon can be assembled if those

Well, I'm glad that the M-134 mini-gun is not on the ban list... far more effective for suppressive fire than all of the weapons above, combined...

[pcosmar]

Locally


https://www.marchforourrights.org/?f...CEXqY4qcee8DCI

[jmdrake]

Next up: "Guns which require bullets shall be prohibited."

Then make one of these.

https://thehomegunsmith.com/CaselmanAPMG.shtml

[pcosmar]

Then make one of these.

https://thehomegunsmith.com/CaselmanAPMG.shtml

In Michigan a Daisy air Gun is a Felony. My 4th Felony is total Fiction,, but legal fiction.

End That.

[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/gunpolicy/status...31231870840836

[CCTelander]

https://twitter.com/gunpolicy/status...31231870840836

Wouldn't that be like ALL "gun ammunition"?

I'm suspecting abject ignorance on the part of whomever wrote that headline. Not unusual among the media. They seldom know anything factual about guns or the people who own them. Normally they just make $#@! up.

[Occam's Banana]

I'm suspecting abject ignorance on the part of whomever wrote that headline. Not unusual among the media. They seldom know anything factual about guns or the people who own them. Normally they just make $#@! up.

It doesn't matter whether it makes any sense. As long as it sounds vaguely ominous and frightening, it's all good.

You see, apparently, it's our responsibility to temper pro-gun messaging to cater to people who think "guns [are] VERY scary" ...

[CCTelander]

It doesn't matter whether it makes any sense. As long as it sounds vaguely ominous and frightening, it's all good.

You see, apparently, it's our responsibility to temper pro-gun messaging to cater to people who think "guns [are] VERY scary" ...

Well, here's my "temperred" message for them. In the immortal words of L. Neil Smith I wholeheartedly support and will defend "the unalienable individual, civil, Constitutional, and human right of every man, woman, and responsible child to obtain, own, and carry, openly or concealed, any weapon—rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything—any time, any place, without asking anyone's permission."

Think that's "temperred" enough for them?

[TheTexan]

Well, here's my "temperred" message for them. In the immortal words of L. Neil Smith I wholeheartedly support and will defend "the unalienable individual, civil, Constitutional, and human right of every man, woman, and responsible child to obtain, own, and carry, openly or concealed, any weapon—rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything—any time, any place, without asking anyone's permission."

Think that's "temperred" enough for them?

anything? What about a bomb that is specifically designed to maim a schoolbus full of small children?

[acptulsa]

anything? What about a bomb that is specifically designed to maim a schoolbus full of small children?

It only maims the bus?

If it only maims busses going toward the school, I like it!

[CCTelander]

anything? What about a bomb that is specifically designed to maim a schoolbus full of small children?

That's for deer. Or fishing.