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    Exclamation NYT Warns of ‘Right-Wing Threat’ to Democracy, Calls to ‘War-Game’ Insurgency

    Of course, the full article is behind a paywall at The Slimes, so I could not go through the whole thing.

    I reckon it's just another Marxist manifesto, the regular bilge calling for the extermination of white people and anybody to the right of Chairman Mao.

    But sometimes important planning or timeline notices get buried or released in these stories, especially when the authors are a couple of deep state defense dept. apparatchiks.



    NYT Warns of ‘Right-Wing Threat’ to Democracy, Calls to ‘War-Game’ Insurgency, Secession, Civil War

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ion-civil-war/

    JOSHUA KLEIN 14 Jan 2022

    The U.S. may be on the verge of collapse due to right-wing threats on democracy, according to a recent New York Times piece that called to intensify “war games” for scenarios concerning the 2024 presidential elections such as “insurrection, secession, insurgency and civil war” in order to avert “political decay” of the country.

    A Thursday New York Times essay, titled “We Need to Think the Unthinkable About Our Country,” begins by deeming the U.S. perhaps “even more alarmingly fractious and divided” one year after the January 6 Capitol riot.

    “Regrettably, the right has sustained its support for [former President] Donald Trump and continued its assault on American democratic norms,” it continues.


    The essay was penned by Jonathan Stevenson, a former National Security Council staffer in the Obama administration, and Steven Simon, a former staffer in the State Department and on the National Security Council in the Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Clinton, and Obama administrations.

    Speculating that the next presidential election “will almost inevitably be viciously (perhaps violently) contested,” the authors warn of a “politically existential” threat to the country due to right-wing preparations for a potential 2024 “power grab.”

    “Yet many Americans seem to be whistling past the graveyard of American democracy,” the essay cautions, as it laments the little effort dedicated to “think tanks, professional military institutions and universities to build and contemplate the dire scenarios that have become increasingly plausible.”

    Describing the worst-case scenario as one where the country falls apart “at the seams,” the authors then highlight how, in the past, “worst-case thinking kept the prospect of nuclear holocaust real and the need to avoid it urgent.”

    Though the essay admits since the Capitol riot, many have “recognized, ridiculed and lamented the state of our democracy,” it also claimed that, in terms of the coming presidential election, “systematic and dispassionate analysis of such possibilities has not widely emerged.”

    The authors also urged reviving the 2020 bipartisan Transition Integrity Project (TIP), which they claimed far-right groups “mobilized to dismiss” after deeming the group’s activities “leftist psychological warfare” and “a blueprint for a left-wing coup.”

    “That should not stop a reprise of the project’s efforts with respect to the 2024 election,” they write.

    TIP, which comprised over 100 leading experts and officials, mostly Democrats and anti-Trump Republicans, “war-gamed” potential outcomes of the 2020 elections, releasing a 22-page report in 2020, titled “Preventing a Disrupted Presidential Election and Transition.”

    The report concluded that anything less than a Biden-Harris landslide would spark catastrophe, including “violence in the streets” and a “constitutional impasse.”

    According to the report, even a “clear Trump win” was deemed possible only through “foreign interference and voter suppression” and would not be regarded as legitimate.

    The authors then warn of how some on the right pose a threat to the country’s political stability.

    “A right-wing minority — including many elected politicians — is now practicing a form of brinkmanship by threatening to unilaterally destroy American democracy, daring what they hope is a timid and somnolent majority to resist them,” it reads.

    Calling to “prepare our defenses for the worst,” the essay describes how “policy focus is now on pre-empting a right-wing steal in the next national election.”

    “War games, tabletop exercises, operations research, campaign analyses, conferences and seminars on the prospect of American political conflagration — including insurrection, secession, insurgency and civil war — should be proceeding at a higher tempo and intensity,” it states.

    The authors conclude by urging to “probe just how bad things could get precisely to ensure that they never do, and that America’s abject political decay is averted.”

    The essay comes as the left routinely describe conservatives as a domestic threat to democracy.
    "Truly, whoever can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire



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    Perhaps they fear a "Reset".
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    I think I've just been exposed to a lethal dose of irony poisoning:

    “A right-wing minority — including many elected politicians — is now practicing a form of brinkmanship by threatening to unilaterally destroy American democracy, daring what they hope is a timid and somnolent majority to resist them,” it reads.

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    Obviously setting the narrative for a massive electoral swing in 2024.

    If we get past 2022, we don't get past 2024.

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    American democracy was overrated anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    Obviously setting the narrative for a massive electoral swing in 2024.

    If we get past 2022, we don't get past 2024.
    Humans are resilient. It’s going to be a dystopian nightmare, but we will get past it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slave Mentality View Post
    Humans are resilient. It’s going to be a dystopian nightmare, but we will get past it.
    Agreed. I worded that poorly. I meant that "the country" doesn't get past 2024. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, but it's gonna be a bumpy ride to say the least.

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    Yes democracy will end in 2024. Also in 2028, 2032 and 2036.



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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Perhaps they fear a "Reset".
    A reset of our leaders heads would certainly be a good place to start.
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    Cool

    Well I oppose "Democracy" because it leads to Socialism.

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    I agree the ny times should come here to war game and get schooled at Oyardes School of the americas.
    Last edited by oyarde; 01-15-2022 at 07:11 PM.
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Yes democracy will end in 2024. Also in 2028, 2032 and 2036.
    The normalcy bias is strong with this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy View Post
    Well I oppose "Democracy" because it leads to Socialism.
    Of course, democracy is oppression of the minority by the majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Of course, democracy is oppression of the minority by the majority.
    Which means they're whining because we are a threat to our own oppression.

    Awwwww....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    ...
    Speculating that the next presidential election “will almost inevitably be viciously (perhaps violently) contested,” the authors warn of a “politically existential” threat to the country due to right-wing preparations for a potential 2024 “power grab.”
    ...
    It could be said that it is a common human trait to project. It is especially evident with the unhinged left, who constantly lash out accusing others of their own thoughts, misdeeds and crimes.

    Thus, it is no surprise that as the left engages in every unhanded tactic imaginable to permanently fix elections in their favor, they accuse others of “power grabs”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    American democracy was overrated anyway
    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy View Post
    Well I oppose "Democracy" because it leads to Socialism.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Of course, democracy is oppression of the minority by the majority.
    The greatest fault of our founders was not setting very high majority requirements for passing of legislation. Forget super majority. They should have set it at 80 percent to pass new legislation.

    As a society, it needs to be consensus, not the dictates of a bare majority. The push in Senate to eliminate 60% and filibuster requirements is direct evidence of their desire to subject and force things on a greater and greater proportion of society.

    Anything without an 80% or greater consensus should not be engaged in by government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    Obviously setting the narrative for a massive electoral swing fortification in 2024.
    Fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Yes democracy will end in 2024. Also in 2028, 2032 and 2036.
    The normalcy bias is strong with this one.
    It's like someone falling off a tall building and saying "so far, so good" as each floor is passed.

    I have no idea if U.S.federal "democracy" (however the hell one wants to define it [1]) will end in 2024, or 2028, or 2032, or 2036, or whenever.

    But it's going to end sometime. So why not one of those times?

    Buildings are not infinitely tall, and no form of any government lasts forever.



    [1] Presently, for example, many Democrats are quite literally asserting that supporting "democracy" means supporting everything the Democrat party wants, and opposing anything the Democrat party wants means opposing "democracy". Also - and not coincidentally - many one-party tyrannies have styled themselves as peoples' "democratic" republics.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 01-15-2022 at 02:13 PM.

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    What makes the US so special? Most everyone is fat, lazy, delusional, entitled. When put in world perspective the US is delusional. The poor in the US live in luxury when compared to most of the poor in the rest of the world. There will be a reckoning.
    The US has elected certifiably crazy individuals to lead the country.
    Last edited by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged; 01-15-2022 at 02:39 PM.

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    NYT Warns of ‘Right-Wing Threat’ to Democracy, Calls to ‘War-Game’ Insurgency
    The Soviets knew how to deal with right-wing threats to "democracy":

    https://twitter.com/CasuallyGreg/sta...78964781785096
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 01-15-2022 at 03:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Presently, for example, many Democrats are quite literally asserting that supporting "democracy" means supporting everything the Democrat party wants, and opposing anything the Democrat party wants means opposing "democracy".
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    "It's only democracy when my side is succeeding."

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    Agreed. I worded that poorly. I meant that "the country" doesn't get past 2024. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, but it's gonna be a bumpy ride to say the least.
    I catch your drift. I even think the country will be around well past 2024. It will be a literal gulag, but it will still exist with a government and eveything. A geat big oppressive, murderous, and corrupt bunch of psycos. Kind of like we have now, but without the pretty storefront.

    We are definetly on the verticle portion of the logarithmic bumpy curve, mang! I can't even keep up with the rate of change in crazy. It's not boring at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The greatest fault of our founders was not setting very high majority requirements for passing of legislation. Forget super majority. They should have set it at 80 percent to pass new legislation.

    As a society, it needs to be consensus, not the dictates of a bare majority. The push in Senate to eliminate 60% and filibuster requirements is direct evidence of their desire to subject and force things on a greater and greater proportion of society.

    Anything without an 80% or greater consensus should not be engaged in by government.
    I agree 100%.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The greatest fault of our founders was not setting very high majority requirements for passing of legislation. Forget super majority. They should have set it at 80 percent to pass new legislation.

    As a society, it needs to be consensus, not the dictates of a bare majority. The push in Senate to eliminate 60% and filibuster requirements is direct evidence of their desire to subject and force things on a greater and greater proportion of society.

    Anything without an 80% or greater consensus should not be engaged in by government.
    Very good.
    I might set the threshold a little lower but the general idea is correct.
    60-66% might be best for ordinary legislation, 75-80% for Constitutional Amendments.
    Simple budgetary measures with no other issues tacked on should probably be something like 55%

    The states could probably do with the current thresholds.
    (this all assumes a new start with a clean slate, as it is if we ever get in power we need to eliminate the filibuster to facilitate rapid repeals of many years worth of tyrannical laws)

    You have to remember that the enemy would be just as happy to collapse the system through an inability to get normal business done and then impose tyranny in the wake.
    That is what they tried to do with the Articles of Confederation followed by the Constitution without the BoR.
    It WAS true that the original government under the AoC was too weak and ineffectual and need to be improved, that is why the states and the people accepted the Constitution even though the Convention exceeded its authority, had the Anti Federalists not held out for the BoR we would be in MUCH worse trouble by now.
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    https://twitter.com/wrong_speak/stat...31977516736513


    Fixed:
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    The Soviets knew how to deal with right-wing any threats to "democracy" bad followers:

    https://twitter.com/CasuallyGreg/sta...78964781785096

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The greatest fault of our founders was not setting very high majority requirements for passing of legislation. Forget super majority. They should have set it at 80 percent to pass new legislation.

    As a society, it needs to be consensus, not the dictates of a bare majority. The push in Senate to eliminate 60% and filibuster requirements is direct evidence of their desire to subject and force things on a greater and greater proportion of society.

    Anything without an 80% or greater consensus should not be engaged in by government.
    It probably helped that at the time of the founders, only about a quarter of the population could vote, and the requirements to do so were pretty strict.
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    This is getting silly.
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    It started silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    "It's only democracy when my side is succeeding."

    https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/1483475784840921090

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Rhetorical question, but, what does this Marxist filth think democrazy is, but voting for who you want to represent you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Rhetorical question, but, what does this Marxist filth think democrazy is, but voting for who you want to represent you?
    You just described representative democracy, a republic. They know what democracy is, politician and protestor alike. It's mob rule, and they love it. When they have control of it.
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