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Thread: Supreme Court Will Hear Arguments on Biden Vaccine Mandate

  1. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Still nothing. Why even schedule the expedited hearing for right before enforcement starts and then do absolutely nothing? Were we just supposed to observe how clueless SCOTUS is and move on?
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    I've heard rumblings that they're expected to release some rulings on Thursday. Could a stay order be part of those?? I sure hope so, but they should have been writing that over the weekend. Roberts is worthless.
    It seems like they wanted it to go into effect before ruling. Cui bono?

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  3. #152
    Bump.

    Still no word?

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!



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  5. #153
    They said they would hear arguments. What more do you want? Don't expect a ruling.

  6. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    They said they would hear arguments. What more do you want? Don't expect a ruling.
    What more do I want?

    I have a pretty long list
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  7. #155
    I will predict that they will side with their employer. I hope that I am wrong.

  8. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by Slave Mentality View Post
    I will predict that they will side with their employer. I hope that I am wrong.
    Seems reasonable.

    Totally unreasonable of course. But reasonable.
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  9. #157
    The Therapeutic State

    https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2022...apeutic-state/

    By eric - January 13, 2022

    The Supreme Court – a simple majority of the nine members thereof – will shortly issue a decree regarding their affirmation or not of the federal government’s lawful authority under the Constitution to compel every man, woman and child in the country to submit under duress to the unwanted taking of therapeutic medicines (plural, since the power to coerce being sought does not end with one dose of these medicines but rather asserts open-ended power to coerce the taking, ongoing).

    Therapeutic in italics to emphasize the distinction between that and prophylactic – a very different thing. Very much as a “case,” medically speaking, is a different thing than the cases! the cases! breathily “reported” by the PR organs of the pharmaceutical cartels styled “the media.”

    Vaccines – as they have been defined until now – are prophylactic in that they prevent the vaccinated individual from getting or transmitting a given sickness. A person who has been vaccinated for, say, malaria cannot get – or give malaria.

    He has immunity.

    This was the basis for the Warp Speeded approval by the FDA (the federal adjunct of Pfizer, et al) of the “vaccines” the federal government asserts it has the lawful authority under the Constitution to compel every man, woman and child in the United States to submit to.

    In air-fingers quotes to emphasize the fact – now admitted to – that the “vaccines” under consideration by the Court do not immunize. They are not prophylactic. They are therapeutic.

    Temporarily so.

    They are like aspirin, which does not prevent you from getting a headache but can temporarily alleviate the symptoms of a headache. They are also something worse in that a headache is not transmissible while the sickness a “vaccinated” person can get can also be transmitted others . . . and it is a reasonable argument that a person who doesn’t feel sick – or not very, on account of his therapeutic “vaccination” – is probably more likely to transmit it than the person who feels sick enough (not having been “vaccinated”) to stay home.

    Interestingly, we don’t hear much all of a sudden about the “asymptomatic spread’ that was so rabidly asserted as a Major Danger before the “vaccines” were Warp Speeded into existence.

    Even more interesting is the fact that before there were “vaccines,” an “asymptomatic” person was far less likely to be a spreader of sickness since he was probably not sick.

    As opposed to the “vaccinated” person who doesn’t feel sick.

    But what’s about to be decided by the Court – meaning, what the Court will decide you’ll do, according to what they say – is whether the Constitution empowers the federal government, via the regulatory apparat (OSHA) to coerce every man, woman and child in this country to submit to the taking of therapeutic medicines.

    The implications of this are stupendous. They go far beyond the “vaccines” Warp Speeded into existence. If the Court finds that the Constitution endows the federal government with the power to compel every man, woman and child in the country to take a medicine that may make them feel better – or which (secondary argument presented by the lawyer-things arguing the federal government’s position) reduce the putative “burden” on the “health care system,” then very soon thereafter, Doctor’s Orders will become literally that.

    The range of such orders is essentially infinite – since almost anything can be therapeutic. It is good for you to eat more vegetables, for instance. There is a therapeutic benefit to regular exercise. How much (and what type” of foods will you be allowed to eat? Will you be compelled to take psych meds, if the doctor so orders?

    It might even be argued – it is almost certain to be argued – that birth control is therapeutic, whenever the government asserts that having children “burdens” the system.

    It will also almost certainly be asserted – if the Court affirms the principle of it – that government has the lawful authority under the Constitution to require that every man, woman and child in the country submit to some kind of app – or even a chip – that continuously monitors their health and transmits data regarding it, to the government or its designated corporate functionaries, for therapeutic purposes.

    To keep you “healthy” – just as government keeps you “safe.”

    Most people aren’t lawyers and even fewer think like lawyers. Those who do understand that in court, case law – precedent – is everything. Once a court decides that “x” is lawful then it is already decided that “y” – the elaboration of “x” is also lawful.

    Prior examples of this include the courts deciding that the Constitution – the Bill of Rights – does not protect people who haven’t committed any crime nor given the slightest reason to suspect they may have committed one from being compelled to halt their travel, at random checkpoints, present their “papers” and establish their innocence of the crime of “drunk” driving . . . because they are using the public right of way and because the government has a “compelling interest” that countermands the precisely stated prohibitions on the exercise of government power in the Bill of Rights.

    The court having decreed the “constitutionality” of that, it was inevitable the government would assert the lawful power to have its agents put their hands down your pants at airports and other “public” places.

    This is what’s up for deciding now: Your right to not take drugs – or do something – on the basis of government’s assertion that it is “good for you” . . .

    We’ll soon know whether we will henceforth be living in a therapeutic state. And whether the Constitution has any prophylactic powers against such a state of affairs.
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  10. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    It is good for you to eat more vegetables, for instance.
    Elena Kagan: *interest intensifies*

  11. #159

    COURT BLOCKS MANDATE!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/13/supr...-mandates.html

    The Supreme Court on Thursday blocked the Biden administration from enforcing its sweeping vaccine-or-test requirements for large private companies, but allowed similar requirements to stand for medical facilities that take Medicare or Medicaid payments.

    The rulings came three days after the Occupational Safety and Health Administration’s emergency measure started to take effect.

    That mandate required that workers at businesses with 100 or more employees must get vaccinated or submit a negative Covid test weekly to enter the workplace. It also required unvaccinated workers to wear masks indoors at work.

    “Although Congress has indisputably given OSHA the power to regulate occupational dangers, it has not given that agency the power to regulate public health more broadly,” the court wrote in an unsigned opinion.

    “Requiring the vaccination of 84 million Americans, selected simply because they work for employers with more than 100 employees, certainly falls in the latter category,” the court wrote.
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  12. #160
    They did allow the mandate for medical workers to proceed, however.
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  14. #161
    Looks to have followed the consensus opinion of OSHA mandate blocked but health care worker mandate upheld.

    Man, how many people feel really stupid for taking the shots out of pure fear of OSHA threats now?
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  15. #162
    Looks like a 6-3 ruling on the OSHA mandate...

    Not sure if it's a complete block or just upholding an earlier court stay. More to come.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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  16. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Looks to have followed the consensus opinion of OSHA mandate blocked but health care worker mandate upheld.

    Man, how many people feel really stupid for taking the shots out of pure fear of OSHA threats now?
    How many corporations feel stupid for spending so much time and money trying to gear up for these mandates?? What a waste.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  17. #164
    Looks like the medical worker ruling was 5-4 with Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Barrett dissenting. So Roberts and Kavanaugh joined the libs.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  18. #165
    Good quote

    Permitting OSHA to regulate the hazards of daily life—simply because most Americans have jobs and face those same risks while on the clock—would significantly expand OSHA’s regulatory authority without clear congressional authorization.
    But... It's just a temporary stay until the lower court can rule on the merits.

    OSHA’s COVID–19 Vaccination and Testing; Emergency Temporary Standard, 86 Fed. Reg. 61402, is stayed pending disposition of the applicants’ petitions for review in the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit and disposition of the applicants’ petitions for writs of certiorari, if such writs are timely sought. Should the petitions for writs of certiorari be denied, this order shall terminate automatically. In the event the petitions for writs of certiorari are granted, the order shall terminate upon the sending down of the judgment of this Court.
    Ruling found here.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  19. #166
    The decision process was probably like a Mafia meeting of the families. They sit down and all agree on the narrative. Probably isn't even about the Constitution but how to present their decision to the public and who is going to take what position.

  20. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    How many corporations feel stupid for spending so much time and money trying to gear up for these mandates?? What a waste.
    And then there are the people who got the schools shuttered again and lost their baby sitting because they all rushed to the testing center for their false positives.
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    We believe our lying eyes...

  21. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    How many corporations feel stupid for spending so much time and money trying to gear up for these mandates?? What a waste.
    That, and firing bunches people before anything was ever enforced. Shameful all around. Fear is a hell of a drug and the people pushing this stuff know that threats are just as effective as action (see:income taxation). Plato's cave comes to mind....
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  23. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    Probably isn't even about the Constitution
    It wasn't. The issue was whether the existing statutes authorized the administrative agencies to promulgate the regulations requiring vaccination. Nobody claimed the statutes were unconstitutional or that Congress couldn't enact a law explicitly requiring vaccinations.
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  24. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    It wasn't. The issue was whether the existing statutes authorized the administrative agencies to promulgate the regulations requiring vaccination. Nobody claimed the statutes were unconstitutional or that Congress couldn't enact a law explicitly requiring vaccinations.
    Uh yeah so the 10th doesn't allow any of that $#@! in the first place. There are occasionally cases where upholding something that is so blatantly contrary to the 10th that it can't be allowed to stand. The OSHA mandate case is one example of that. DC has no authority to force anything on an individual resident/entity of the 50 states without that individual/entity otherwise consenting in some way.
    Last edited by devil21; 01-13-2022 at 03:23 PM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  25. #171
    Health care workers should not tolerate this and protest or walk out.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

  26. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Health care workers should not tolerate this and protest or walk out.
    What's even more ironic is that in some states, they're allowing health care workers with active Covid cases to work because they are so short-handed. So, get it right... You need to be vaccinated to keep you from carrying the virus, but if you're carrying the virus and have been vaccinated, you're all good.

    Yeah, that makes sense
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  27. #173

  28. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    I was thinking exactly this. WHO THE $#@! DO THESE PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE? RISE THE $#@! UP.

  29. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    What's even more ironic is that in some states, they're allowing health care workers with active Covid cases to work because they are so short-handed. So, get it right... You need to be vaccinated to keep you from carrying the virus, but if you're carrying the virus and have been vaccinated, you're all good.

    Yeah, that makes sense
    Isn't it wonderful to finally get it?

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  32. #177
    What about for federal workers and contractors?

  33. #178
    Quote Originally Posted by sdsubball23 View Post
    What about for federal workers and contractors?
    Their ruling on health care workers pretty well seals all their fates.
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  34. #179
    Yes, the President isn't allowed to violate the constitution, only Congress can do that. Or the Supreme Court, but only if they feel like it
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  35. #180
    Nice ruling by the supremes

    Expect to see a lot of rebels in healthcare doing what’s best for themselves

    Tide is turning quickly back to common sense & pushing back on Pharma takeover.

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