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    Massie is freaking cool! Guy knows how to do it and he actually does it. I like him.

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    This photo is getting a lot of news coverage BTW; I guess some people are offended that he put out the pic too soon after a school shooting. I personally don't see anything wrong with it at all. What's funny is I posted a reddit link in the OP where people are discussing it and don't really seem to have a problem with it. If you compare that with the r/Libertarian sub though the comments are much more negative in the "libertarian" sub. That place has really turned into a joke the past few years.

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    wheres my card Tom???
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    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
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    At which point will Americans realize that creating an unaccountable institution that is able to pass its liability on to tax-payers is immoral and attracts sociopaths?

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    The deer on his property don't stand a chance.

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    Cry your liberal tears....


    Democratic U.S. Representative John Yarmuth, who chairs the U.S. House of Representatives Budget Committee, condemned his fellow Kentuckian's post.

    "I’m old enough to remember Republicans screaming that it was insensitive to try to protect people from gun violence after a tragedy," Yarmuth wrote on Twitter, apparently referring to calls for gun control laws.

    "I promise not everyone in Kentucky is an insensitive $#@!," he added.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-congres...025707888.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Do you think Thomas will tuck his tail between his legs and make a formal apology?



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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    Do you think Thomas will tuck his tail between his legs and make a formal apology?
    Not in the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Lol.

    That's good. But tending to overcomplicate things, I'd have said, there are six BARs, three in each wing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    Well there goes a good week's paycheck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Well there goes a good week's paycheck.
    Unfortunately, that’s what it’s come to. Ammo is so expensive, you don’t want to shoot too much anymore.

    This is what I see when they are firing that gun...

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    Massie is a $#@!ing legend and this just cements it even more.
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    Calvin Coolidge

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    LOL. An editor at "Reason" was triggered by this:

    https://twitter.com/billybinion/stat...84779624280064


    To which good ol' Spike Cohen replied:

    https://twitter.com/RealSpikeCohen/s...60493338161156


    (Spike is the only really good thing to come out of any Libertarian Party POTUS/VP ticket since Harry Browne.)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    “Scaramouche; from Italian Scaramuccia [skaraˈmuttʃa], literally "little skirmisher") is a stock clown character of the 16th-century commedia dell'arte (comic theatrical arts of Italian literature). The role combined characteristics of the Zanni (servant) and the Capitano (masked henchman), with some assortment of villainous traits. Usually attired in black Spanish dress and burlesquing a Don, he was often beaten by Harlequin for his boasting and cowardice.”
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
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    Quote Originally Posted by jct74 View Post
    This photo is getting a lot of news coverage BTW; I guess some people are offended that he put out the pic too soon after a school shooting
    Too soon after a school shooting that has all the approved "baddies" and is already being used as a political weapon.

    Had the Crumbley kid not done anything and Massie released that photo, the Marxists would not have said a word, since the only school shooting on recent radar was that black kid in Texas that did pretty much the same thing a few weeks prior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    “Scaramouche; from Italian Scaramuccia [skaraˈmuttʃa], literally "little skirmisher") is a stock clown character of the 16th-century commedia dell'arte (comic theatrical arts of Italian literature). The role combined characteristics of the Zanni (servant) and the Capitano (masked henchman), with some assortment of villainous traits. Usually attired in black Spanish dress and burlesquing a Don, he was often beaten by Harlequin for his boasting and cowardice.”
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    Aww, is Billy scared?

    No true libertarian would ever use the term "gun culture".

    Nothing is more important, as guns in the hands of citizens is the single greatest metric of the relationship of man and government.

    Just another soy boy fagggot, interested in "rights" only so far as smoking weed, buying doge coins and marrying his boyfriend is concerned.


    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    LOL. An editor at "Reason" was triggered by this:

    https://twitter.com/billybinion/stat...84779624280064


    To which good ol' Spike Cohen replied:

    https://twitter.com/RealSpikeCohen/s...60493338161156


    (Spike is the only really good thing to come out of any Libertarian Party POTUS/VP ticket since Harry Browne.)
    “It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

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    IIRC Massie lives not too far from the Knob Creek range where they held the last one of these, this year.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Aww, is Billy scared?

    No true libertarian would ever use the term "gun culture".

    Nothing is more important, as guns in the hands of citizens is the single greatest metric of the relationship of man and government.

    Just another soy boy fagggot, interested in "rights" only so far as smoking weed, buying doge coins and marrying his boyfriend is concerned.
    So, I'm going to say this knowing it may not be the most popular opinion...

    I think we need to be a little careful defining what "true libertarians" will say. We run the risk of pushing these people into the hands of the Marxist left. Based on his articles, this guy seems to be focused on the criminal justice farce of government. That's a good thing.

    To me, his dumbass Twitter comment is clearly centered in the urban/rural divide. Many people who grow up in the cities have been taught to fear guns - not just to respect them. When they hear shots in their neighborhood, they're not wondering who is practicing or if someone bagged a deer. They can very easily equate gun use to crime. From my perspective, this guy is suffering from the "fear culture" of the cities. But I can recognize that he's not viewing the world with the same perspective as I am. From his perspective, proper gun use (and gun display) is to protect people from their fears.

    Let's not fall into the trap that all true libertarians have to share the same perspective. It's never going to happen. What's worse is that we end up in a circular firing squad going after those who would support us instead of the true enemies. He started it by making a stupid statement about the rural perspective, but no need to cast him aside so quickly or turn him against us. It'd be better to educate him on how different environments create different viewpoints, but we all need the freedom to allow different viewpoints to exist. In other words, expanding the range of libertarian thought rather than reducing it.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    So, I'm going to say this knowing it may not be the most popular opinion...

    I think we need to be a little careful defining what "true libertarians" will say. We run the risk of pushing these people into the hands of the Marxist left. Based on his articles, this guy seems to be focused on the criminal justice farce of government. That's a good thing.

    To me, his dumbass Twitter comment is clearly centered in the urban/rural divide. Many people who grow up in the cities have been taught to fear guns - not just to respect them. When they hear shots in their neighborhood, they're not wondering who is practicing or if someone bagged a deer. They can very easily equate gun use to crime. From my perspective, this guy is suffering from the "fear culture" of the cities. But I can recognize that he's not viewing the world with the same perspective as I am. From his perspective, proper gun use (and gun display) is to protect people from their fears.

    Let's not fall into the trap that all true libertarians have to share the same perspective. It's never going to happen. What's worse is that we end up in a circular firing squad going after those who would support us instead of the true enemies. He started it by making a stupid statement about the rural perspective, but no need to cast him aside so quickly or turn him against us. It'd be better to educate him on how different environments create different viewpoints, but we all need the freedom to allow different viewpoints to exist. In other words, expanding the range of libertarian thought rather than reducing it.
    You've got a valid point, I'd be wiling to retract the personal slanders, but not the statement on what guns in the hands of citizens means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    IIRC Massie lives not too far from the Knob Creek range where they held the last one of these, this year.

    ... and the rockets red glare, and the bombs bursting in air....

    gave proof, through the night, that our flag was still there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    So, I'm going to say this knowing it may not be the most popular opinion...

    I think we need to be a little careful defining what "true libertarians" will say. We run the risk of pushing these people into the hands of the Marxist left. Based on his articles, this guy seems to be focused on the criminal justice farce of government. That's a good thing.

    To me, his dumbass Twitter comment is clearly centered in the urban/rural divide. Many people who grow up in the cities have been taught to fear guns - not just to respect them. When they hear shots in their neighborhood, they're not wondering who is practicing or if someone bagged a deer. They can very easily equate gun use to crime. From my perspective, this guy is suffering from the "fear culture" of the cities. But I can recognize that he's not viewing the world with the same perspective as I am. From his perspective, proper gun use (and gun display) is to protect people from their fears.

    Let's not fall into the trap that all true libertarians have to share the same perspective. It's never going to happen. What's worse is that we end up in a circular firing squad going after those who would support us instead of the true enemies. He started it by making a stupid statement about the rural perspective, but no need to cast him aside so quickly or turn him against us. It'd be better to educate him on how different environments create different viewpoints, but we all need the freedom to allow different viewpoints to exist. In other words, expanding the range of libertarian thought rather than reducing it.
    I don't really disagree with any of this. But I would note, however, that Binion himself injected the issue of libertarian "credentials" when he chose to frame his remarks with the preface, "I say this as a libertarian ...".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Nothing is more important, as guns in the hands of citizens is the single greatest metric of the relationship of man and government.
    And for that very reason, gun ownership is a light that should not be hidden under a bushel.

    The more "normalized" it is, the more effective it will be for the purpose AF identified.

    It should absolutely be normalized - and good for Massie for doing his bit as a prominent public figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    I don't really disagree with any of this. But I would note, however, that Binion himself injected the issue of libertarian "credentials" when he chose to frame his remarks with the preface, "I say this as a libertarian ...".
    Agreed. His statement was stupid. And narrow-mindedly focused on his own limited perspective. Especially, since Massie is taking a lot of heat for posting that. My preferred method is to deal with that through education instead of mockery. Those who hold libertarian views are so rare these days that I'm not fond of driving more wedges between us.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    And for that very reason, gun ownership is a light that should not be hidden under a bushel.

    The more "normalized" it is, the more effective it will be for the purpose AF identified.

    It should absolutely be normalized - and good for Massie for doing his bit as a prominent public figure.
    Just remember that it's a perspective thing. Here, I'll give you an example...

    Most libertarians agree that sex between consenting adults is none of the government's business. Even if someone is getting paid for it. But depending on our own perspective, some people may find it in bad taste for, say, a Las Vegas Congressperson to flaunt it by having whores draped over his arms. One could make the case that the more it is "normalized", the more effective it will be for liberty. But you could have others (who also support that right) that may not like it being portrayed at "cutesy".

    Both points of view can legitimately be held. It's one of the things that make liberty so great. Billy could learn that lesson, but so could all of us.
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

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