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Thread: Joe Biden Addresses High Gas Prices: Americans Can Save Money if They Buy Electric Cars

  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Speaking of which, check this out:
    "... a very strong ticket..."

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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    "... a very strong ticket..."

    As fine a pair of cock suckers as you'll ever see.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 12-02-2021 at 01:29 PM.
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    No $4,500 Electric Car For You!

    By eric - December 1, 2021

    If electric cars are so very necessary to prevent “climate change” – that imminently looming apocalypse – then why is the government that’s pushing them so hard refusing to allow the ones people could afford on the market?

    In China, one can buy various electric cars for less than $10,000 – just as one can buy useful not-electric little trucks like the $9,000 Zhengtu pick-up truck made by GM’s Chinese subsidiary, Wuling, that Americans aren’t allowed to buy . . . in America.

    How about an EV that costs about what three iPhones cost?

    That would be the $4,500 Wuling Hongguang Mini. Also made by GM’s Wuling Chinese subsidiary.

    It is the best-selling EV, in China – outselling Tesla, one of the government-mandated EVs Americans are allowed to buy. If they can afford to buy it. Which most Americans can’t because most Americans cannot even consider spending – financing – a car that will cost them close to $50,000 – plus interest.

    Tesla founder Elon Musk claims he’s developing an EV that will cost less than $30,000 but he also claims he’ll be space-touristing people to Mars and even if his promise regarding a $30k-ish EV ends up being fulfilled, $30k-ish is still at least $10,000 less affordable than a non-electric economy car such as a Toyota Corolla or Hyundai Accent and $25,000 less affordable than the Wuling and other Chinese-available EVs that are unavailable in America.

    But made by American corporations, such as GM.

    Consider that.

    Ask yourself . . . why is that?

    Here – well, over there – is an electric car practically anyone could afford. An EV many high school kids could afford to pay cash for. An EV that makes financial sense, an attribute no EV available in America can tout.

    The Wuling isn’t ludicrously fast, of course.

    Because it’s meant to be ludicrously easy to buy. So as to encourage as many people as possible – especially young people – to buy one. It’s small and light – just under 1,500 pounds. For that reason, it only needs a 17.4 horsepower electric motor powered by a 9.2-13.8 kilowatt-hour battery pack that weighs a fourth what a Tesla’s 1,000 pound battery pack does.

    A Tesla is designed for ludicrous speed, to make up for the fact that it isn’t affordable – its speed being responsible for that (and its absurd weight) in a ludicrous feedback loop that makes no sense unless the point of electric cars like the Tesla is to make sure most people cannot afford to drive one.

    Another factor driving that is the expectation that all EVs sold in America be capable of high speed, highway driving – which drives up the cost of the EVs available in America by at least doubling the size and capacity of the battery pack needed to make that possible . . . sort of.

    Even with 1,000-plus pounds of batteries, a Tesla can only go about as far as the gas-hoggiest non-electric cars, such as the Dodge Challenger Hellcat (also capable of ludicrous speed, just without the wait).

    One hogs gas – the other hogs energy.

    The little Wuling three-door hogs neither.

    Its not a highway car. It cannot go 150 miles down the highway at 70-plus MPH. The top speed of this little EV is 62 MPH and its maximum range is just over 106 miles on a charge. But that is plenty of speed – and range – for millions of Americans who might want a car they could just buy, without making payments.

    Which also recharges faster using less energy because there’s less to recharge.

    But it’s not “saaaaaaaaafe”!

    So emanates the squeal of apologia for the Wuling – and similar EVs available in China and other places – not being allowed here.

    What they mean is, it’s not compliant – with the litany of federally mandated rules and regulations pertaining to how a car must absorb impacts in a crash; that it must be fitted with air bags (which have recently proved to be very unsafe) and other such that may indeed lower the risk of being injured or killed . . . if the car is involved in an accident.

    It does not mean the car will be or is more likely to be involved in an accident.

    This is an important distinction. According to the rules and regulations currently applicable to all new cars, a circa 2005 Mercedes S-Class sedan is not “safe,” either. But a 2022 Toyota Corolla is.

    Which would you rather be inside of in the event of an accident?

    A new Tesla is also very “safe” – unless of course it catches fire. Which it is more likely to, on account of its 1,000-plus pounds of extremely high voltage batteries that must absorb 400-plus volts of electricity, to “fast” charge. It also has a tendency to have accidents, so it’s probably a good thing that it is “safe” – or rather, compliant.

    The little Wuling would not do as well in a crash as a new Tesla, but since Americans aren’t allowed to buy the Wuling, it hardly matters. Just as it hardly matters that a Tesla is “safe” – that is, compliant – since few Americans can afford it.

    If the American government – the bureaucrats and apparatchiks who are the government – were truly motivated by the “climate crisis” rather than using the “climate crisis,” they would open America to affordable, sensible little EVs like the Wuling.

    After all, it might “save the planet.”

    It appears that the Chinese government is more interested in getting its people behind the wheel – about half a million of them over the past 12 months – while this government wants them somewhere else.
    "Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid." - Valery Legasov

  6. #34
    They could change all the empty HOV lanes to accomodate the slower less safe EV's effectively freeing up wasted highway space and congestion.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    As fine a pair of $#@!s as you'll ever see.
    "Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid." - Valery Legasov

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    "... a very strong ticket..."

  9. #37
    Our electric company just informed us of a 40% price increase. Not so sure this will be cheaper...

  10. #38
    You Might be Shocked – and Soon Will Be

    eric -
    December 7, 2021

    Since the government is determined to force you to buy an electric car, it might be good to know what you’re in for.

    What they’re not telling you.

    Everyone has heard about the range/recharge problems. They’re significant – assuming you don’t consider having to curtail your driving according to where – and when – you can wait to recharge insignificant problems.

    Given that most of us don’t want to wait more than five minutes in a drive-thru line (and few of us would tolerate waiting 30-45 minutes to get our food at a drive-thru) it is certain most of us will not be happy about having to wait like that while our government-mandated EV recovers its capacity to move.

    But it’s actually much worse than that.

    That 30-45 minutes you have heard bandied about – the time you’ll wait for a “fast” charge – is only available where there are “fast” chargers.

    And where is that?

    It’s not at home.

    Private homes have residential electric service panels – and wiring. They are not wired to “fast” charge the 400-800 volt loads required for “fast” charging one electric car in 30-45 minutes. How about two?

    The house would have to be re-wired to make even one possible.

    And not just the house.

    The wiring from the street to the house. Probably also the wiring down the street – from the source of the electricity, which has to be “pumped” continuously from the generating source, which is probably very far away. That takes heavy-gauge cabling and other “infrastructure” – as the Biden Thing styles it. Especially if we’re talking about transmitting that kind of current to every house on the street – to entire neighborhoods – so that dozens (hundreds, thousands) of people can each “fast” charge an electric car at home.

    As opposed to someplace else.

    That would be the place where the “fast” charger is located. Which will be someplace down the road a piece. Probably at least five minutes away from wherever you live, which means adding at least that to your 30-45 minute “fast” charge. If it’s ten or fifteen minutes away, add that much more to your wait, which is now close to an hour’s wait . . . assuming you don’t have to wait in line for someone else to finish “fast” charging their electric car, ahead of you.

    It could be hours before you’re done “fast” charging.

    Then you can go home, again.

    Which will take another however-long-it-takes to get back there.

    But even if it’s only the 30-45 minutes (plus however long it took you to drive to the ‘fast” charger) you’ll still be waiting to charge at not home. What will you do while you wait? Read the magazines? Listen to the radio? Instead of being home, you’ll be at the plug – which is at a place you probably don’t want to be when you’d rather be home.

    When was the last time you spent half an hour at a gas station?

    Some people will be able to “fast” charge while at work, of course – commercial buildings and commercial areas being more likely to have the necessary infrastructure to “fast” charge – and in that case, you’ll be able to get home without having to wait, first.

    But it does tether you to work in a way you never were, before.

    You could recharge – not “fast” – at home. Assuming you have even more time. It will be several hours at the least to recover a partial charge using 240 volts (a dryer-stove type three-prong plug, which most residential home panels can handle) or overnight on standard 120 volt outlets of the type you use to plug in other electrically powered things.

    But at least you’ll be home. Though you won’t be able to leave for awhile.

    And you’ll have to add this plugging in (and unplugging) ritual to your daily list of things to do, too. These small chores eat up a lot of time when added up.

    Watch out for that cord.

    Wouldn’t want anyone to trip over it.

    There’s something else they haven’t told you that might be worth knowing about what you’re in for. It’s that the range touted by an EV is less than advertised. But not for the solely reasons you may have heard – such as use of electrically-powered accessories, such as the AC and heater. Its true that using them will cut down how far you can travel vs. how far they say you’ll be able to travel.

    You have also probably heard – and it’s true, too – that the faster you drive an EV, the less far the EV will go. Which is equally true, of course, for a non-electric car but with the difference being the gas-hoggiest car be hammered full-throttle from stoplight to stoplight and still only takes five minutes to refuel vs. the 30-45 minutes it takes an EV to “fast” charge . . . assuming you can find one.

    And that brings us to what they’re not telling you.

    Or rather, explaining to you.

    An EV’s real-world range is less than its advertised range – because it takes so long to recover its charge.

    A car with a gas engine can be driven to the last drop of its range without sweating the time – or the place.

    If it has a range on a full tank of say 400 miles – as is common and about twice the range of most EVs – you can drive right up to 400 miles, roll into any gas station on fumes – and be back rolling again, five minutes later.

    If you have an electric car that advertises a 200 mile range on a full charge, it’s actually less than that because you can’t drive it the full 200 miles without incurring the time (and inconvenience) penalty. Realistically, you need to keep the electric equivalent of at least an eighth of a “tank” in reserve at all times, to avoid the wait. That means an eighth-less real-world range than whatever’s advertised.

    So 200 is really more like 190. And 190 is more like 140, if it’s cold out – and you turn the heater on . . .

    One last thing, related to all of the above . . .

    If you use most of the EV battery pack’s range regularly it is likely the service life of the battery will be shorter. All batteries suffer from heavy discharge/charge cycling; it’s a function of battery chemistry. The more often you “fast” charge a heavily discharged battery, the sooner you’ll be replacing that battery – which will suffer a reduction in its capacity to receive and retain a charge, which will gradually reduce your EV’s range, again.

    The farther you drive you EV, the less far you’ll be driving your EV.

    As the Church Lady on Saturday Night Live used to say: Isn’t that special?
    "Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid." - Valery Legasov

  11. #39
    Silly you, just put a solar panel on the roof of the car and charge it while you drive it!

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