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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    How long before GoFundMe allows Marxists to set up a page for him? Will Kamala donate?
    There actually was a GoFundMe started for him, but they took it down.

    I guess there is a limit to their hypocrisy, after all - at least in particular highly-publicized cases like this one.

    (They had just issued a statement after the Rittenhouse verdict justifying their refusal to allow any projects in support of him, on the basis that he had been charged with a violent crime - which doesn't explain why they previously allowed projects to raise bail on behalf of rioters charged with violent crimes.)



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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    There actually was a GoFundMe started for him, but they took it down.

    I guess there is a limit to their hypocrisy, after all - at least in particular highly-publicized cases like this one.

    (They had just issued a statement after the Rittenhouse verdict justifying their refusal to allow any projects in support of him, on the basis that he had been charged with a violent crime - which doesn't explain why they previously allowed projects to raise bail for rioters charged with violent crimes.)
    "Destruction of private property is not violence. It does not cause physical harm to a person. Private property is a concept steeped in white supremacy."

    I have seen that explaination used far too often.
    ...

  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    "Destruction of private property is not violence. It does not cause physical harm to a person. Private property is a concept steeped in white supremacy."

    I have seen that explaination used far too often.
    College professors are quite fond of that argument. A good reminder that dialogue with these people is often pointless. One cannot form a healthy civilization alongside them.

  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    "Destruction of private property is not violence. It does not cause physical harm to a person. Private property is a concept steeped in white supremacy."

    I have seen that explaination used far too often.
    Quote Originally Posted by BSWPaulsen View Post
    College professors are quite fond of that argument. A good reminder that dialogue with these people is often pointless. One cannot form a healthy civilization alongside them.
    Just ask them if they support slavery.

    They will say "no"

    Then you say, ok, what do slaveowners do? Don't they steal the labor from their slaves? So what's the difference between a thief and a slave owner, anyway?
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  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Just ask them if they support slavery.

    They will say "no"

    Then you say, ok, what do slaveowners do? Don't they steal the labor from their slaves? So what's the difference between a thief and a slave owner, anyway?
    I have argued with Marxist professors. Hell, I have one this semester that I have gone up against repeatedly due to every class being about how amazing Critical Race Theory is in his eyes. I keep writing papers that systematically drag his nonsense through the mud on philosophical, logical, and historical grounds. Does it matter? No. Logical consistency has nothing to do with their worldview. It is all about power, and they will use any logical fallacy they can get their hands on to promote their ideology's social dominance.

    When you are having a discussion with a Marxist, it is not an honest debate. In fact, it is not even a debate. You cannot "win", because you are the only one that cares about the truth. People need to get used to the fact that what they are dealing with are individuals promulgating their beliefs for perceived personal gain regardless of the details. They are completely devoid of honor or integrity and wholly embody Nietzsche's archetypal "letzter mensch".

  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    "Destruction of private property is not violence. It does not cause physical harm to a person. Private property is a concept steeped in white supremacy."

    I have seen that explaination used far too often.
    And you disagree comrade? Do you side with white supremacist capitalist pigs? Seems that re-education camp and some struggle sessions will be in your future. Your confession will be awaiting your signature at the camp.
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  9. #97
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  10. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    And you disagree comrade? Do you side with white supremacist capitalist pigs? Seems that re-education camp and some struggle sessions will be in your future. Your confession will be awaiting your signature at the camp.
    I know a lot of people who aren't white who have a desire to protect what they have earned. All this boils down to is Marxism. Race is just one of the many underhanded paths they use.
    ...

  11. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    "Destruction of private property is not violence. It does not cause physical harm to a person. Private property is a concept steeped in white supremacy."

    I have seen that explaination used far too often.
    I wouldn't know. I would imagine a person in their own home breaking $#@! and screaming and throwing things would be considered violent by many. Does assault need to be involved for something to be violent?

  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    I know a lot of people who aren't white who have a desire to protect what they have earned. All this boils down to is Marxism. Race is just one of the many underhanded paths they use.
    The non-white capitalists will have to sign a confession stating that they are really white supremacists on the inside, and therefore are thought criminals.

    White capitalists will have to sign a white guilt confession, along with a myriad of other confessions.
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  13. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The non-white capitalists will have to sign a confession stating that they are really white supremacists on the inside, and therefore are thought criminals.

    White capitalists will have to sign a white guilt confession, along with a myriad of other confessions.
    It doesn't look like we are in the garden of eden any longer.

  14. #102
    After the Waukesha incident, a lot of people were referring to Brooks as a "domestic terrorist".

    I thought that was a bit hyperbolic - he seemed like a vicious $#@! who plowed through all those people just to get away from the cops.

    I still think that's the case (subject to any new information to the contrary) - and people should certainly be more circumspect when it comes to throwing around terms like "domestic terrorism" - but it appears that in 2007, Brooks actually did engage in what could reasonably be referred to as "domestic terrorism".

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status...29713818202114

  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    After the Waukesha incident, a lot of people were referring to Brooks as a "domestic terrorist".

    I thought that was a bit hyperbolic - he seemed like a vicious $#@! who plowed through all those people just to get away from the cops.

    I still think that's the case (subject to any new information to the contrary) - and people should certainly be more circumspect when it comes to throwing around terms like "domestic terrorism" - but it appears that in 2007, Brooks actually did engage in what could reasonably be referred to as "domestic terrorism".

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status...29713818202114
    Too bad there is not a system in place to keep track of his prior criminal history. I'm sure the D.A. in the latest was blind sided.

  16. #104
    So anyone still against the death penalty for the ghoul?



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  18. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by John-G View Post
    So anyone still against the death penalty for the ghoul?
    Yes.

  19. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Yes.

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  20. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Yes.
    Not even for special occasions and crimes like this? The way I see it, there is no doubt we got the wrong guy in this case and the crime is heinous enough to deserve death. Don't think he could be or there is need for this one to be rehabilitated. I steadfast devotion to principles is amazing and I salute you.

  21. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by John-G View Post
    Not even for special occasions and crimes like this? The way I see it, there is no doubt we got the wrong guy in this case and the crime is heinous enough to deserve death. Don't think he could be or there is need for this one to be rehabilitated. I steadfast devotion to principles is amazing and I salute you.
    You want to go deposit a slug in his skull? Go ahead. I'm NOT giving that authority to the State, an entity which has GLEEFULLY abused that authority for decades.

    Did you NOT watch the Rittenhouse case??? We just watched on LIVE TV prosecutorial misconduct with an aim to convict a CHILD - WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE, BY THE WAY - and one which they CLEARLY knew he was innocent of the crimes of which they'd accused him.... and you want to give the state the authority over life and death!?

    What the $#@! is it with people, who seemingly CANNOT get over this state-worship??

  22. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by John-G View Post
    Not even for special occasions and crimes like this?
    Not even then.

    Quote Originally Posted by John-G View Post
    The way I see it, there is no doubt we got the wrong guy in this case [...]
    I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by John-G View Post
    [...] and the crime is heinous enough to deserve death.
    Deserve death? I dare say he does.

    But I can't resist paraphrasing Tolkien here:

    "Many who live deserve death. But many who die deserve life. Can you give it to them? No? Then do not be so eager to deal out death in judgment."

    Quote Originally Posted by John-G View Post
    Don't think he could be or there is need for this one to be rehabilitated.
    I don't regard "rehabilitation" (whatever that means) as having any relevance to the issue, one way or the other. If "rehabilitation" actually happens at some point, then that's great and wonderful and all, but it shouldn't be the purpose of any system of justice - certainly not the primary one. The primary purpose should be restitution to and/or the "making whole" of the victims or their survivors, to whatever extent that is possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by John-G View Post
    I steadfast devotion to principles is amazing and I salute you.
    Just to be clear, I don't have any more sympathy for this guy than I do for any other murderous $#@! one might care to name.

    If he ends up getting shivved in prison (Wisconsin doesn't have the death penalty), I won't shed a tear.

    But it's not a matter of whether this particular guy is the "right" one or not. It's a matter of all the other "wrong" ones who will inevitably end up being executed anyway. despite any best efforts that might be made to prevent such a thing from happening. The easiest, most drop-dead, no-brainer way to ensure that that does not happen is to simply forego capital punishment in all cases. Innocent or unjustly convicted people can be let out of prison. They can't be let out of the grave.

  23. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Not even then.

    I agree.

    Deserve death? I dare say he does.

    But I can't resist paraphrasing Tolkien here:

    "Many who live deserve death. But many who die deserve life. Can you give it to them? No? Then do not be so eager to deal out death in judgment."

    I don't regard "rehabilitation" (whatever that means) as having any relevance to the issue, one way or the other. If "rehabilitation" actually happens at some point, then that's great and wonderful and all, but it shouldn't be the purpose of any system of justice - certainly not the primary one. The primary purpose should be restitution to and/or the "making whole" of the victims or their survivors, to whatever extent that is possible.

    Just to be clear, I don't have any more sympathy for this guy than I do for any other murderous $#@! one might care to name.

    If he ends up getting shivved in prison (Wisconsin doesn't have the death penalty), I won't shed a tear.

    But it's not a matter of whether this particular guy is the "right" one or not. It's a matter of all the other "wrong" ones who will inevitably end up being executed anyway. despite any best efforts that might be made to prevent such a thing from happening. The easiest, most drop-dead, no-brainer way to ensure that that does not happen is to simply forego capital punishment in all cases. Innocent or unjustly convicted people can be let out of prison. They can't be let out of the grave.
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  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    What the $#@! is it with people, who seemingly CANNOT get over this state-worship??
    Possibility A: Useful idiots programmed by State indoctrination and propaganda

    Possibility B: Paid shills or captured individuals flipped to shilling

    (Possibility C: Actual agents of the State)
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  25. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Too bad there is not a system in place to keep track of his prior criminal history. I'm sure the D.A. in the latest was blind sided.
    You could run that through the local Fusion Center, but I doubt you get a straight answer.
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  27. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by John-G View Post
    So anyone still against the death penalty for the ghoul?
    Yes, for many of the reasons already stated.

    Yes in this case we probably have the "right man".

    The well documented cases and consequences of where it is NOT the right man are too great.

    ETA - I would probably abandon my principles if I was on the jury considering execution for genocide of the likes of Fauchi and the rest of the mad scientists that unleashed CCP19 on the world, and are planning an even deadlier version of plague as we speak.
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  28. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yes, for many of the reasons already stated.

    Yes in this case we probably have the "right man".

    The well documented cases and consequences of where it is NOT the right man are too great.

    ETA - I would probably abandon my principles if I was on the jury considering execution for genocide of the likes of Fauchi and the rest of the mad scientists that unleashed CCP19 on the world, and are planning an even deadlier version of plague as we speak.
    Same here
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    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

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  29. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    People don't kill people. Cars kill people.
    https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/s...86399123730443 [DELETED]

    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 11-25-2021 at 12:43 PM.

  30. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Hard to think of four grannies and some old banker getting mowed down as angelic work. But if it works, it works.

    Mysterious ways and all that.
    It's the original Hopium. Just pray to the great hero savior and all will be puppies and rainbows. Don't take your life into your hands, the great hero savior is coming back one day to make it all perfect.

    Just wait, Q is going to bring down the satanic pedo's just you watch and wait.. It's the same line, just modified for today's society.
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  31. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Some people keep saying this - as if anyone (let alone the media) was ever going to be paying much attention to it to begin with.

    First, the Rittenhouse trial/verdict that was the "distraction." Now it's this. Tomorrow, it will be something else.

    If it keeps up, I'm going to start wondering what they're trying to use the Maxwell trial to distract us from ...
    Oh, maybe the fact that people are dropping dead from cardiac/pulmonary/anaphylactic events left and right? Maybe the normalization of cardiac issues in children is hitting front pages of newspapers across the world? Creeping infrastructure for the digital enslavement of humanity? That would be my vote.
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  33. #119
    But if I was a medical company exec distributing death shots killing people every day I'm not liable
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

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  34. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    People don't kill people. Cars kill people.



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