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    Biden Admin Amassing Millions of Records on US Gun Owners Amid New Crackdown on Firearms
    Biden's ATF obtained more than 54 million gun owner records in 2021 alone


    https://freebeacon.com/biden-adminis...n-on-firearms/

    November 6, 2021 5:00 am

    The Biden administration in just the past year alone stockpiled the records of more than 54 million U.S. gun owners and is poised to drastically alter gun regulations to ensure that information on Americans who own firearms ultimately ends up in the federal government's hands, according to internal Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) documents obtained by the Washington Free Beacon.

    The ATF in fiscal year 2021 processed 54.7 million out-of-business records, according to an internal ATF document obtained by the Gun Owners of America, a firearms advocacy group, and provided exclusively to the Free Beacon. When a licensed gun store goes out of business, its private records detailing gun transactions become ATF property and are stored at a federal site in West Virginia. This practice allows the federal government to stockpile scores of gun records and has drawn outrage from gun advocacy groups that say the government is using this information to create a national database of gun owners—which has long been prohibited under U.S. law.

    The ATF obtained 53.8 million paper records and another 887,000 electronic records, according to the internal document that outlines ATF actions in fiscal year 2021. Gun activists described this figure as worryingly high and said it contributes to fears that the Biden administration is trying to keep track of all Americans who own firearms, in violation of federal statutes. The procurement of these records by the ATF comes as the Biden administration moves to alter current laws to ensure that gun records are stored in perpetuity. Currently, gun shops can destroy their records after 20 years, thereby preventing the ATF from accessing the information in the future.

    "As if the addition of over 50 million records to an ATF gun registry wasn't unconstitutional or illegal enough, the Biden administration's misuse of ‘out-of-business' records doesn't end there," Aidan Johnston, the Gun Owners of America's director of federal affairs, told the Free Beacon. "Instead of maintaining the right of [licensed firearm dealers] to destroy Firearm Transaction Records after 20 years, buried within Biden's proposed regulations is a provision that would mean every single Firearm Transaction Record going forward would eventually be sent to ATF's registry in West Virginia."

    The ATF's registry site has long been a battleground between gun advocates and the federal government. Those in favor of more restrictive gun measures want the ATF to digitize this registry and create a federal database of U.S. gun owners, a move opposed by groups such as the Gun Owners of America and the National Rifle Association. The ATF has so many records stored in its West Virginia site that several years ago the floor collapsed, according to the New York Times.

    An ATF spokesman declined to comment on internal agency records but told the Free Beacon that the agency's "National Tracing Center processes millions of out of business records each month." However, "those out of business records do not constitute an initiation or continuation of any federal gun registry," the spokesman said.

    The Gun Control Act of 1968 mandates that licensed firearm dealers that go out of business provide the ATF with their records. They are then processed into images, though the ATF maintains this database cannot be searched by a purchaser's name. Physical records, the agency says, are then destroyed.

    The record-keeping issue has received new scrutiny as the Biden administration readies to implement several new restrictions on firearms and owners, including a proposed ban on anywhere from 10 to 40 million pistol braces, which are used as stabilizers on popular weapons such as AR-15s. Under these guidelines, gun owners would be ordered to register or destroy these pistol braces.

    The ATF's proposed regulations would also require gun parts to be regulated with background checks, meaning that if an individual assembled a legal homemade gun, he may be forced to submit to up to 16 different background checks.

    Gun advocates, including the Gun Owners of America, accuse the Biden administration of abusing the rule-making process to ensure these regulations are put into effect in record time, possibly before the end of the year.

    "The Biden administration has forced ATF to undertake the rule-making process in record time—resulting in faulty argumentation and demonstrating that neither ATF nor Biden's anti-gun appointees know anything about the firearms and accessories they seek to regulate," said Johnston.

    The ATF, through its spokesman, maintained that its rule-making process allows for gun advocates, experts, and others to offer comment on proposed regulations well before they go into effect. "Congress and the Government Accountability Office have an opportunity to review any final rule prior to its effective date," the spokesman said. "The process is anything but ‘speedy.'"
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    Yet another case of "never should have tolerated this to begin with"
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    Anarchist: I don’t register guns or have a permission permit.

    Republicans, NRA card carriers, gun stores, etc: It’s “the law”, we require tracking/registering. We don’t sell to extremists, anarchists are the downfall of freedom.

    Its ’s what you made of it, so you guys figure it out. Maybe vote harder or something. I don’t much care anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Anarchist: I don’t register guns or have a permission permit.

    Republicans, NRA card carriers, gun stores, etc: It’s “the law”, we require tracking/registering. We don’t sell to extremists, anarchists are the downfall of freedom.

    Its ’s what you made of it, so you guys figure it out. Maybe vote harder or something. I don’t much care anymore.
    You know...if you guys would come down off your anarcho-blarg high horses and come down from your agorist high towers, for just five minutes, you might realize that government action like this is just what is needed to create even more anarchos and agorists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You know...if you guys would come down off your anarcho-blarg high horses and come down from your agorist high towers, for just five minutes, you might realize that government action like this is just what is needed to create even more anarchos and agorists.
    What high horse?

    I’ve been ridiculed and beaten down enough for trying to promote agorism/anarco-capitalism, called “extremist” event among the “right”. Whether gun regs, eminent domain, burn/building/dog permits, you all believe government has a place and a function. It all starts with the individual, not asking politicians and obeying “laws” that are passed which oppose and reject individual freedom.

    If you want to become an an-cap/Agorist, you don’t need a group, my permission, or vote to do so. Just do it.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    You know...if you guys would come down off your anarcho-blarg high horses....
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I’ve been ridiculed and beaten down enough for trying to promote agorism/anarco-capitalism...
    Guys, it's a frustrating time. @TheTexan; has it right:

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Yet another case of "never should have tolerated this to begin with"
    So... no time machine to fix it. 3d printers, anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    When a licensed gun store goes out of business, its private records detailing gun transactions become ATF property and are stored at a federal site in West Virginia. This practice allows the federal government to stockpile scores of gun records and has drawn outrage from gun advocacy groups that say the government is using this information to create a national database of gun owners—which has long been prohibited under U.S. law.
    Could this be related to the ATF practice of targeting certain gun stores and businesses and putting them out of business? Seems that if they had an interest in seeing the records of any given gun store, they just do one of their standard sting operations, put them out of business, and then get all of their records.

    Nah, they would never think of that. It's just a crazy conspiracy hypothesis...
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    They're collecting Form 4473s, which would not even exist if not for GCA68. GCA68 passed because the NRA and Republican politicians betrayed gun owners (you know, their usual behavior) and let it pass. Don't look to the NRA or Republican politicians to be any help in this situation either. No doubt they're sharpening their daggers and picking a nice spot on our backs to thrust them as we speak.
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    I tried.
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