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    Salon: ‘White Christianity’ Fuels Fascism; Republican Movement ‘Objectively Evil’

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...ectively-evil/

    JOSHUA KLEIN 26 Oct 2021

    In a shockingly anti-white and anti-Christian dialogue, Salon staff writer Chauncey DeVega sat with University of Pennsylvania religious studies professor Anthea Butler, referring to “the Republican fascist movement” as “objectively evil,” hoping that “people of color” die out in the battle against “multiracial democracy,” while accusing “white Christians” of embracing lies, terrorism, white supremacy and fascism.

    The interview, titled “Religion scholar Anthea Butler on ‘White Christianity’ and its role in fueling fascism” was published in Salon last Tuesday and begins with DeVega claiming the conservative movement has increasingly been governed by faith since at least the 1980s.

    “[T]his means that the Republican Party and the larger right-wing movement’s policies and ideology across a range of issues — the economy, the environment, science, health care, democracy and the rule of law — have little if any basis in fact,” he writes.

    Stating that, “in the Age of Trump, movement conservatism has metastasized or devolved into its purest form: American fascism,” which he describes as a form of religious politics “taken to its most illogical extreme,” he accuses conservatives of spreading lies and falsehoods.

    “Facts, truth and even the conception of reality itself are being replaced with lies, fictions, and fantasies that serve the American fascist movement and its leader,” he writes.

    Citing public opinion polls and “other research,” he then states that “white right-wing Christians, especially Protestant evangelicals, have pledged their loyalty to Donald Trump and his movement,” with many viewing the former president as “a literal prophet or savior.”

    DeVega also claims that the January 6 U.S. Capitol riot “dramatically illustrated” that “violence is a key feature of the new American fascism,” as he accuses “Republican fascists” of embracing terror:

    Trumpists and other Republican fascists, many or most of whom identify as Christian, have widely embraced political violence, including outright terrorism, as a necessary measure to “protect” their “traditional way of life” against “radical socialist Democrats”, Black and brown people, Muslims, LGBTQ people and pretty much all Americans who still believe in the constitutional separation of church and state and the rule of law.

    “Together, these forces exist in a state of collective narcissism and shared malignant reality,” he added. “In that relationship, white right-wing Christianity is a nexus or type of glue.”

    “White Christianity”

    Claiming white Christians in America “tend to do very different things” than black and other Christians, Butler explained that true believers in Jesus would “have to be for the poor and all that comes with that” whereas “white Christianity” may overlook poverty.

    She defined “white Christianity” as a religion based on white supremacy:

    White Christianity is a Christianity that is based on the following: Jesus is white. Jesus privileges white culture and white supremacy, and the political aspirations of whiteness over and against everything else. White Christianity assumes that everybody should be subsumed under whiteness in terms of culture and society.

    After DeVega claimed the language of “religious freedom” is “central to the power of white Christianity in America” despite it referring in practice to “‘freedom’ of white Christianity” alone, Butler replied by stating that white Christians actually seek to suppress the freedoms of others.

    “The rhetoric of freedom is being used to elevate ‘freedom’ for white Christians and to suppress freedom for everyone else,” she said, adding that “[l]imiting women’s reproductive freedoms is a way to keep everybody in check.”

    Violence, Terrorism, and Fascism

    Butler, a professor of religious studies and Africana studies who’s featured many times in the media, then discussed “the phenomenon of ‘white’ Christianity’s alleged role in the January 6 Capitol riot “and the ascendant fascist movement.”

    In his words, Butler “warns that too many white people have erroneously convinced themselves that racial privilege will protect them from escalating right-wing Christian terrorism and related political violence.”

    According to DeVega, Butler goes on to claim American democracy is in its “last moments” and the decision to “fight back” or die must be made imminently, adding that Democrats are counting on black Americans standing in line for hours to vote while ignoring that “Democrats have not done much for them.”

    Speaking on the “right-wing culture war narrative,” which sees “connections between such militant language and actual right-wing violence,” Butler claimed that such rhetoric has a long history:

    There’s war imagery all through Biblical scripture. There are war songs that people sing in churches. This idea about battling for the Lord, whether we’re talking about the Crusades or the Civil War or fighting communism and everything else, is embedded in our history. That language of war and fighting is being used to incite people now.

    Explaining the role of “white Christianity” in right-wing “disruptions and threats of violence at local school board meetings” over issues such as incorporating CRT curriculum in schools and nationwide vaccine mandates, Butler blamed Christians, specifically Evangelicalism:

    It is as though nobody remembers the 1950s, when white people were standing outside yelling and screaming and cussing Black children who were actually integrating these schools. These were Christians who were in churches, who were out there yelling and spitting and screaming. Women especially. Evangelicalism and harsh rhetoric have always been part and parcel of this.

    “We need to quit talking about evangelicalism as though it is some type of coddling religion and understand it for what it has been and what it is doing,” she added.

    Describing the Capitol riot as “an act of white right-wing Christian terrorism against multiracial democracy,” DeVega then asked why the media refused to highlight the “Christian iconography,” such as crosses, prayers, and horns, present.

    “It’s intentional,” Butler replied. “They cannot come to grips with the fact that the Christianity of America is just like any other fundamentalist religion that gets weaponized in order to hold on to power.”

    She also claimed that the large cross reportedly raised on the Capitol steps was intended “to be like the crusaders during the European Middle Ages.”

    Justifying “Evil”

    After DeVega noted political leaders and others claiming to be Christians while virtually ignoring “the many forms of evil both summoned and empowered by the Age of Trump,” Butler said that “many of these Christians are the devils at work in this society.”

    When asked how “white Christians” explain away the behavior of the “objectively evil” former president and “Republican fascist movement,” Butler claimed they are often victims of misinformation.

    “Because they’re in a bubble,” she said. “Their pastor is reinforcing these messages. The people they live around are reinforcing these messages.”

    “They listen to Fox News,” she added, claiming they live by “the scriptures that are written by their politicians and their pastors.”

    COVID-19

    DeVega then accused right-wing leaders of “summoning God and their faith to encourage people not to take proper health precautions” during the current “deadly [coronavirus] plague”:

    As a matter of public policy, Christian nationalists, dominionists and other Christian fascists are trying to impose their End Times eschatological fantasies onto secular America in opposition to the Constitution and the separation of church and state.

    “These are fantasies of death and destruction,” he added. “These white right-wing Christians literally seem to be seeking out death.”

    Agreeing, Butler claimed white right-wing Christians desire to live “without restraint,” warning that, at some point, “it is death for you, but it is not death for them.”

    She then suggests that right-wing leaders oppose masks in the hopes that “people of color” die out, but were dismayed when many “white folks” did.

    “[W]hen the pandemic started and many of these red-state and other right-wing leaders were telling people not to wear masks, they were kind of hoping that the ‘right people’ would die,” she said. “We know who the ‘right people’ are”:

    Now, people in red states are dying and those Republican and other right-wing leaders can’t get out of the spiral of telling people not to get vaccinated. They were hoping that all the people of color were going to die. But now in the red states, it’s a lot of white folks dying.

    Butler is no stranger to controversy.

    Earlier this month, Butler stated that evangelicals followed the Republican Party and not Christian scripture:

    When you look at the statistics of white evangelicals right now, they are least likely to welcome immigrants. It flies in the face of what their Christian doctrine is supposed to be. You welcome the stranger. You’re supposed to do that as a Christian, but they’re not listening to what scripture says. They’re listening to what the Republican Party says.

    “[S]top calling evangelicals when they say they’re all about morality. They’re not,” she added. “Morality is a shield. Morality is a way for them to get power. What is good for them is not good for you.”

    In May, she claimed evangelical Christians are white racists who “may end up killing us all.”

    “If evangelicals don’t change, they pose an existential crisis to us all,” she warned. “They are part and parcel of the reason why we cannot move forward, because they say they have religious beliefs.”

    “And because they are being selfish and because they don’t care, their racism, their sexism, their homophobia, their lack of belief in science, lack of belief and common sense may end up killing us all,” Butler added.

    In 2015, Butler made headlines again after suggesting Dr. Ben Carson deserved a “coon of the year” award.

    In 2013, the professor faced backlash after calling God a “white racist.”

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    Religion scholar Anthea Butler on "White Christianity" and its role in fueling fascism

    https://www.salon.com/2021/10/19/rel...eling-fascism/

    Author of "White Evangelical Racism" explains how a specific strain of Christianity became a toxic political force
    By CHAUNCEY DEVEGA
    PUBLISHED OCTOBER 19, 2021 10:32AM (EDT)
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    Since at least the 1980s, the conservative movement has increasingly been governed by faith, which can be described as a belief in things that cannot be proved by empirical means. In practice, this means that the Republican Party and the larger right-wing movement's policies and ideology across a range of issues — the economy, the environment, science, health care, democracy and the rule of law — have little if any basis in fact.

    In the Age of Trump, movement conservatism has metastasized or devolved into its purest form: American fascism, a form of religious politics taken to its most illogical extreme. Facts, truth and even the conception of reality itself are being replaced with lies, fictions, and fantasies that serve the American fascist movement and its leader.

    As public opinion polls and other research have repeatedly shown, white right-wing Christians, especially Protestant evangelicals, have pledged their loyalty to Donald Trump and his movement. Many view him as a literal prophet or savior: His evident immorality has been rationalized as somehow necessary to his prophetic role.

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    Violence is a key feature of the new American fascism, as dramatically illustrated on Jan. 6 but also at many other moments. Trumpists and other Republican fascists, many or most of whom identify as Christian, have widely embraced political violence, including outright terrorism, as a necessary measure to "protect" their "traditional way of life" against "radical socialist Democrats", Black and brown people, Muslims, LGBTQ people and pretty much all Americans who still believe in the constitutional separation of church and state and the rule of law.

    Together, these forces exist in a state of collective narcissism and shared malignant reality. In that relationship, white right-wing Christianity is a nexus or type of glue.

    To discuss this profoundly disturbing phenomenon, I recently spoke with Anthea Butler, professor of religious studies and Africana studies at the University of Pennsylvania. She has been a guest on MSNBC, CNN, PBS and the BBC, and her essays have been featured in the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Guardian, the Religion News Service and MSNBC. Butler's new book is "White Evangelical Racism: The Politics of Morality in America".

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    In this conversation, she discusses the phenomenon of "white Christianity" and its role in the Age of Trump and America's current crisis of democracy. She also explores the specific role this phenomenon played in the events of Jan. 6 and the ascendant fascist movement, and its crucial role in legitimating and normalizing the society-wide moral crisis catalyzed and empowered by the Age of Trump.

    Toward the end of this conversation, Butler warns that too many white people have erroneously convinced themselves that racial privilege will protect them from escalating right-wing Christian terrorism and related political violence.

    This conversation has been edited, as usual, for clarity and length.

    Imagine that American democracy is a patient in the hospital. If you were a type of religious figure — a priest, an imam, a rabbi or the like — what counsel would you be offering that patient in this dire moment?

    I will answer that question in the context of the Catholic tradition. In that faith tradition there is something called "extreme unction." This is when you are on your deathbed, and they come to you to give you a prayer. Before the changes of Vatican II, the priest also carried a little kit, which had what would be used for communion and other needs. If I were diagnosing democracy right now in America, it is in a state of extreme unction. American democracy is in its last moments and it is going to need a miracle to get up from that deathbed. I would whisper in that patient's ear right now that you had better decide to fight back or you are dead in the next 15 minutes. Your 15 minutes are about up.

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    What would penance look like?

    Continuing with the Catholic tradition. Most of the time the penitence, in the old Catholic tradition, would involve beating oneself. Self-flagellation. There would be bloodletting. You would not want someone else to make the bloodletting happen for you.

    In the case of American democracy, especially with the Democratic Party, they are holding on to some old, tired notion that they are still in power and that the things that they have counted on before will work for them in this moment of crisis. The Democrats are counting on Black folks standing in line for 20 hours to vote. They are counting on Black people to ignore the fact that the Democrats have not done much for them. The Democrats are counting on the good Black Christians to come and save them, once again, from themselves.

    There are all these political leaders and others who claim to be Christians and say that America is supposedly a "Christian nation." But there is little talk of the many forms of evil both summoned and empowered by the Age of Trump. How is this being reconciled?

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    There are two primary reasons, as I see it. Half the time they do not believe that there is in fact a devil. Moreover, many of these Christians are the devils at work in this society. Two, if you don't believe in the devil, then you don't have to deal with anything that is evil.

    Instead, you use language such as "people are misguided" or "they have the wrong idea" or "they didn't really mean to lie like that." Evangelicals of the 1950s, and even the '60s and early '70s, would have looked at Donald Trump and said that he was the Antichrist. Now evangelicals worship him. To be clear, I am not offering a position on whether not I believe that Trump is the Antichrist or whether he should be worshipped. I'm just telling you what is happening.

    Donald Trump, his regime and the Republican fascist movement are objectively evil. How do white Christians explain away such behavior?

    Because they're in a bubble. Their pastor is reinforcing these messages. The people they live around are reinforcing these messages. They listen to Fox News. Their other information sources reinforce the same message.

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    Let's be frank: I don't care how many times they carry a Bible. Half of them are not reading it anyway. One may think that these people are evangelical Christians and therefore they know scripture. Yes, some of them do. These evangelicals may know it very well. But even though these evangelicals say, "I'm living by scripture," the reality is that they are living by the scriptures that are written by their politicians and their pastors.

    The Jan. 6 coup attempt and attack on the Capitol was an act of white right-wing Christian terrorism against multiracial democracy. Given the Christian iconography and behavior seen on Jan. 6 — that huge cross, the prayers, the horns, and other examples — why do mainstream news media and others refuse to state such obvious facts?

    It's intentional. They cannot come to grips with the fact that the Christianity of America is just like any other fundamentalist religion that gets weaponized in order to hold on to power. Therefore, they have to continue to tell themselves that everything that happened on Jan. 6 was an aberration and not something religious in nature. Those people are not "Christians" like us.

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    But the reality is that those people are you. And not only are those people you, they sat with you in the pews. They prayed with you. And if they had succeeded on Jan. 6, you would be right there on their side. And you would say that God must have blessed them to be able to overthrow the United States government.

    Can you explain more about the horns and specific prayers that were used on Jan. 6?

    They had horns, what are known as the ram's horn or the shofar, which appeared in the Old Testament. Those horns were blown before the walls of Jericho came down. It was like a battle. Those horns were used in rituals in ancient Judaism. That horn is also used in Jewish rituals today to mark certain kinds of events, whether that's Rosh Hashanah or Yom Kippur. The blowing of the horn means that we are going into battle — in this context, that God is going with us into the Capitol.

    The kinds of prayers we saw on Jan. 6 at the Capitol are called "imprecatory prayers." There are the kinds of prayers used when you want your enemy to die. On Jan. 6 they believed that they were on a mission from God to go into the Capitol and get Nancy Pelosi, Mike Pence and other people they saw as enemies.

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    And that huge Christian cross?

    They used that cross to be like the crusaders during the European Middle Ages.

    Tate Reeves, the Republican governor of Mississippi, recently said that Christians are not afraid of the coronavirus because they believe in "eternal life." How did you process his assertion? The country is in the midst of a deadly plague, and right-wing leaders are summoning God and their faith to encourage people not to take proper health precautions.

    Those words are a claim that "we" are not afraid of death because we Christians. It is a claim of certainty on going to heaven. It will all be fine, because if you die from the coronavirus then you are going to see Jesus. Well, what if Jesus is not there? What if there's no Jesus? What if you just drop straight down into the pit of hell?

    I'm not saying that's what's going to happen, but the way in which the governor of Mississippi spoke about the pandemic was as though if you die, then it is all going to be all right. What kind of sense does that make?

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    As a matter of public policy, Christian nationalists, dominionists and other Christian fascists are trying to impose their End Times eschatological fantasies onto secular America in opposition to the Constitution and the separation of church and state. These are fantasies of death and destruction. These white right-wing Christians literally seem to be seeking out death.

    They do in fact appear to be seeking out death. They have this huge desire to live the way they want to live without restraint. At some point it is death for you, but it is not death for them.

    One of the dimensions here that many people do not understand is that when the pandemic started and many of these red-state and other right-wing leaders were telling people not to wear masks, they were kind of hoping that the "right people" would die. We know who the "right people" are.

    Now, people in red states are dying and those Republican and other right-wing leaders can't get out of the spiral of telling people not to get vaccinated. They were hoping that all the people of color were going to die. But now in the red states, it's a lot of white folks dying. A lot of white children are going to die, and they still are doubling down on the same thing. It hasn't changed.

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    What is "White Christianity"?

    White Christians tend to do very different things than Black Christians or Asian American Christians or Latino Christians in this country. You can be a Black Christian and believe in white evangelicalism. You can be Black and a Christian and be bought out and sold out to white evangelicalism or white Christianity because you accept the premises of what these white preachers are telling you, especially about how you're supposed to love America for example.

    There are Black Christians, and others, who are not being discerning about what is Christianity, as opposed to what is better described as White American Christianity.

    For some Christians, the question becomes, "Well, I'm a red-letter Christian," which basically refers to how the words of Jesus are red in the Bible. "I believe what Jesus says." My intervention there is: If that's the case, great. That means you have to be for the poor and all that comes with that.

    White Christianity is a Christianity that is based on the following: Jesus is white. Jesus privileges white culture and white supremacy, and the political aspirations of whiteness over and against everything else. White Christianity assumes that everybody should be subsumed under whiteness in terms of culture and society.

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    White Christianity assumes that it does not have to look at poverty. We see this in the form of the so-called prosperity gospel, and that any blessing you get from God is because God favors you. If anybody else is out of favor, let's say some poor kid in Northwest Philadelphia who doesn't have enough to eat, well, that's just too bad because they're not blessed of God.

    When suffering happens, it's blamed on anybody else but God.

    As part of the right-wing culture war narrative there is a martial language that includes Christianity. There is talk of "Christian struggle" and "Christian war." What are the connections between such militant language and actual right-wing violence?

    That language has a long history in this country. There's war imagery all through Biblical scripture. There are war songs that people sing in churches. This idea about battling for the Lord, whether we're talking about the Crusades or the Civil War or fighting communism and everything else, is embedded in our history. That language of war and fighting is being used to incite people now.

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    Most people in America do not want such violence to happen. The problem is that if you've got enough people who want such an outcome, who can make it hell for everybody else, and there are people in power who want to use the public to create decay and destruction, such violent language is going to be used to that end. Donald Trump knows how to push every one of these buttons.

    How do you explain the role of white Christianity in the right-wing disruptions and threats of violence at local school board meetings about "critical race theory," vaccinations and other topics?

    It is as though nobody remembers the 1950s, when white people were standing outside yelling and screaming and cussing Black children who were actually integrating these schools. These were Christians who were in churches, who were out there yelling and spitting and screaming. Women especially. Evangelicalism and harsh rhetoric have always been part and parcel of this.

    We need to quit talking about evangelicalism as though it is some type of coddling religion and understand it for what it has been and what it is doing.

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    The language of "religious freedom" is central to the power of white Christianity in America. Other religions are rarely able to make such claims and have them accepted as normal or reasonable by the public, or especially by the Supreme Court and political leaders. In practice, the "freedom" of white Christianity is something unique in America. Muslims, for example, are rarely if ever afforded such protections and special rights.

    The rhetoric of freedom is being used to elevate "freedom" for white Christians and to suppress freedom for everyone else. In order to remain on top, the freedom of everybody else is being suppressed. These types of white Christians want you to do what they want you to do. In turn, you will be controlled by them. Limiting women's reproductive freedoms is a way to keep everybody in check.

    What is the role of white privilege in explaining why so many white Americans are able to deny the serious dangers embodied by white Christian fascist violence?

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    White privilege convinces many white people that they will not personally have to deal with the violence. They believe that, unlike other people, they will just be able to melt away into the background when the violence happens and nobody is going to shoot people who look like them.

    White privilege has convinced them that nobody's going to take their home away from them. Nobody's going to kill their kids. Nobody's going to march them out as an example and shoot them. White privilege has convinced them that they can take some type of loyalty oath or pledge and they will be safe.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 10-27-2021 at 12:56 PM.
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    Stating that, “in the Age of Trump, movement conservatism has metastasized or devolved into its purest form: American fascism,” which he describes as a form of religious politics “taken to its most illogical extreme,” he accuses conservatives of spreading lies and falsehoods.
    Pure Marxist propaganda. The Marxists love to accuse others of what they are doing. Sometimes it’s consciously employing a propaganda technique, sometimes it’s projecting their own evil thoughts, sometimes a little of both.

    They are a cult, and as a cult, they can have no competing religion. They can have no competing ideas. They are totalitarians.

    And at risk of beating a dead horse, they are globalists, and are opposed to nations. Nations, once again, are competition to their globalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    And at risk of beating a dead horse...
    This horse has not been beaten nearly enough as far as I'm concerned.

    There are still far too many people who do not understand the gravity of the situation we are in.

    This is full on Marxist revolution.

    If they are successful, not only will the country cease to exist as we know it, but anybody that is deemed a counter revolutionary or enemy of the state, as the resident has already called us numerous times, will be exterminated.
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    Pretty sure it's the Marxists all over the world that are trying to kill us all.
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    “white right-wing Christians, especially Protestant evangelicals"
    The war on WASPs is not new. This nation was founded as a Protestant Christian nation. Those in positions of power, who play power games, and don't consider themselves as members of that group, have long conspired and plotted together to neutralize WASPs. In those terms, everything makes sense. The Immigration Reform and Nationality Act of 1965 was a major turning point, championed by the Catholic Kennedy family. It was an inside joke in the movie "Caddyshack". Immigration from south of the border also fits that agenda. The Supreme Court is made up of nothing but Jewish and Catholic members now.

    The transformation from a WASP nation to a Judeo-Catholic nation is almost complete. Combine this with Marxist-Globalism, and the war on WASPs can be out in the open now.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The war on WASPs is not new. This nation was founded as a Protestant Christian nation. Those in positions of power, who play power games, and don't consider themselves as members of that group, have long conspired and plotted together to neutralize WASPs. In those terms, everything makes sense. The Immigration Reform and Nationality Act of 1965 was a major turning point, championed by the Catholic Kennedy family. It was an inside joke in the movie "Caddyshack". Immigration from south of the border also fits that agenda. The Supreme Court is made up of nothing but Jewish and Catholic members now.

    The transformation from a WASP nation to a Judeo-Catholic nation is almost complete. Combine this with Marxist-Globalism, and the war on WASPs can be out in the open now.
    "I christen thee: The Flying WASP"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    This horse has not been beaten nearly enough as far as I'm concerned.

    There are still far too many people who do not understand the gravity of the situation we are in.

    This is full on Marxist revolution.

    If they are successful, not only will the country cease to exist as we know it, but anybody that is deemed a counter revolutionary or enemy of the state, as the resident has already called us numerous times, will be exterminated.
    Perhaps long beaten and debated by some of us here, the idea that it is a war of globalism vs. nationalism is not mainstream in the slightest. To most, it is simply a war against evil Trump and his supporters.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    "I christen thee: The Flying WASP"
    And completely lost on most viewers of the movie, especially WASPs.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    In a shockingly anti-white and anti-Christian dialogue, Salon staff writer Chauncey DeVega sat with University of Pennsylvania religious studies professor Anthea Butler,

    Why am I not surprised that this attitude clown looks exactly the way I pictured? lol




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    which one of yall fuckers wrote the "ron paul" racist news letters
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    Zippy's posts are a great contribution.




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    long past due for white christians to quit paying to send kids to colleges that employ marxists. They cant survive without that money .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    long past due for white christians to quit paying to send kids to colleges that employ marxists. They cant survive without that money .
    Maybe Joe and Janey Six Pack are starting to tire of spending a quarter of a million dollars to send their bright, well adjusted teenager off to a Marxist indoctrination camp to come back a bitter, blue haired, tattooed, lesbian, communist.


    Undergraduate enrollment saw largest two-year drop in 50 years during pandemic

    https://www.breitbart.com/news/under...ring-pandemic/
    "Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid." - Valery Legasov

  15. #13
    DeVega also claims that the January 6 U.S. Capitol riot “dramatically illustrated” that “violence is a key feature of the new American fascism,” as he accuses “Republican fascists” of embracing terror:
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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  16. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    "I christen thee: The Flying WASP"

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

  17. #15
    These people are agents of evil. We need to start ignoring them, I think. The more that people hear of them, the more evil is put into the world.
    Welcome to the R3VOLUTION!

  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Okie RP fan View Post
    These people are agents of evil. We need to start ignoring them, I think. The more that people hear of them, the more evil is put into the world.
    That will have the same effect as ignoring the state. Neither will go away just because we ignore it.

    There is, and always has been, only one answer for tyrants and those that would play the tyrant.



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  20. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Okie RP fan View Post
    These people are agents of evil. We need to start ignoring them, I think. The more that people hear of them, the more evil is put into the world.
    This woman is a "professor".

    Fine..."we" ignore her, and she goes right on making a six figure salary peddling this poison to thousands of college kids, every year.

    And we wonder why we're surrounded by racist Marxists.
    "Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid." - Valery Legasov

  21. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by BSWPaulsen View Post
    That will have the same effect as ignoring the state. Neither will go away just because we ignore it.

    There is, and always has been, only one answer for tyrants and those that would play the tyrant.
    Power, right? The problem with "our" side is we have been unwilling to wield power like these people do. If not power, then violence. We've seen mixed results through history with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    This woman is a "professor".

    Fine..."we" ignore her, and she goes right on making a six figure salary peddling this poison to thousands of college kids, every year.

    And we wonder why we're surrounded by racist Marxists.
    All true points, but what does spreading this stuff around do when we know she won't be fired? I wish I had a better answer, unfortunately we're all stuck in the mud while the marxists dance around us knowing they've had all of this carefully crafted for some time and are reaping the benefits.

    I'm not saying to lay down, either. I don't think that gets us anything at all.
    Welcome to the R3VOLUTION!

  22. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Okie RP fan View Post
    All true points, but what does spreading this stuff around do when we know she won't be fired? I wish I had a better answer, unfortunately we're all stuck in the mud while the marxists dance around us knowing they've had all of this carefully crafted for some time and are reaping the benefits.

    I'm not saying to lay down, either. I don't think that gets us anything at all.
    This forum for me is a repository of what I have said or am saying to people in real life.

    I'm trying, as hard as I can, to get my fellow citizens to stir their stumps and save themselves.
    "Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid." - Valery Legasov

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Salon: ‘White Christianity’ Fuels Fascism; Republican Movement ‘Objectively Evil’
    ...
    Seems like a collectivist broad brush use... to tarnish an entire group due to greed/racially motivated bloody wars hunger of few extremists falsely invoking religious motives:

    Video: Texas based CUFI's Pastor John Hagee Praying for more War in the name of Jesus




    From: Major Iraq war champion barred from being alone with children


    OTOH, some minority Evangelical politicians like Latino-American Rafael Ted Cruz have also been accused of supporting greed/racism motivated lies based wars bloodbath:

    Proud Christian Zionist Ted Cruz honors Iraq war hero Chris Kyle


    Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) addresses CUFI’s annual Washington summit on July 22. (CUFI)

    Chris Kyle USN Ret
    Most lethal sniper in U.S. history

    Evil in the Crosshairs

    "The number is not important to me. I only wish I had killed more."
    01/27/2012
    I looked through the scope of the sniper rifle, scanning down the road of the tiny Iraqi town. Fifty yards away, a woman opened the door of a small house and stepped outside with her child.
    The rest of the street was deserted. The local Iraqis had gone inside, most of them scared. A few curious souls peeked out from behind curtains, waiting. They could hear the rumble of the approaching American unit. ..

    "Marines are coming," said my chief as the building began to shake. "Keep watching."
    I looked through the scope. The only people who were moving were the woman and maybe a child or two nearby.
    I watched our troops pull up. Ten young, proud Marines in uniform got out of their vehicles and gathered for a foot patrol. As the Americans organized, the woman took something from beneath her clothes, and yanked at it.
    She'd set a grenade. I didn't realize it at first.
    "Looks yellow," I told the chief, describing what I saw as he watched himself. "It's yellow, the body--"
    "She's got a grenade," said the chief. "That's a Chinese grenade."
    "$#@!."
    "Take a shot."
    "But--"
    "Shoot. Get the grenade. The Marines--"
    I hesitated. Someone was trying to get the Marines on the radio, but we couldn't reach them. They were coming down the street, heading toward the woman.
    "Shoot!" said the chief.
    I pushed my finger against the trigger. The bullet leapt out. I shot. The grenade dropped. I fired again as the grenade blew up.
    It was the first time I'd killed anyone while I was on the sniper rifle. And the first time in Iraq--and the only time--I killed anyone other than a male combatant.
    It was my duty to shoot, and I don't regret it. The woman was already dead. I was just making sure she didn't take any Marines with her.
    It was clear that not only did she want to kill them, but she didn't care about anybody else nearby who would have been blown up by the grenade or killed in the firefight. Children on the street, people in the houses, maybe her child...
    She was too blinded by evil to consider them. She just wanted Americans dead, no matter what.
    My shots saved several Americans, whose lives were clearly worth more than that woman's twisted soul. I can stand before God with a clear conscience about doing my job. But I truly, deeply hated the evil that woman possessed. I hate it to this day.

    Savage, despicable evil. That's what we were fighting in Iraq. That's why a lot of people, myself included, called the enemy "savages." There really was no other way to describe what we encountered there.
    People ask me all the time, "How many people have you killed?" My standard response is, "Does the answer make me less, or more, of a man?"
    The number is not important to me. I only wish I had killed more.




  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Okie RP fan View Post
    Power, right? The problem with "our" side is we have been unwilling to wield power like these people do. If not power, then violence. We've seen mixed results through history with that.
    As far as humans are concerned, violence, power, and authority are all intertwined. There is no guarantee "our" side can even defeat the tyrants, but the only thing of which I am certain is that it cannot be done without violence. Tyrants do not peacefully cede their authority.

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Okie RP fan View Post

    All true points, but what does spreading this stuff around do when we know she won't be fired? I wish I had a better answer, unfortunately we're all stuck in the mud while the marxists dance around us knowing they've had all of this carefully crafted for some time and are reaping the benefits.

    I'm not saying to lay down, either. I don't think that gets us anything at all.
    The Jews in Nazi Germany didn't have the internet, to help them see the writing on the wall. If they did, maybe they would have left, or fought back.

    If I were living in a leftist state this is about the time I'd be looking to GTFO. There is a path laid in these states and it's crystal clear where it's headed.
    It's all about taking action and not being lazy. So you do the work, whether it's fitness or whatever. It's about getting up, motivating yourself and just doing it.
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