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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    But all else is not equal, because no matter what 5 people are in the house, they're able to get and spread the Bug. And if I'm vax'd, and thus regardless of from whom I get the Bug, my symptoms will be less severe, why should I care?
    What we generally know about diseases in general, is that people with antibodies to a disease are less likely to be contagious with that disease, and to the extent they are, it is less severe and shorter in duration.

    Whether that applies to Covid specifically I would leave up to you to determine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    No argument here, I never intended to claim their logic was sound. Just that it was valid (or "coherent").

    I am personally inclined to believe the vaccine works however. In the absence of reliable data (of which we have none), I have to go with my basic understanding of biology. The mRNA vaccine is a new type of vaccine but I understand how it works and I see no reason why it wouldn't confer some level of immunity. It's likely not as robust as natural immunity, but it should confer some immunity nonetheless. There very well could however be long term side effects that are yet unknown from mRNA vaccines, which is one of the several reasons I have personally opted out of taking the vaccine.

    At the end of the day I don't care if the vaccine works or not however. I'm not taking it, even if it was 100% effective. I'm not going to live my life getting stabbed in the arm every 3 months for a $#@!ing flu.

    Great! I'm glad we confirmed how much overlap we have on the issue.

    The sticking point here is the open fact that the CDC changed the definition of 'vaccine' in 2015. So they're redefining terms whenever convenient, which comports entirely with my last post.

    But there was no rollout on that. The world at large was left still understanding that this was going to be like smallpox or polio - that the vaccine would actually confer immunity and you wouldn't catch the disease. Maybe that's ok with some people but there are too many of us who consider it dishonest (at best) to reset expectations a century after a concept was developed and put into practice.

    Also, I do get how the mRNA vaccines are supposed to work and in a proper clinical trial I think it's very interesting work.

    But it's also in a field that has been completely monkey $#@!ed since 1986 and has only gotten worse as time goes on. It's an objective fact, for instance, that there are more cases of polio contracted from the current vaccine every year, than there are cases of polio from wild poliovirus, and it has been that way for quite some time. The death toll from the COVID vaccine is in the thousands in the US alone, and just like every other report to VAERS, there isn't going to be any follow-up or further study on it.

    That situation has existed for 35 years. There was no reason to believe anything vaccine 'scientists' were saying decades before this whole debacle.
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  4. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    What we generally know about diseases in general, is that people with antibodies to a disease are less likely to be contagious with that disease, and to the extent they are, it is less severe and shorter in duration.

    Whether that applies to Covid specifically I would leave up to you to determine.
    Okay, that's relevant. I can understand that... but I'm still not seeing how an unvax'd person poses a risk to a vax'd person, unless the presumption is that we're trying to prevent everyone who has yet to get it, from getting it. Which would be insane - it's already widely accepted that this virus is endemic, and thus pretty much everyone is going to get it at some point or another...

    Honestly, given the nuance and subtlety of that explanation, I think that their assumption that we're just stupid is what's really behind this.

  5. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by RJB View Post
    The one thing I used to admire about the communist/socialists was their supposed resistance to corporatism and corporate influence, but hell, they have been by far the most gullible. People with fricken Che pictures all over are the most militant for Pfizer's hour long commercial breaks disguised as "news."



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  7. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post


    We're nearing their end game, apparently.

  8. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    The sticking point here is the open fact that the CDC changed the definition of 'vaccine' in 2015. So they're redefining terms whenever convenient, which comports entirely with my last post.

    But there was no rollout on that. The world at large was left still understanding that this was going to be like smallpox or polio - that the vaccine would actually confer immunity and you wouldn't catch the disease.
    Yeah, now, see, that's what immunity means. That word, like vaccine, riot, insurrection, inflation, capitalism, logic, ethics and about half the dictionary, no longer means what any five year old dictionary says it means. And yes, by the time the average idiots figure that out, it'll be much too late.
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  9. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Great! I'm glad we confirmed how much overlap we have on the issue.

    The sticking point here is the open fact that the CDC changed the definition of 'vaccine' in 2015. So they're redefining terms whenever convenient, which comports entirely with my last post.

    But there was no rollout on that. The world at large was left still understanding that this was going to be like smallpox or polio - that the vaccine would actually confer immunity and you wouldn't catch the disease. Maybe that's ok with some people but there are too many of us who consider it dishonest (at best) to reset expectations a century after a concept was developed and put into practice.

    Also, I do get how the mRNA vaccines are supposed to work and in a proper clinical trial I think it's very interesting work.

    But it's also in a field that has been completely monkey $#@!ed since 1986 and has only gotten worse as time goes on. It's an objective fact, for instance, that there are more cases of polio contracted from the current vaccine every year, than there are cases of polio from wild poliovirus, and it has been that way for quite some time. The death toll from the COVID vaccine is in the thousands in the US alone, and just like every other report to VAERS, there isn't going to be any follow-up or further study on it.

    That situation has existed for 35 years. There was no reason to believe anything vaccine 'scientists' were saying decades before this whole debacle.
    It's basically been medical fascism for at least as long as I've been alive.

    Imagine a perfect "free market", take the exact opposite of that, and that's the medical industry today.

    And VAERS is a $#@!ing joke. It's ridiculous that any organization would cite VAERS data as any kind of reliable source. And the Covid numbers in general have been toyed and $#@!ed with since the beginning, with $20k-30k incentives for hospitals to report "Covid" cases. Zero reliable data. Better off going with anecdotal data at this point.

    I haven't been to a hospital in 10+ years and so help me God I will not ever visit a hospital again in my life. My next hospital visit, will likely be my last.
    Last edited by TheTexan; 10-25-2021 at 08:00 PM.
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  10. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Yeah, now, see, that's what immunity means. That word, like vaccine, riot, insurrection, inflation, capitalism, logic, ethics and about half the dictionary, no longer means what any five year old dictionary says it means. And yes, by the time the average idiots figure that out, it'll be much too late.
    From since I was young, medical immunity always had some wiggle room. There are definitely attempts to change the meanings of words, but I don't personally see this as one of them.
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  11. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    The sticking point here is the open fact that the CDC changed the definition of 'vaccine' in 2015. So they're redefining terms whenever convenient [...]
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    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 10-25-2021 at 08:16 PM.

  12. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    Honestly, given the nuance and subtlety of that explanation, I think that their assumption that we're just stupid is what's really behind this.
    The simplest solution tends to be the correct one - Occam's Razor and/or banana
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  13. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    We're nearing their end game, apparently.
    We are certainly getting closer to the clocks striking thirteen.

    The finer (or even coarser) points of epidemiology, immunity, etc. are purely incidental and completely irrelevant.

    It's really just about power, control, and the elimination of non-compliance.

  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    I need someone to explain the rationale behind this vax hysteria to me, because I don't get it. Usually, even in their most incoherent, I can at least parse out a thread of reasoning in leftist arguments. But this vax thing absolutely mystifies me. It is admitted and understood that the vax'd can get and spread the Bug, and I get that the argument in favor of people getting vax'd is that they'll get a milder case of it (supposedly), but how is an unvax'd person a threat, therefore, to a vax'd person? Is the argument that the unvax'd person is passing a more virulent strain of the Bug, somehow, and thus the vax'd are somehow going to end up almost as tho' they are unvax'd? Because that doesn't seem to make logical sense. It seems that, granting that the rest of their arguments are legitimate, the only ones who are at risk are the unvax'd, which seems like a personal choice to me. And I also get the argument that the unvax'd will put greater strain on hospitals, etc. (I get it, but I don't agree with it of course because as we saw at the height of the pandemic in 2020 the only strain, broadly speaking, was on people needing specialized care outside of COVID). But I don't get, for example, the headlines that appeared after Powell died that, somehow, the unvax'd were to blame.

    So, can anyone parse out the logic here for me? Because this one is entering into the realm of Brawndo for me and, for as bad as it is, I didn't think we were there yet.
    The thing about leftist arguments is when there isn't really an argument to be had, 'because government says so' is usually all the logic they need.

    Add to that a general stubbornness of people to double-down rather than ever dare to admit they are wrong, and you've got the current situation.
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  16. #73
    Like all leftists he wants to force his beliefs on everyone no matter how much he says otherwise and this vaccine thing is the big one

    If they can make you do this or eliminate you then they can make everyone left do anything
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  17. #74
    LOL..

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    Dude knows what's up, lol..

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  18. #75
    Notice how he uses the word "insist," when he doesn't really mean insists. He means "compel by violent force."

    They always do that. They refrain from saying what they really mean when it comes to obviously unethical positions, and hide behind unobjectionable euphemisms.
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  19. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    I need someone to explain the rationale behind this vax hysteria to me, because I don't get it. Usually, even in their most incoherent, I can at least parse out a thread of reasoning in leftist arguments. But this vax thing absolutely mystifies me. It is admitted and understood that the vax'd can get and spread the Bug, and I get that the argument in favor of people getting vax'd is that they'll get a milder case of it (supposedly), but how is an unvax'd person a threat, therefore, to a vax'd person? Is the argument that the unvax'd person is passing a more virulent strain of the Bug, somehow, and thus the vax'd are somehow going to end up almost as tho' they are unvax'd? Because that doesn't seem to make logical sense. It seems that, granting that the rest of their arguments are legitimate, the only ones who are at risk are the unvax'd, which seems like a personal choice to me. And I also get the argument that the unvax'd will put greater strain on hospitals, etc. (I get it, but I don't agree with it of course because as we saw at the height of the pandemic in 2020 the only strain, broadly speaking, was on people needing specialized care outside of COVID). But I don't get, for example, the headlines that appeared after Powell died that, somehow, the unvax'd were to blame.

    So, can anyone parse out the logic here for me? Because this one is entering into the realm of Brawndo for me and, for as bad as it is, I didn't think we were there yet.


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  20. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Like all leftists he wants to force his beliefs on everyone no matter how much he says otherwise and this vaccine thing is the big one

    If they can make you do this or eliminate you then they can make everyone left do anything
    He's delusional in that he thinks he's the next Karl Marx. he even try's to emulate him in thought and appearance. Btw, he's aged terribly.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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  22. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    So, can anyone parse out the logic here for me? Because this one is entering into the realm of Brawndo for me and, for as bad as it is, I didn't think we were there yet.
    You've got some catching up to do. We're well beyond Brawndo territory, we're in Wonderland...

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    Angry



    Vaush is even worse. He wants to arrest the Unvaccinated.



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  25. #81
    Grow a vegetable, Vaush, then get back to us.

    He's just another in the modern trend of pseudo-intellectuals who provide no actual value to society.

  26. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by A Son of Liberty View Post
    Grow a vegetable, Vaush, then get back to us.

    He's just another in the modern trend of pseudo-intellectuals who provide no actual value to society.

    People like him should be physically removed from society.

  27. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy View Post
    People like him should be physically removed from society.
    Naw. The most dangerous varieties (like Chompsky) are actively baiting this. They know it won't work and all attempts/discussion along that line only makes them more powerful. Rather, we need to simply practice being free -- this is how the Old World vampires will wither away and vanish, like the fantasies they are. We don't need to destroy them, we only need to stop accepting their abuse and deprivation of our God-given liberty to manifest his image within us to the fullest possible extent. That process begins by identifying the abusers for what they are. If you think you need to lift a finger against them, they you misunderstand the order of things. They are the ones fighting gravity; they are the unnatural aberration which all of reality is inevitably self-correcting; they are the virus and they have always been beset on every side by the Cosmic immunity. We need do nothing but watch as they are eaten alive from within.
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  28. #84
    why is gandolff mad now...oh! people are breathn his air and tryn to eat his food...STARV 'EM!


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    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
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  29. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy View Post


    Vaush is even worse. He wants to arrest the Unvaccinated.
    How does this video not have more dislikes on it?? I was thinking it would already be ratio'd
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  30. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    How does this video not have more dislikes on it?? I was thinking it would already be ratio'd
    That's how you know you have ventured into deep leftist echo chamber territory.

    Thar be dragons
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  31. #87
    it's all in the protocols.

    they created the false left/right dichotomy.

    they ordered inoculations.

    it's all in the protocols.

    which are 100% authentic.
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  32. #88
    Noam Chomskey should be deprived of his money and forced to live out his days in isolation for being a Super Spreader of LIES. No Trial, No Jury.

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  35. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Noam Chomskey should be deprived of his money and forced to live out his days in isolation for being a Super Spreader of LIES. No Trial, No Jury.

    You can have no more freedom than you are willing to give another.
    Let's use the term "cranial virus" instead of "lies"... He keeps spreading cranial viruses and is unwillingly to stop - we should insist that he is isolated.
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