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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    How was that an accident? How did a gun fire without the trigger being pulled? This requires some liberal thinking skills.
    I believe he did admit to pulling back the hammer.
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  3. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I believe he did admit to pulling back the hammer.
    Yeah, I saw that part of the interview. He pulled back the hammer and then let it go. And that is one way to fire those old six-shooters. Surely if he is making a western he has seen someone fanning the hammer and shooting that way in another movie?

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  4. #123
    Piece of wood pulls hammer...


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHLS7VrBb3w
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  5. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I believe he did admit to pulling back the hammer.
    If it was not a "Slip Gun", https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slip%20gun

    he still needed to pull the trigger.

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    Which is more dangerous,? a Slip Gun,, or the person that would carry a Slip Gun?
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  6. #125
    I totally believe Baldwin would go around emphasizing that he did not pull the trigger, knowing that people would hear it and be so "shocked" just for free publicity.
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  7. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    If it was not a "Slip Gun", https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slip%20gun

    he still needed to pull the trigger.

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    Which is more dangerous,? a Slip Gun,, or the person that would carry a Slip Gun?
    One fact we know: there was a round under the hammer. It fired.

    I don't see how it makes any difference if Baldwin was pulling the trigger, but it appears he thinks it absolves him of some responsibility. He may be using the fact that those guns are prone to accidental firing if there is a round under the hammer, to try to make himself seem less negligent. But I don't see how that changes the facts. There was a live round, ready to fire. That should not have been there under any circumstances. He aimed it at the people, nothing changes that fact.
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  8. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    If it was not a "Slip Gun", https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slip%20gun

    he still needed to pull the trigger.

    Related Question


    Which is more dangerous,? a Slip Gun,, or the person that would carry a Slip Gun?
    Doesn't this potential always exist when the hammer is not fully drawn back and the trigger is not engaged yet ?
    "I am a bird"

  9. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    Doesn't this potential always exist when the hammer is not fully drawn back and the trigger is not engaged yet ?
    Yes. If the hammer is not drawn back far enough to lock, nor eased forward gently, yes, it can still move the firing pin.
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  11. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    Doesn't this potential always exist when the hammer is not fully drawn back and the trigger is not engaged yet ?
    Hammer has a Half cock. and full cock.

    Trigger must be depressed/released for the hammer to fall..
    A hammer in the un-cocked position over a live round could be slammed and fired.. (dropped or struck)

    Trigger releases both Cocked and Half-Cocked.

    unless the gun has been modified or worn out to an unsafe condition.

    I learned to quick Draw with Black Powder revolvers.
    I have a dangerous habit,,I draw with the trigger pulled..before I clear leather.

    My thumb becomes my trigger finger.

    I have never accidentally discharged a firearm.
    Last edited by pcosmar; 12-03-2021 at 12:23 PM.
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  12. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by sam1952 View Post
    Alec Baldwin “what could I have done

    You could have checked the damn gun yourself!
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    How was that an accident? How did a gun fire without the trigger being pulled? This requires some liberal thinking skills.
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Another evil gun "just went off". /sarc
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    I believe he did admit to pulling back the hammer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    I totally believe Baldwin would go around emphasizing that he did not pull the trigger, knowing that people would hear it and be so "shocked" just for free publicity.
    His lawyers should have told him to just STFU and stay off the public interview circuit.

    Or maybe they did, but his ego just couldn't resist.

  13. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Hammer has a Half cock. and full cock.

    Trigger must be depressed/released for the hammer to fall..
    A hammer in the un-cocked position over a live round could be slammed and fired.. (dropped or struck)

    Trigger releases both Cocked and Half-Cocked.

    unless the gun has been modified or worn out to an unsafe condition.

    I learned to quick Draw with Black Powder revolvers.
    I have a dangerous habit,,I draw with the trigger pulled..before I clear leather.

    My thumb becomes my trigger finger.

    I have never accidentally discharged a firearm.
    So my question is, on any average revolver [not modified], can you manipulate the hammer in any way where it will strike the firing pin with sufficient force to set off a bullet/cartridge without being restrained by the trigger mechanism. As in, can you pull it back just before it engages the mechanism and release in order to fire the round ?
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  14. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    So my question is, on any average revolver [not modified], can you manipulate the hammer in any way where it will strike the firing pin with sufficient force to set off a bullet/cartridge without being restrained by the trigger mechanism. As in, can you pull it back just before it engages the mechanism and release in order to fire the round ?
    A better question would be, did they bring an average revolver to the set of a film about something that happened 150 years ago?
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  15. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    A better question would be, did they bring an average revolver to the set of a film about something that happened 150 years ago?
    Good question. I do not for a second accept that a gun fires itself. The rest of the case can be debated but guns do not fire themselves.
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  16. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    So my question is, on any average revolver [not modified], can you manipulate the hammer in any way where it will strike the firing pin with sufficient force to set off a bullet/cartridge without being restrained by the trigger mechanism. As in, can you pull it back just before it engages the mechanism and release in order to fire the round ?
    From what you are describing,, No..
    The gun would be out of battery.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-battery

    Last edited by pcosmar; 12-03-2021 at 05:30 PM.
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  17. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    So my question is, on any average revolver [not modified], can you manipulate the hammer in any way where it will strike the firing pin with sufficient force to set off a bullet/cartridge without being restrained by the trigger mechanism. As in, can you pull it back just before it engages the mechanism and release in order to fire the round ?
    If the idiot who was pulling back the hammer already had the trigger depressed while he was cocking it, it would fire when the hammer was released.

  18. #136
    Whether loaded, unloaded, "safe," finger off trigger...

    It doesn't matter. You do NOT point a weapon at another individual. Unless you are sincere in causing harm or death.

    You may show me a gun is unloaded. You may allow me to recheck that it is unloaded. If at that point you STILL sweep me I'm going to lay you on your ass.



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  20. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    Good question. I do not for a second accept that a gun fires itself. The rest of the case can be debated but guns do not fire themselves.
    Correct. The hammer has a spring. Compressing the spring gives the hammer enough energy to set off the cap (we're talking pre American Civil War now) or drive the firing pin into the powder end of the cartridge. A double action links the trigger so it can push the hammer back. But one of those levers must be moved. The revolver doesn't capture any energy and use it to work any mechanism except what is manually applied to it.

    Baldwin had no respect for the gun or his victim. Neither one. The bottom line is this:

    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Whether loaded, unloaded, "safe," finger off trigger...

    It doesn't matter. You do NOT point a weapon at another individual. Unless you are sincere in causing harm or death.

    You may show me a gun is unloaded. You may allow me to recheck that it is unloaded. If at that point you STILL sweep me I'm going to lay you on your ass.
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  21. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    If the idiot who was pulling back the hammer already had the trigger depressed while he was cocking it, it would fire when the hammer was released.
    Cylinder turns as well,, as the hammer is drawn.

    Half way still moves the cylinder OUT of Battery. Won't fire. it's a Mechanical thing.
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  22. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Cylinder turns as well,, as the hammer is drawn.

    Half way still moves the cylinder OUT of Battery. Won't fire. it's a Mechanical thing.
    I just took my Colt Navy out and held the trigger down while pulling back the hammer. As long as I pull the hammer all the way back, before letting go of it, it will fire.

  23. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    I just took my Colt Navy out and held the trigger down while pulling back the hammer. As long as I pull the hammer all the way back, before letting go of it, it will fire.
    Where is the Cylinder lined up? at what point does it start to move? (Out of Battery)
    Fully back should line up the cylinder..

    I had a Walker Flash fire once.. (out of battery) Exciting,, but that is a drawback common to BP revolvers.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  24. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Cylinder turns as well,, as the hammer is drawn.

    Half way still moves the cylinder OUT of Battery. Won't fire. it's a Mechanical thing.
    It's a mechanical thing. Exactly. Mr. Baldwin, its behavior is much more predictable than yours. Crying doesn't change that.
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  25. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    I just took my Colt Navy out and held the trigger down while pulling back the hammer. As long as I pull the hammer all the way back, before letting go of it, it will fire.
    That is also how I learned to quick draw.. Finger on the trigger before it is drawn,, thumb draw the hammer back as I draw.

    Clear leather and release the hammer.

    Don't draw against me.
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  27. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    His lawyers should have told him to just STFU and stay off the public interview circuit.

    Or maybe they did, but his ego just couldn't resist.
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  29. #145
    I'm surprised Baldwin even did an interview. All he's doing is digging his own grave.
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  30. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Bet he'll start blaming the person that gave him the prop gun.
    How did you know? You must be psychic.

    Either that, or you've seen sociopaths with an exaggerated sense of entitlement squirm before.
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  31. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Second half of the middle paragraph.. if true... WOW.....



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    He contradicted the hell out of this eyewitness. If he was asked to point the thing at the camera and play with the hammer, the injured assistant director would know. I wonder if that person is more interested in his career, or justice?
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  32. #148
    Behavior Panel on the roadside interview:



    They're doing a live analysis of the Stephanopoulos interview in about an hour...
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  33. #149
    Stephanopoulos interview analysis:

    2 Sam. 12; John 6:38,39; Matt. 18:21-35; Rev. 2:5; 1 Cor. 4:20

  34. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    So my question is, on any average revolver [not modified], can you manipulate the hammer in any way where it will strike the firing pin with sufficient force to set off a bullet/cartridge without being restrained by the trigger mechanism. As in, can you pull it back just before it engages the mechanism and release in order to fire the round ?
    There is far too much variety to call anything an “average” revolver. There is single action and double action. There are a variety of models, especially more modern ones, that have additional safety features such as transfer bar between the hammer and firing pin.

    I just assume that he had some type of period piece, which would be a single action.

    Quote Originally Posted by luctor-et-emergo View Post
    Good question. I do not for a second accept that a gun fires itself. The rest of the case can be debated but guns do not fire themselves.
    You are correct, a gun won’t fire itself, but the gun can drop or be struck with an object such that it will fire, especially if it is an old western six shooter with the firing pin in contact with the bullet primer.

    Baldwin admits to pulling on the hammer. Releasing the hammer back too fast can be enough force to ignite the primer and fire the gun. Or he may have pulled the trigger at some point.
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