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    Justin Amash on How To End the Civil War in the Libertarian Party

    Justin Amash on How To End the Civil War in the Libertarian Party



    The only LP member to ever hold national office says the party needs to stop being gratuitously shocking and start making the principled case for limited government.

    Full text and links: reason.com/video/2021-06-25/Justin-Amash-on-How-To-End-the-Civil-War-in-the-Libertarian-Party
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    I don't have over an hour to watch at this time but my gut feeling is that most politicians take a stance for their careers or financial gain rather than their conviction.

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    JA wouldn't know a successful strategy if it hit him in the face
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    JA wouldn't know a successful strategy if it hit him in the face
    With no disrespect intended, what successful strategies are on your resume?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    JA wouldn't know a successful strategy if it hit him in the face
    I have to agree. The Libertarian Party is useless. Ron Paul learned this lesson long ago and and encouraged us to join forces with the Republican party back in 2007. He was right then and it still is the best way forward.

    In my opinion the GOP has improved as a party since 2007. I think is has become less liberal and more libertarian. I think our influence has helped make that happen. Too bad JA lost his mind and succumbed to TDS.
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    At the 33:00 mark, Amash starts to talk a bit about Gov. Whitmer. It was very mild criticism, but his lack of any public talk about his own Governor, one of the biggest tyrants in the entire nation, had been glaring during COVID. No worries though, as Gillespe quickly pivoted from that subject to spurring Amash to attack DeSantis.
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    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    With no disrespect intended, what successful strategies are on your resume?

    Oh boy. Here it comes.
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    Can someone break it down into bullet points? I'm not gonna watch an hour of Justin Amash.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Oh boy. Here it comes.
    He, he, he. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Oh boy. Here it comes.
    Cut him some slack. He's new here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    With no disrespect intended, what successful strategies are on your resume?
    Passing Constitutional Carry in more than one state, winning multiple elections, helping to launch Rand's first campaign for US Senate, winning caucuses and states for Ron in 2012, killing tax hikes, mandates, and a bunch of other stuff I have forgotten about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Passing Constitutional Carry in more than one state, winning multiple elections, helping to launch Rand's first campaign for US Senate, winning caucuses and states for Ron in 2012, killing tax hikes, mandates, and a bunch of other stuff I have forgotten about.
    Wow! I am impressed. If you have time please chime in on my concept of a cash society in the other thread.

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    This is what a "successful" strategy would look like.

    You would have libertarians like Amash running in his district. You would have libertarians like Massie running in his district. You would have libertarians like Rand running in his district. Anywhere a "purist" libertarian can run and win, they should. Or they can just run an educational campaign if that's what they choose. You would have libertarians running as Trump populists to run for President. You would have libertarians running as neocons to run in districts where they can get elected as such. You would have libertarians running as woke Democrats in districts where they can get elected. That doesn't mean they need to try and persuade people to those ideologies, they can just agree with them and round off the rough edges with some libertarian philosophy where they can get away with it.

    What they wouldn't do is destroy their political careers attacking each other.

    Only attack the people who you truly know are the enemy. Liz Cheney.. Mitt Romney.. Pelosi.. etc.. These are the people that really believe in their causes for tyranny and try to persuade the population and other politicians to band around it. Anybody else can be an ally on some things.
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    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."



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