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    Ivermectin trials faked numbers in 1/3 of trials?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809

    What do you guys think? Any validity to this article? They claim among other things that some of the patients' data was copied and pasted in some of the trials



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    Making Sense of the Science: Analysis of BBC Report by Ros Atkins Regarding Ivermectin

    https://bird-group.org/wp-content/up...bc-27sep21.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdsubball23 View Post
    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809

    What do you guys think? Any validity to this article? They claim among other things that some of the patients' data was copied and pasted in some of the trials
    It’s interesting in that such an effort to discredit and refusal to administer this drug is something that is almost unheard of. The government, media and drug companies have done everything the can to stop it. How many other drugs have they scrutinized this thoroughly, and this skeptically?

    Yet in reality, in almost all other situations, Doctors prescribe and distribute drugs like candy. There is little concern about effectiveness, side effects, addiction, etc. If a drug has almost no side effects like Ivermectin, they have no problem prescribing it almost like a placebo.
    “Take two aspirin and call me in the morning” comes to mind. The attitude, especially with a very safe drug, is usually “why not give it a try”.

    Something very fishy about this all-out, coordinated assault on Ivermectin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdsubball23 View Post

    I'm assuming all those studies are peer reviewed. I'm also guessing that not one of those studies was retracted. The fact that the article fails to list even one of the 26 studies by citation tells me I wasted my time reading a political article and not a scientific one.



    Quote Originally Posted by sdsubball23 View Post
    What do you guys think?

    I think you're a Marxist shill and someone's sock.
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    None of the rest show convincing evidence of ivermectin's effectiveness.
    And yet, they show evidence of ivermectin's effectiveness. The word "convincing" is a non-scientific value judgement term that's politically used when you don't like science. WebMD and the Mayo Clinic use it all the time on their consumer sites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdsubball23 View Post

    They claim among other things that some of the patients' data was copied and pasted in some of the trials

    ]
    Wow, the ole copy & paste, huh? I heard they used that when faking the moon landing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdsubball23 View Post

    In a further five there were major red flags - for example,...percentages were calculated incorrectly...
    Maybe those conspiratorial scientists gave 110% every day in the lab!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdsubball23 View Post

    In a further five there were major red flags - for example,...local health bodies weren't aware they had taken place.

    That sounds major. A local health employee not knowing about this should prompt another Warren Commission!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    ]
    Wow, the ole copy & paste, huh? I heard they used that when faking the moon landing.
    To be fair, the copy and paste they used to fake the moon landing, was cutting edge technology at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    It’s interesting in that such an effort to discredit and refusal to administer this drug is something that is almost unheard of. The government, media and drug companies have done everything the can to stop it. How many other drugs have they scrutinized this thoroughly, and this skeptically?

    Yet in reality, in almost all other situations, Doctors prescribe and distribute drugs like candy. There is little concern about effectiveness, side effects, addiction, etc. If a drug has almost no side effects like Ivermectin, they have no problem prescribing it almost like a placebo.
    “Take two aspirin and call me in the morning” comes to mind. The attitude, especially with a very safe drug, is usually “why not give it a try”.

    Something very fishy about this all-out, coordinated assault on Ivermectin.
    It does appear as if it's an assault against Ivermectin. I haven't seen too many recent mainstream news articles praising ivermectin.

    I remember the mainstream media tried to discredit using hydroxychloroquine as well last year

    How would you respond to the faked data claims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    I'm assuming all those studies are peer reviewed. I'm also guessing that not one of those studies was retracted. The fact that the article fails to list even one of the 26 studies by citation tells me I wasted my time reading a political article and not a scientific one.
    Yeah, I want to see the studies they looked at.

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    Obviously, we should trust ivermectin because its effectiveness is only shown in a few shoddy trials, rather than vaccines which have a body of research showing near 100% effectiveness at causing death at the start (albeit diminishing effectiveness as time wears on).
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdsubball23 View Post
    Yeah, I want to see the studies they looked at.
    No, you actually don't. The article is a hit piece citing conspiracy theories. It's long on speculation, but short on facts. The entire article is designed to sow doubt. The writers know that 99+ percent of the readers will never follow-up seeking the facts.
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    what is the verdict on injecting bleach into your veins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    what is the verdict on injecting bleach into your veins?
    Probably has about as much science behind it as the vaccine
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Bottom line seems to be that the BBC article was nothing but unsupported propaganda.
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