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Thread: My Reaction To A Conversation With Political Libertarians

  1. #31
    It’s time to stop infighting and unite around a larger enemy – the left. Anything else is national suicide.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    Promise, we have your back just as we did for Dr. Paul.
    Ain't it funny how "unity" only ever goes in one direction for these $#@!s?

    For all their jabber about how "it's time to stop infighting and unite" and therefore libertarians should join them, how often have they ever joined us? Of all the various electoral contests at various times over the years, there must surely have been at least some few in which the Libertarian candidate was the superior choice even by their own standards. Yet how many of them ever gave their support to those candidates - instead of mewling about how Libertarians are unelectable and therefore the Republican candidate must be supported, no matter how lousy he or she may be (only to then pitch a fit if the supposedly insignificant, irrelevant, and impotent libertarians ended up "spoiling" the election)?

    Hell, most of the bastards who were the loudest when it came to shouting about the Constitution and whinging about "the left" couldn't even be bothered to support Ron Paul when he had an "(R)" after his name, let alone when he had an "(L)" there ...
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 09-17-2021 at 09:37 PM.



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  3. #32
    Never mind that they can't get away with making the major party nominee He Who Must Not Be Named in the general election. We must vote for the name we hear most, because electability. Never mind the purpose of the primary is to carefully home in on the best your party has to offer. We have to go with the most talked-about before many states even vote because horse race and unity and picking winners and stuff.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-17-2021 at 09:41 PM.
    "Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out?"--Will Rogers

    "All I know is what I read in the newspapers, and that's an alibi for my ignorance."--Will Rogers



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Never mind that they can't get away with making the major party nominee He Who Must Not Be Named in the general election. We must vote for the name we hear most, because electability.
    I also remember "he's too old".

    But, Biden.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

  6. #34
    Someone should tell the author of the OP article that this is how to troll Libertarians:

    https://twitter.com/mexicansharpsh1/...66092685561868


    https://twitter.com/michaelmalice/st...66235510087687

  7. #35
    'Shrewdness in public life all over the world is always honored while honesty in public men is generally attributed to dumbness and is seldom rewarded'--Will Rogers
    "Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out?"--Will Rogers

    "All I know is what I read in the newspapers, and that's an alibi for my ignorance."--Will Rogers

  8. #36
    How often have the past few republican presidents let us down? Wars, massive debt, privacy violations, broken immigration, broken health care, lack of protesting of leftist policies, etc. And we are expected to support the republican ticket? If it's Rand Paul, I'm all for it, but not sure about anyone else at this point. Trump seems like a wildcard. But he's the one who started operation warpspeed which has led us to the current vaccine mandates.

    Maybe the republican party is our best chance regardless, but when will we see real and significant progress?

  9. #37
    Is it Festivus already?

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by sdsubball23 View Post
    Maybe the republican party is our best chance regardless, but when will we see real and significant progress?
    We're seeing all kinds of "progress". We're getting left progressivism and "conservative progressivism". Progressive is what the P in GOP now stands for. We are progressing toward fascist tyranny so fast there's no longer any need to ask, are we there yet?

    The GOP means nothing. They're not counting our votes anyway; it's not even a secret any more.

    Stick a fork in this republic. We couldn't keep it. We traded it for shiny beads, trinkets and a chance to piss off Chuck Todd one last time.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-18-2021 at 09:56 AM.
    "Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out?"--Will Rogers

    "All I know is what I read in the newspapers, and that's an alibi for my ignorance."--Will Rogers

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Ron Paul is none of those things
    I agree. Good luck convincing the author of the OP of that.
    Last edited by Invisible Man; 09-18-2021 at 12:20 PM.
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
    Ron Paul
    Congressional Record (March 13, 2001)

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Never mind that they can't get away with making the major party nominee He Who Must Not Be Named in the general election. We must vote for the name we hear most, because electability. Never mind the purpose of the primary is to carefully home in on the best your party has to offer. We have to go with the most talked-about before many states even vote because horse race and unity and picking winners and stuff.
    In a word, ... marketing. Hell, the article even goes so far and mentions that they have "brand name". Well, if brand name is what is takes then "brand name" your going to get. Let's just settle this here and now.

    Romney 2024. (GOP nominee). wow, that was easy.
    Last edited by Pauls' Revere; 09-18-2021 at 07:15 PM.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Ain't it funny how "unity" only ever goes in one direction for these $#@!s?

    For all their jabber about how "it's time to stop infighting and unite" and therefore libertarians should join them, how often have they ever joined us? Of all the various electoral contests at various times over the years, there must surely have been at least some few in which the Libertarian candidate was the superior choice even by their own standards. Yet how many of them ever gave their support to those candidates - instead of mewling about how Libertarians are unelectable and therefore the Republican candidate must be supported, no matter how lousy he or she may be (only to then pitch a fit if the supposedly insignificant, irrelevant, and impotent libertarians ended up "spoiling" the election)?

    Hell, most of the bastards who were the loudest when it came to shouting about the Constitution and whinging about "the left" couldn't even be bothered to support Ron Paul when he had an "(R)" after his name, let alone when he had an "(L)" there ...
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Occam's Banana again.

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    In a word, ... marketing. Hell, the article even goes so far and mentions that they have "brand name". Well, if brand name is what is takes then "brand name" your going to get. Let's just settle this here and now.
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Starts at 21 minutes 10 seconds:

    Thomas Massie says he stopped Pelosi suspending that very same Constitution which libertarians like Massie supposedly dislike, according to the OP. And Trump was blowing up his phone to tell him to let the bitch do it.

    I never liked that brand. Neither one of them.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-18-2021 at 07:43 PM.
    "Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out?"--Will Rogers

    "All I know is what I read in the newspapers, and that's an alibi for my ignorance."--Will Rogers

  16. #43
    Wait hold on....after all this time we're still talking about "the left" instead of the WEF, the UN and Agenda 2030????? Who the $#@! is dumb enough to keep thinking this is a two party political battle???????





    Clearly Klaus is much better bffs with Joe than Donald but what difference does it make. Every shot caller wasn't enthused with Donald as a person but he did his job. You vill trust ze plan.
    Last edited by devil21; 09-19-2021 at 01:18 AM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    That "OMG I'm shaking hands with Santa Klaus!!!!!!" expression on his face sure makes him look Alpha, doesn't it, @Swordsmyth, @phill4paul?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-19-2021 at 09:51 AM.
    "Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out?"--Will Rogers

    "All I know is what I read in the newspapers, and that's an alibi for my ignorance."--Will Rogers

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    That "OMG I'm shaking hands with Santa Klaus!!!!!!" expression on his face sure makes him look Alpha, doesn't it, @Swordsmyth, @phill4paul?

  19. #46
    And that is how we got in this mess.

    Any questions?

    Thomas Massie, if you defy direct orders from Trump and refuse to let Pelosi trash the Constitution, you must love Biden.

    This is your brain. This is your brain turning partisan...



    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    Ain't it funny how "unity" only ever goes in one direction for these $#@!s?
    No. Not funny. That's not funny, and neither is that one direction (whether you call it toward tyranny, into mass extermination, or merely Left).

    But DeSantis will take us Left more slowly!! He'll ease off the throttle until we're only doing Warp Speed®!! Biden lover!!!

    Gotta find someone alpha enough to win a modern election for Team Red. Gotta find someone alpha enough to win a modern election for Team Red. Hey! I found the perfect candidate to win a modern election!



    Get in line! Don't question Teh Presumptive Nominee!!
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-19-2021 at 12:00 PM.
    "Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out?"--Will Rogers

    "All I know is what I read in the newspapers, and that's an alibi for my ignorance."--Will Rogers

  20. #47
    "We need to roll back the State"


  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post

    No. Not funny. That's not funny, and neither is that one direction (whether you call it toward tyranny, into mass extermination, or merely Left).

    But DeSantis will take us Left more slowly!! He'll ease off the throttle until we're only doing Warp Speed®!! Biden lover!!!

    Gotta find someone alpha enough to win a modern election for Team Red. Gotta find someone alpha enough to win a modern election for Team Red. Hey! I found the perfect candidate to win a modern election!



    Get in line! Don't question Teh Presumptive Nominee!!
    You spend more time bitching and moaning about a possible, hasn't even declared, presumptive nominee, that is a Republican, or an ex-POTUS, that is an Republican, than about a stolen election or the Biden Admin. that's a Democrat Admin. Funny that.



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    You spend more time bitching and moaning about a possible, hasn't even declared, presumptive nominee, that is a Republican, or an ex-POTUS, that is an Republican, than about a stolen election or the Biden Admin. that's a Democrat Admin. Funny that.
    The ex-POTUS to which you're referring conspired with Nancy Pelosi to suspend the Constitution.

    So far, so far as I know, Chester the Molester is merely--merely--a scum sucking, bottom feeding, snake belly ducking, minority imprisoning child molester. He's not trying to ruin as many millions of lives for as many generations to come as the guy who conspired with Nancy Pelosi to trash the Constitution of the United States of America.*

    * Actually, the two are about equally bad, as they both front(ed) for the same cabal, and I'm tired of the pretense that there's a difference. We're clearly going to have to think outside the partisan box to make a soft landing of this fall.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-19-2021 at 07:20 PM.
    "Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out?"--Will Rogers

    "All I know is what I read in the newspapers, and that's an alibi for my ignorance."--Will Rogers

  24. #50
    We tried to make the GOP a party of the People, by the People and for the People. How far did we get? One Congressman and one Senator? We got a long ride in the short bus one time.

    We did a hell of a lot better in the state houses, and that fact is already giving us a chance to remain free and un-bodily-polluted. Federally, the GOP is either going to require a bigger invasion than we mounted in 2008-2012, or it's useless as tits on a boar hog.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-19-2021 at 08:16 PM.
    "Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out?"--Will Rogers

    "All I know is what I read in the newspapers, and that's an alibi for my ignorance."--Will Rogers

  25. #51
    This goes here:

    Who Do You Trusht?
    by L. Neil Smith

    The autumn of 1994 is almost upon us, and with it an election which may prove pivotal in the history of the United States. It will certainly be the most surreal the country's ever experienced. Ever since the abortive process that gave us Bill Clinton as President, Democrats have been emboldened to show us their true color -- red -- while Republicans can now be clearly seen draped in that hue which characterizes their political record best, pusillanimous yellow.

    Most people are unaware that there are different sets of rules for mixing and producing new colors, a special set for pigments and another special set for light. Under the strange rules by which such colors are mixed politically, the only result we can expect from mixing red and yellow is black -- the color of fascism.

    While Democrats have been busy fortifying America as a last bastion of central planning, the command economy, and Five Year Plans, Republicans have been ... well, perhaps what Thomas Jefferson should have said is that all that's necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to have another drink. That's exactly what I've seen Republicans doing every time in the last two years that I've turned on C-Span for a strictly Republican event, weaving and sprawling red-facedly with highball glasses slopping in their hands, congratulating themselves that they aren't quite as politically corrupt or personally disgusting as all the President's men and women[Democrats - CCT] -- and in whatever sober moments they experienced in between, blowing their noses on the Bill of Rights.

    A full recital of their dribbling honks and wheezes, from the approval of murderous Janet Reno to the vote on the Feinstein Amendment can be had almost anywhere you look. Democrats are bent on stripping America's 70 million gun owners of their last defense against mankind's two greatest natural enemies, government and freelance criminals. And Republicans ... well, they're having another drink.

    And yet ...

    And yet ...

    That number, 70 million gun owners, ought to have some meaning. Half that number, 35 million, is almost as many votes as George Bush got in 1992. One tenth of that number, 7 million, would have tipped the balance with plenty of room to spare. Republicans would realize this if they would stop listening to pollsters (who by inclination and education are predominantly Democratic in their outlook anyway) and recover from their alcoholic stupor long enough to remember that even if a majority of people favor some kind of gun ban, the Bill of Rights was written specifically to protect us all from the passing popular sentiment that is all that either major party's ideology consists of today.

    But they never have and they never will. And what that means is that those of us -- who care about the Bill of Rights and understand that it is the one and only thing remaining in America which keeps this country civilized at all -- have a long, hard pull ahead of us, creating an entirely new political movement which will use whatever power it obtains to enforce the highest law of the land, and to put those who break it -- because they're evil or simply because they're drunk -- in a concrete condo where they can't hurt anybody any more.

    By voting to destroy the Bill of Rights as they have consistently since Clinton was elected, Republicans have helped us make the case for that new political movement. They've helped by demonstrating -- clearly enough that anyone but a habitual drunk can see it -- the intellectual, moral, and historical bankruptcy of their own sodden, whimpering, hung-over approach to politics.

    Like a habitual drunk, they'll come crawling back over the next few weeks, promising tearfully that they'll never do it again, that they're reformed characters, that they've taken the pledge -- all the time they're peering dimly over your shoulder, trying to remember where they left that bottle the last time they were home.

    Don't believe them.

    Never believe any politician -- especially a Republican -- about the position he promises to take from now on with regard to the individual right to own and carry weapons, unless he first allows himself to be photographed at a shooting range, for public circulation now and until the sun burns out, firing a semiautomatic "assault" rifle and a high-capacity semiautomatic pistol.

    And for safety's sake, you'd better make him take a breathalyser test, first.


    L. Neil Smith is the award-winning author of 19 books including The Probability Broach, The Crystal Empire, Henry Martyn, The Lando Calrissian Adventures, Pallas, and (forthcoming) Bretta Martyn and Lever Action. An NRA Life Member and founder of the Libertarian Second Amendment Caucus, he has been active in the Libertarian movement for 34 years and is its most prolific and widely-published living novelist.

    Permission to redistribute this article is herewith granted by the author - provided that it is reproduced unedited, in its entirety, and appropriate credit given.
    https://lneilsmith.org/drunken.html

    As it was then, so it is still today ... and always will be.

    Republican politicians have a many decades long, storied history of betraying liberty loving people who make the mistake of actually btrusting them. So don't. The OP is typical partisan drivel.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    This goes here:



    https://lneilsmith.org/drunken.html

    As it was then, so it is still today ... and always will be.

    Republican politicians have a many decades long, storied history of betraying liberty loving people who make the mistake of actually btrusting them. So don't. The OP is typical partisan drivel.
    Thou shalt not listen to libertarians. They know how to fix this. Your Alpha Masters don't want it fixed.

    Nonetheless, I feel I owe phill4paul an apology. I could have put all this in terms he could understand, but instead I went all Muh Constitution. I'll try again.

    Gee, Phill, when did you fall in love with Pelosi?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-20-2021 at 07:07 AM.
    "Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out?"--Will Rogers

    "All I know is what I read in the newspapers, and that's an alibi for my ignorance."--Will Rogers

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Thou shalt not listen to libertarians. They know how to fix this. Your Alpha Masters don't want it fixed.

    Nonetheless, I feel I owe phill4paul an apology. I could have put all this in terms he could understand, but instead I went all Muh Constitution. I'll try again.

    Gee, Phill, when did you fall in love with Pelosi?

    Another one along the same lines but that hits even harder:

    The Sheep from the Goats
    by L. Neil Smith

    Libertarians, gun owners, and Libertarian gun owners have been arguing lately among themselves over what course to pursue following the passage of the Brady Bill and the Feinstein ban on certain non-automatic weapons. Both laws are blatantly unconstitutional and -- equally important in this context -- neither would have passed without the wholehearted assistance of Republicans in the House and Senate.

    My personal position has been that I will never cast my vote for any Republican candidate again, on the long-established principle of war that traitors must be punished far more harshly than any mere enemy.

    Instead, I will vote for Libertarians whenever I can.

    I will even vote for the lowliest, slimiest liberal Democrat -- a quantity I know all too well -- in preference to the treacherous Republican who may betray me again without warning, and probably will.

    If I absolutely can't stomach voting for a liberal Democrat, I will "cast a blank" -- not vote for anyone for that particular office -- because I know party organizations pay close attention to that sort of voter behavior, and sometimes they even get the message it conveys.

    But wait.

    Perhaps I have been a trifle hasty in urging this scorched-earth voting policy on others, without offering some more reasonable, less draconian alternative. Maybe there are good Republicans and bad Republicans, after all. Maybe what we really need is some way of telling the difference -- assuming that it really exists -- between them.

    To that end, I recommend that, whenever you're in a position (or can force your way into a position) to question one of these good Republicans -- especially if he protests that he had no part in passing these illegal gun bills, or he claims in general not to be one of a new breed of Clinton Republicans -- you ask him to prove it.

    Ask him when -- on what day -- he plans to introduce legislation to repeal the illegal Brady law and Feinstein ban on non-automatic weapons.

    Ask him when he plans a blanket repeal of all federal gun laws, not one of which is permissible under the United States Constitution.

    Ask him when he plans to deny federal funds to states, counties, and cities that pass and enforce laws of their own which are equally unconstitutional.

    Ask him when he plans to instruct the Chief Executive to arrest, indict, try, convict, imprison, and fine politicians and bureaucrats -- including his colleagues -- who have had any part of passing or enforcing such laws in contravention of the highest law of the land, the Bill of Rights.

    Ask him, since Republicans seem so fond of capital punishment, when he will introduce legislation providing that, whenever someone dies as the result of government violation of the Bill of Rights, the responsible public employee will face the ultimate penalty, himself.


    On a local note, ask him when he'll make himself available to be photographed -- for public distribution -- holding and shooting a non-automatic "assault" rifle and a high-capacity non-automatic pistol.

    But most of all, ask him if he's aware that there's a relatively new political party -- the Libertarian Party -- waiting in the wings (the fact is, it's been waiting there for more than 20 years) that will do each and every one of these wonderful, long-overdue things, with enthusiasm and style, if he and his "grand old party" continue to prove unwilling.

    If he sneers at your third party, ask him if he knows that, since the murders at Ruby Ridge and the massacre at Waco, especially since the passage of Brady and Feinstein -- written to "prevent" such atrocities by the nakedly fascist expedient of rendering the victims defenseless -- for anyone to associate himself with a party that planned, rehearsed, and helped execute and whitewash these supremely unAmerican operations amounts to the same thing as a German of the 1930s voting Nazi, on the grounds that "it's the only game in town".


    L. Neil Smith is the award-winning author of 19 books including The Probability Broach, The Crystal Empire, Henry Martyn, The Lando Calrissian Adventures, Pallas, and (forthcoming) Bretta Martyn and Lever Action. An NRA Life Member and founder of the Libertarian Second Amendment Caucus, he has been active in the Libertarian movement for 34 years and is its most prolific and widely-published living novelist.

    Permission to redistribute this article is herewith granted by the author -- provided that it is reproduced unedited, in its entirety, and appropriate credit given.
    https://lneilsmith.org/sheeprep.html
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

  28. #54
    I have to wonder just how many people who are complaining that Trump may end up the GOP nominee in 2024 are doing anything at all to prevent it? We're pretty good at circle-jerking ourselves but when it comes to activism we haven't had a good idea since the RP moneybombs. Even flying around in a blimp was more productive.

    Just sayin.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    Some of you still watch the news, and it shows.

    "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    I have to wonder just how many people who are complaining that Trump may end up the GOP nominee in 2024 are doing anything at all to prevent it? We're pretty good at circle-jerking ourselves but when it comes to activism we haven't had a good idea since the RP moneybombs. Even flying around in a blimp was more productive.

    Just sayin.
    To the issue of "voting":

    It is a complex answer to a complex question.

    Aside from convincing people across the land, which is a challenge in and of itself.

    There is a process at the local level, then state, then the national level. The system is designed to make it a challenge, but even within party ranks, claims of "voter fraud" still exist.

    At my local precinct level all the way up to and including congressional district, Romney was the chosen one. Through a lot of time and even more hard work, all of my RP delegates won. Of course they claimed "voter fraud", but that is the way the system is designed to work.

    Go on to state, the state delegation process occurs, and on to national where bound and unbound delegates attend.

    At the national level, this is where the meaningful corruption exists. Rules are voted on in prior, but do happen during, which can and will rig an entire election.

    All of that aside, the president is not king. Local is the most important election, school board, constitutional sheriffs, etc. But it still doesn't create a moral/constitutional form of governance, because everybody has different life experiences, ways of living, and their own ideas of how they want to represented.

    Worry about yourself, then your family, and then your community. If people become more self-reliant and abided by Natural Rights, nothing more than district should be important at all.
    Last edited by PAF; 09-20-2021 at 07:51 PM.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    I have to wonder just how many people who are complaining that Trump may end up the GOP nominee in 2024 are doing anything at all to prevent it? We're pretty good at circle-jerking ourselves but when it comes to activism we haven't had a good idea since the RP moneybombs.

    Even flying around in a blimp was more productive.

    Just sayin.
    And boom goes the dynamite.

    No one wants to pick up a rifle and start the fight for separation that is our only chance and hope.

    No one wants to bother with political activism and promoting candidates and ideas that has to go along with that fight.

    No one wants to be troubled by street activism.

    But everybody wants everything to change, overnight.
    "Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid." - Valery Legasov



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    And boom goes the dynamite.

    No one wants to pick up a rifle and start the fight for separation that is our only chance and hope.
    Who's stopping you?

    No one wants to bother with political activism and promoting candidates and ideas that has to go along with that fight.
    Been there done that, more than you could possibly know.


    No one wants to be troubled by street activism.
    Been there done that, more than you could possibly know.


    But everybody wants everything to change, overnight.
    The change that we seek will take just as long as it took for when this country was started up to this point - once it stops accelerating and begins reversing course.



    But, @Anti Federalist , feel free to hit it and start now, I did a lot of the work for you:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...nd-Information
    Last edited by PAF; 09-20-2021 at 07:18 PM.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

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