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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    That's the beauty of problem - reaction - "solution", isn't it?

    "They don't need to take this over to save those lives. We were already saving those lives without government help. If we let them get away with this power grab, we will regret it from now on."

    "How can you be so cold-blooded as to even think of that right now?!? People are dying!!"

    I guess it just doesn't pay to keep a calm head in a crisis.
    I don't consider your shrill "attack everybody that disagrees with me while offering no real solutions myself" attitude keeping a calm head.

    Edit: And the issue isn't just that people are dying. People are dying and the only solutions being offered by the fed are authoritarian. Desantis has been under attack for not pushing mask mandates, lifting lockdowns "too early" and now not pushing for vaccine mandates. Whether you realize it or not, Desantis is right on all of those issues. But the COVID stats in his state are used as whipping boy by the authoritarians. That's what's at stake.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 09-18-2021 at 03:48 PM.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    What if he did? Seriously? What uses of federal money do you find "acceptable" versus "unacceptable?" Here is an article on Ron Paul pork.

    Great. At least we're on the same page on that. The problem that we have right now is that Biden et al are actively blocking treatment options. Anything reversing that is helpful. I've asked you multiple times for actual solutions. You know, that "counter economics" that agorists are supposed to be famous for? Instead, you've just been acting political. Even negative politics is politics. Yes, I'm calling you out on your own theory.
    Here we go back to solutions.

    Here’s a solution, the only viable solution:

    Everybody, including voters, decides to stand on principle, and not entertain garbage such as in the OP. Everybody, including voters, demands to get rid of all of the MIC/MIC lobbyists. Everybody, including voters, decides to uphold and defend the Bill of Rights. All of them.

    Otherwise, your, and the voters “practical” solutions, mark the very end of the experiment in liberty.

    That’s not what you wanted to hear now, was it.

    Because doing the wrong thing is always much easier and more convenient, than doing the right thing.

    I am an Agorist for this reason: Left Jack Boot, Right Jack Boot, stay off of my throat, I will find ways as an individual to be as free as I can, without the help of “government help me save me do something please!”.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Here we go back to solutions.

    Here’s a solution, the only viable solution:

    Everybody, including voters, decides to stand on principle, and not entertain garbage such as in the OP. Everybody, including voters, demands to get rid of all of the MIC/MIC lobbyists. Everybody, including voters, decides to uphold and defend the Bill of Rights. All of them.

    Otherwise, your, and the voters “practical” solutions, mark the very end of the experiment in liberty.

    That’s not what you wanted to hear now, was it.

    Because doing the wrong thing is always much easier and more convenient, than doing the right thing.

    I am an Agorist for this reason: Left Jack Boot, Right Jack Boot, stay off of my throat, I will find ways as an individual to be as free as I can, without the help of “government help me save me do something please!”.
    Yeah...no. More politics. No counter economics. You fail as an agorist.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...reatments.html

    If you reduce the Covid-19 hospitalizations and death by 70-85% it makes it LESS deadly and a strain on the healthcare system than the common flu!

    But, of course there is just not enough monoclonal antibodies in the chain and The Fed. Gov. Biden Admin. needs to RESTRICT it's use.

    The states that have been using the monoclonal and keeping their numbers down are red states. The ones with no mask mandates, no business shut downs.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/15/healt...cts/index.html
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I'm having trouble following your logic. What I think your concern is that not that what Desantis is doing is actually wrong, but that you're concerned he'll get too much credit for it? This is about 2024 for you?
    ...
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Trust me, this is all about 2024 to the OP, yes.
    ...
    We could ask Phill, but I didn't see his OP mention DeSantis or 2024 at all.

    PAF mentioned DeSantis, but that has become about as common as E_D saying “Jarvanka” or Swordsmyth posting a “Trump” meme.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    We could ask Phill, but I didn't see his OP mention DeSantis or 2024 at all.

    PAF mentioned DeSantis, but that has become about as common as E_D saying “Jarvanka” or Swordsmyth posting a “Trump” meme.
    Phill brought up the state/fed government “solution”.

    I brought up DeSantis in Post #2, providing accurate information on the how/why/who initiated the government “solution”.

    But yes, let us not discuss the one who is front/center in the media, potential replacement in 2024. Because I am Agorist and choose not to play the game, we should all bury our heads, not understand how we got to this point, and praise/allow said replacement with a pathetic record such as his.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    ...
    I brought up DeSantis in Post #2, providing accurate information on the how/why/who initiated the government “solution”.

    But yes, let us not discuss the one who is front/center in the media, potential replacement in 2024. Because I am Agorist and choose not to play the game, we should all bury our heads, not understand how we got to this point, and praise/allow said replacement with a pathetic record such as his.
    I guess I’m not understanding your definition of “not playing the game”, as you seem to post quite a bit about potential 2024 candidates.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

    Proponent of real science.
    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.



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  9. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    I guess I’m not understanding your definition of “not playing the game”, as you seem to post quite a bit about potential 2024 candidates.
    The man doesn't care to play this game. Again.

    “Republicans are just as bad as Democrats” and “Neither party represents me” are two common phrases uttered by the politically puerile. It’s time to grow up.

    I have solidly libertarian values. In a perfect world, there would be a viable party of small-government constitutionalists that embraced the philosophy of live and let live. I would vote for that party. No doubt a lot of people would.

    Alas, we don’t live in a perfect world. We live in this world, with all of its flawed, imperfect people doing the best they can. I accept this world. Hardcore libertarians do not. As frustrating as it is to have conversations with avowed leftists/Democrats, at least they suffer from so much TDS and are so addicted to Covid fear porn that you expect their mushy brains to produce mushy ideas. Sure, they vote for the destruction of America – some willingly, some ignorantly – but it’s like witnessing a puppy wet the carpet. The puppy can’t help it anymore than cerebral flatliners can. I fully expect 40% of Americans to be worthlessly stupid. (See: Why voting should be harder, not easier.)

    Conversely, libertarians can help it. They value principles of limited government, personal responsibility, individual liberty, and the ability of a local community to meet most needs. I like all of those ideas, too. They can also rationalize most positions.

    So where is the disconnect? My friends will send tweets of stadiums and New York City marches with the chant of F*** Joe Biden ringing joyously in the foreground. It gives me hope that people are waking up. So I reply by commenting how I hope they all regret not voting for Trump. Amazingly, that is as repugnant as voting for Biden to them.

    These “enlightened” fools think they’re smarter than everyone else because they note that both establishment parties are corrupt. They point to neo-conservative and RINO politicians that are responsible for giving us both Bush presidencies, Bob Dole campaign, John McCain, and a Romney/Ryan ticket. Believe me, I hate it as much as the next guy. And guess what? Newsflash: You’re not a political savant for noticing how power corrupts – particularly in Washington, D.C. We all see it. What matters is how we respond to it.

    The answer to political corruption is not systemic collapse, as many “collapsitarian” libertarians desire. That’s exactly for what Black Lives Matter and other anarchist leftists advocate. Do you realize what is at the end of that journey? Chaos and misery. Thanks, but I’ll pass.

    The answer to political corruption is a correction of the system. We could start by voting for true conservative candidates. The values and governance as identified in the Constitution are infinitely better than whatever these smug libertarians are capable of envisioning. It’s almost like the establishment Republican party didn’t like the emergence of Donald Trump in 2015…gee, I wonder why? Was he an outsider that represented real Americans?


    In older history, the third-party vote has worked against both parties. Ross Perot gift-wrapped the 1992 election for Clinton and Ralph Nader arguably handed the White House to Junior. The problem now is that the juggernaut left has coalesced around identity politics. There is no longer a viable left-wing party because every idea has been absorbed by the monolithic, narrative-creating Democrat Party. Climate change is as embraced by Dems as the Green Party – what else do they have? The same goes for every other agenda.

    Any ideological rift in politics lives on the right. The Republicans have the money, name recognition, and most importantly, the best chance of stopping Democrats. For a realist like me, that’s all that matters. I can wish we moved to a flat tax – or outlawed federal income tax altogether – but a living, albeit incomplete wishlist beats the burning of that same list any day of the week. I ask again: What is so hard to understand about this?

    Libertarianism as a living political movement fails individuals because it is as rigid a doctrine as leftism. It therefore fails all of us because the result is less Republican votes (which, in turn, produces Democrat victories). My friends, who see through the scams of Covid, climate change, social justice, public education, and every other significant movement in lockstep with me, nonetheless stop an inch short in doing what’s best for the country. They can admit that Trump provided a much-needed shift in the landscape, but then comment on how he failed to build the promised wall (something the platform opposes anyways) or still pass trillion dollar stimulus bills. So what? And Biden is did build it? What am I missing?

    If nothing else, it’s certainly better than what Democrats propose and enact. I don’t know a single libertarian that is happy at present with the direction or leadership of this country. Joe Biden is the opposite of a libertarian candidate – he is as big government as people get.

    It’s time to stop infighting and unite around a larger enemy – the left. Anything else is national suicide.
    Can you, in light of this...

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Starts at 21 minutes 10 seconds:

    ...tell him why he should? Doing the same stupid thing over and over, expecting a different outcome, is the definition of what, exactly?

    Yeah, yeah. We know. Phill didn't even mention DeSantis (in this thread). He didn't disparage libertarians as non team players throwing elections to the greater evil (in this thread). He didn't say everyone who disagrees with him loves Biden (in this thread).

    Just because CNN spent 24/7 pretending to hate Trump, and is now spending 24/7 pretending to hate DeSantis, does not mean this heavily Big Pharma-sponsored governor is as big a tool as Trump turned out to be. Stipulated. You have done a fine job reassuring me.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-19-2021 at 01:22 PM.
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  10. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    I guess I’m not understanding your definition of “not playing the game”, as you seem to post quite a bit about potential 2024 candidates.
    Well, Brian, here it is:

    “Republicans” claim “The Bill of Rights!”, “The Constitution!”, “Biden/Democrats are evil bastards!” (which they are). DeSantis is well-loved, but Rand is unpopular/hated among Florida and other states.

    The “On The Records” are to show/prove that “republicans” have no clue as to who/what they are “voting”.

    Aside from DeSantis, they praise and love the likes of Cruz, and others on that list with pathetic records. I just came from a Trump-Humper forum this morning where they still praise Trump 2024!, and if not him, they want DeSantis or Cruz on the ticket. I mentioned Tom Massie, and the responses are: “he’s pathetic”, “he’s the most disgusting member in the Congress and we need to throw him out!”, and of course “PAF is a Pelosi sucking LIB”.

    Let the “On the Records” speak for themselves, what others do with the information is “On Them”.

    As I stated before: Let it not be said… It will take education and a ground swell of people to affect the change that you seek. I will help wherever I can, but the end result is, I will do what I must to circumvent what The People create for themselves.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

  11. #99
    “You must spread rep…@acptulsa”
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

  12. #100
    PS: @Brian4Liberty

    As I stated before, the "On The Records" are not only for presidential. They are congressmen, senators and governors, who are supposed to represent the people according to the CONstitution, most importantly The Bill of Rights.

    Individualism and Personal Responsibility, should be foremost, to attain a moral people.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

  13. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    PS: @Brian4Liberty

    As I stated before, the "On The Records" are not only for presidential. They are congressmen, senators and governors, who are supposed to represent the people according to the CONstitution, most importantly The Bill of Rights.

    Individualism and Personal Responsibility, should be foremost, to attain a moral people.
    You're an agorist. You're not supposed to dig up the truth about candidates. You're supposed to ignore them and hope they go away.

    Nevertheless, if you were to dig up the true dirt on some of the other team's candidates, and only the other team's candidates, the moderator wouldn't cross examine you. But no.

    Being a non partisan agorist, you need to stay in the agorist lane and pretend politics doesn't exist. Just a word to the wise...

    I may not be an agorist, but I was banned by this very moderator for saying some things about Trump that turned out to be about 117% true. So you can trust me on this.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-19-2021 at 01:42 PM.
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  14. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You're an agorist. You're not supposed to dig up the truth about candidates. You're supposed to ignore them and hope they go away.

    Nevertheless, if you were to dig up the true dirt on some of the other team's candidates, and only the other team's candidates, the moderator wouldn't cross examine you. But no.

    Being a non partisan agorist, you need to stay in the agorist lane and pretend politics doesn't exist. Just a word to the wise...
    LOL, well the very few times you will ever see me say this, I am an “equal opportunity” VETTER ;-) More to come, stay tuned… (they were also included in the previous 2016 that I did)

    I may not be an agorist, but I was banned by this very moderator for saying some things about Trump that turned out to be about 117% true. So you can trust me on this.
    Whoa, you were banned?! WTF!
    Last edited by PAF; 09-19-2021 at 01:55 PM.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Whoa, you were banned?! WTF!
    I expected you to be informed that I was banned not for telling the truth about Trump, technically, but for being just exactly as polite to his partisan fanboys as they were to me.

    Not today, I guess, so I'll just spin it myself.
    "Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out?"--Will Rogers

    "All I know is what I read in the newspapers, and that's an alibi for my ignorance."--Will Rogers

  16. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I may not be an agorist, but I was banned by this very moderator for saying some things about Trump that turned out to be about 117% true. So you can trust me on this.
    You too?
    There is nothing to fear from globalism, free trade and a single worldwide currency, but a globalism where free trade is competitively subsidized by each nation, a continuous trade war is dictated by the WTO, and the single currency is pure fiat, fear is justified. That type of globalism is destined to collapse into economic despair, inflationism and protectionism and managed by resurgent militant nationalism.
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  18. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I expected you to be informed that I was banned not for telling the truth about Trump, technically, but for being just exactly as polite to his partisan fanboys as they were to me.

    Not today, I guess, so I'll just spin it myself.

    Which basically amounts to the same thing really, doesn't it? Just sayin'.
    Chris

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  19. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    ...
    I may not be an agorist, but I was banned by this very moderator for saying some things about Trump that turned out to be about 117% true. So you can trust me on this.
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    ...
    Whoa, you were banned?! WTF!
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I expected you to be informed that I was banned not for telling the truth about Trump, technically, but for being just exactly as polite to his partisan fanboys as they were to me.

    Not today, I guess, so I'll just spin it myself.
    There you go again confusing which moderators take which actions.

    You also you seem to forget your ranting, quitting and demanding your own banning.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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  20. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    There you go again confusing which moderators take which actions.
    These things could happen in the absence of transparency, yes. Nice non-denial denial, by the way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    You also you seem to forget your ranting, quitting and demanding your own banning.
    Maybe it seems that way because one of us is fuzzy on the timeline. And forgetting what "if-then" might have been involved.

    Not that I'm anxious to play spin-counter spin with the Chiefs playing. Do carry on unmolested.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-19-2021 at 06:44 PM.
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    "All I know is what I read in the newspapers, and that's an alibi for my ignorance."--Will Rogers

  21. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    There you go again confusing which moderators take which actions.

    You also you seem to forget your ranting, quitting and demanding your own banning.
    And there you have it.

  22. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Phill brought up the state/fed government “solution”.

    I brought up DeSantis in Post #2, providing accurate information on the how/why/who initiated the government “solution”.

    But yes, let us not discuss the one who is front/center in the media, potential replacement in 2024. Because I am Agorist and choose not to play the game, we should all bury our heads, not understand how we got to this point, and praise/allow said replacement with a pathetic record such as his.
    Except you ARE playing a game and the game is playing with people's lives. You have no non government "solution" to the problem created by Biden artificially restricting treatment known to work against COVID. Your only "solution" is "Well...you can use other stuff over the counter." That's not a solution. That's redefining the problem. And then you tried the cheap emotional trick of "If you aren't against Desantis on this, you no longer believe in End the Fed." Whatever dude.

    I don't care about Desantis. But I'm pretty sure, based on his record in congress, that a governor Ron Paul would be doing exactly what Desantis is doing. Because while as a congressmen even though he railed against federal spending, he most certainly directed quite a bit of it to his district. And because you derailed the thread an important point has gotten missed. If the Dr. Fauci and his cronies actually gave a rip about saving lives then they would be pushing forward with every possible treatment and not just pushing authoritarian measures.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  23. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Well, Brian, here it is:

    “Republicans” claim “The Bill of Rights!”, “The Constitution!”, “Biden/Democrats are evil bastards!” (which they are). DeSantis is well-loved, but Rand is unpopular/hated among Florida and other states.

    The “On The Records” are to show/prove that “republicans” have no clue as to who/what they are “voting”.

    Aside from DeSantis, they praise and love the likes of Cruz, and others on that list with pathetic records. I just came from a Trump-Humper forum this morning where they still praise Trump 2024!, and if not him, they want DeSantis or Cruz on the ticket. I mentioned Tom Massie, and the responses are: “he’s pathetic”, “he’s the most disgusting member in the Congress and we need to throw him out!”, and of course “PAF is a Pelosi sucking LIB”.

    Let the “On the Records” speak for themselves, what others do with the information is “On Them”.

    As I stated before: Let it not be said… It will take education and a ground swell of people to affect the change that you seek. I will help wherever I can, but the end result is, I will do what I must to circumvent what The People create for themselves.
    Yeah....except this one action you're attacking Desantis on isn't a violation of the bill of rights and is arguably constitutional and is certainly no worse than what Ron Paul did in congress directing federal money to his district. You dig up some REAL dirt on Desantis? Fine. Cool. Nobody has a problem with that. I can't stand Trump. That's well known. But occasionally the "orange monkey", as @Anti Federalist calls him, did something I actually agreed with. You won't see me attacking Trump on criminal justice reform, for example, because he actually got that right. Same with negotiating an end to Afghanistan. Biden was right to pull us out. He just did the pull out in the most screwed up way possible. There is much nuance to politics and you seem oblivious to that fact.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Except you ARE playing a game and the game is playing with people's lives. You have no non government "solution" to the problem created by Biden artificially restricting treatment known to work against COVID. Your only "solution" is "Well...you can use other stuff over the counter." That's not a solution. That's redefining the problem. And then you tried the cheap emotional trick of "If you aren't against Desantis on this, you no longer believe in End the Fed." Whatever dude.

    I don't care about Desantis. But I'm pretty sure, based on his record in congress, that a governor Ron Paul would be doing exactly what Desantis is doing. Because while as a congressmen even though he railed against federal spending, he most certainly directed quite a bit of it to his district. And because you derailed the thread an important point has gotten missed. If the Dr. Fauci and his cronies actually gave a rip about saving lives then they would be pushing forward with every possible treatment and not just pushing authoritarian measures.
    Having just come though a bad case of COVID this is exactly my point.

    Being a small state, with a GOP government, I had pretty much everything at my disposal. Upon admission it was confirmed that lung function was decreased dangerously, my response was: "Throw the kitchen sink at this mess". The treating doctor then explained what parts of the kitchen sink would be counter productive to throw at this sickness right now, a course of action was decided upon and within 12 hours, I started showing signs of improvement.

    Anything that was needed was available to me, paid for by me by the way, and not artificially restricted due to cheap political fatwas from the likes of Biden or that turd Fauchi.

    Can someone explain to me why I'm supposed to hate DeSantis for standing up to the fedgov on this?
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  25. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I don't consider your shrill "attack everybody that disagrees with me while offering no real solutions myself" attitude keeping a calm head.

    Edit: And the issue isn't just that people are dying. People are dying and the only solutions being offered by the fed are authoritarian. Desantis has been under attack for not pushing mask mandates, lifting lockdowns "too early" and now not pushing for vaccine mandates. Whether you realize it or not, Desantis is right on all of those issues. But the COVID stats in his state are used as whipping boy by the authoritarians. That's what's at stake.
    No, there's more at stake than that.

    This gang is walking down the street breaking windows. And they're sneering at the people rushing in behind them to sweep up the broken glass before someone comes along barefoot, or with thin rubber soles, and gets cut.

    And the reason they're sneering is because everyone is so busy cleaning up after them, and the more windows they break, the busier everyone else gets. But it would be a damned sight more efficient use of everyone's time to put the gang's heads through one of those windows. Then it would be possible to actually get the mess cleaned up, because the gang would no longer be making it worse.

    DeSantis is right on a number of things. I'm glad. I hope his actions save lives. But there are people who will see him do some things right, ignore things he does wrong and pin the savior label on him. And the things he does wrong, like opening state hospitals and clinics, will do plenty of harm in the long run.

    It's problem - reaction - solution combined with good cop - bad cop. And while the "good cop" is sweeping up a few shards here, he seems to be scoping out more windows to break a bit further down.

    They didn't create this crisis to let it go to waste. And I don't like betraying those who will get sick in the future to get a plea bargain that will save those who are sick now. I'm sorry. I just don't like it. At all.
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  27. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Having just come though a bad case of COVID this is exactly my point.

    Being a small state, with a GOP government, I had pretty much everything at my disposal. Upon admission it was confirmed that lung function was decreased dangerously, my response was: "Throw the kitchen sink at this mess". The treating doctor then explained what parts of the kitchen sink would be counter productive to throw at this sickness right now, a course of action was decided upon and within 12 hours, I started showing signs of improvement.

    Anything that was needed was available to me, paid for by me by the way, and not artificially restricted due to cheap political fatwas from the likes of Biden or that turd Fauchi.

    Can someone explain to me why I'm supposed to hate DeSantis for standing up to the fedgov on this?
    Don't expect anything but crickets on this.


    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    No, there's more at stake than that.

    This gang is walking down the street breaking windows. And they're sneering at the people rushing in behind them to sweep up the broken glass before someone comes along barefoot, or with thin rubber soles, and gets cut.

    And the reason they're sneering is because everyone is so busy cleaning up after them, and the more windows they break, the busier everyone else gets. But it would be a damned sight more efficient use of everyone's time to put the gang's heads through one of those windows. Then it would be possible to actually get the mess cleaned up, because the gang would no longer be making it worse.

    DeSantis is right on a number of things. I'm glad. I hope his actions save lives. But there are people who will see him do some things right, ignore things he does wrong and pin the savior label on him. And the things he does wrong, like opening state hospitals and clinics, will do plenty of harm in the long run.

    It's problem - reaction - solution combined with good cop - bad cop. And while the "good cop" is sweeping up a few shards here, he seems to be scoping out more windows to break a bit further down.

    They didn't create this crisis to let it go to waste. And I don't like betraying those who will get sick in the future to get a plea bargain that will save those who are sick now. I'm sorry. I just don't like it. At all.
    Dude, you act like Desantis invented state hospitals. Those existed before you were born. Enough with the hyperbole.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  28. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Don't expect anything but crickets on this.




    Dude, you act like Desantis invented state hospitals. Those existed before you were born. Enough with the hyperbole.
    Go along to get along--down the road to tyranny.

    This isn't hyperbole. When a young woman I knew is lying dead of heart failure after getting jabbed, you can bet I consider it serious business.

    Tyranny may be hyperbolic in its onset, but that doesn't make efforts to fight it hyperbole. Despite his name, DeSantis is no saint. Standing up to the federal government is an outstanding thing. But I've had enough warp speed.

    You're playing a game with people's lives, too, if you say I like the way this guy rations stuff better than the way that guy rations stuff. Is there a better practical choice? Maybe not. But maybe there is.

    Prohibition ended. People could finally stop saying, gee, I wish that boss would take this neighborhood over as he kills less people than this boss. With all these people carrying the Super Spreader Super Mutator Shot® this problem won't be going away soon. Long term harm for short term gain will kill more in the end. Someone has to think beyond the end of this week.

    Call me what you want for saying it, but the new boss smells the same as the old boss. Take the bones he throws us, by all means. But don't go hanging around his door when he stops throwing bones and rolls up his newspaper.

    Excuse me for pissing on the party. But that needed to be said.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-20-2021 at 08:05 AM.
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  29. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Go along to get along--down the road to tyranny.

    This isn't hyperbole. When a young woman I knew is lying dead of heart failure after getting jabbed, you can bet I consider it serious business.

    Tyranny may be hyperbolic in its onset, but that doesn't make efforts to fight it hyperbole. Despite his name, DeSantis is no saint. Standing up to the federal government is an outstanding thing. But I've had enough warp speed.

    You're playing a game with people's lives, too, if you say I like the way this guy rations stuff better than the way that guy rations stuff. Is there a better practical choice? Maybe not. But maybe there is.

    Prohibition ended. People could finally stop saying, gee, I wish that boss would take this neighborhood over as he kills less people than this boss. With all these people carrying the Super Spreader Super Mutator Shot® this problem won't be going away soon. Long term harm for short term gain will kill more. Someone has to think beyond the end of this week.

    Call me what you want for saying it, but the new boss smells the same as the old boss. Take the bones he throws us, by all means. But don't go hanging around his door when he stops throwing bones and rolls up his newspaper.
    So you know someone that's dead from being jabbed with the vaccine or jabbed with monoclonal antibodies? If it's the monoclonal antibodies that's the first I've heard of this. If it's the vaccine....well then you're fighting the wrong fight. The best defense against the tyranny of universal vaccination is to have other options besides vaccination. And that's a totally separate issue to whether or not Desantis is satan incarnate or whatever you think he is. And no. I'm not playing games with people's lives. Quite the opposite. It's not about "rationing." It's about increasing the supply. Biden bought up all the regeneron. Desantis has now gone to other companies producing other versions of the same thing. So the supply is increasing, not decreasing, thanks to Desantis' actions. You really have no idea what you are talking about.

    https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/gov...from-drugmaker
    Last edited by jmdrake; 09-20-2021 at 08:08 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  30. #116
    double post
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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  31. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Except you ARE playing a game and the game is playing with people's lives. You have no non government "solution" to the problem created by Biden artificially restricting treatment known to work against COVID. Your only "solution" is "Well...you can use other stuff over the counter." That's not a solution. That's redefining the problem. And then you tried the cheap emotional trick of "If you aren't against Desantis on this, you no longer believe in End the Fed." Whatever dude.

    I don't care about Desantis. But I'm pretty sure, based on his record in congress, that a governor Ron Paul would be doing exactly what Desantis is doing. Because while as a congressmen even though he railed against federal spending, he most certainly directed quite a bit of it to his district. And because you derailed the thread an important point has gotten missed. If the Dr. Fauci and his cronies actually gave a rip about saving lives then they would be pushing forward with every possible treatment and not just pushing authoritarian measures.

    Look, dude, ^^ Government has NO business in Healthcare, Providing, or Rationing ^^

    I don't agree with Walter Block on every issue, but the man in the boat scenario... listen to it. May the best man win (and no, I am not advocating people die).
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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  32. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Don't expect anything but crickets on this.

    Dude, you act like Desantis invented state hospitals. Those existed before you were born. Enough with the hyperbole.

    Oh, so...perpetuate the problem. That's rich.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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  33. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Look, dude, ^^ Government has NO business in Healthcare, Providing, or Rationing ^^

    I don't agree with Walter Block on every issue, but the man in the boat scenario... listen to it. May the best man win (and no, I am not advocating people die).
    That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But a governor Ron Paul, based on his record as a congressman, would be doing exactly what Governor Desantis is doing and that is taking steps to make sure the people in his state had access to necessary treatment.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  34. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Oh, so...perpetuate the problem. That's rich.
    Letting people die for no reason. That's rich.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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