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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    I'm sorry, but I'm having trouble finding anything that even resembles "Biden good" in anything @PAF has posted. Could you please be so kind as to point it out for me? Thanks.
    He seems to be seeing things that aren't there. Meanwhile, he's not seeing things...

    Quote Originally Posted by DCarteer View Post
    ...that are there.
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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Why do you keep reverting to, doesn't like Team Red, must like Team Blue?

    Is that your default position? Do you just snap back to that every time you reboot?

    How do we give you an infraction for popping off with these insults?

    There's only two things required to dislike both DeSantis and Chester the Molester: Eyes and brains.
    Why change the subject to "team red" when the thread subject is "team blue" (aka Biden)? Didn't PAF already create a thread dedicated to criticizing DeSantis?
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Why change the subject to "team red"...
    The phrase "warp speed" isn't in the thread title?

    Did we think Phil's a Trekkie?

    Maybe the man can't tell 'em apart without a program, or separate 'em without a crowbar. I know I can't.
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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    I'm sorry, but I'm having trouble finding anything that even resembles "Biden good" in anything @PAF has posted. Could you please be so kind as to point it out for me? Thanks.
    That was hyperbole, to emphasize the fact that changing the subject to "team red" when the issue is Biden starts to smell a bit like distracting from what Biden is doing. And called it a simply a "threat" is de-emphasizing.

    So back on the thread subject, do you agree with government rationing a drug that seems to be effective savings lives, for what appears to be punish "team red" reasons?
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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    So back on the thread subject, do you agree with government rationing a drug that seems to be effective savings lives, for what appears to be punish "team red" reasons?
    Please, please, please tell me that's a rhetorical question. The man can't go along with whatever New York liberal/Big Pharma tool the MSM is pretending to hate most just because he has the right capital letter next to his name, but you expect him to slobber on massive interventions in the free market for the same lame reason?

    @Bryan, judging by how many members vanished in 2016, and the fact nobody learned a damned thing from that, don't expect there to be anything left of this place by 2025.
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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    @Bryan, judging by how many members vanished in 2016, and the fact nobody learned a damned thing from that, don't expect there to be anything left of this place by 2025.
    A lot of good posters "vanished" because they were banned.

    This forum has gone through several such dark ages.

    I've survived just barely, and I'm probably the highest-quality poster on this board.
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  9. #37
    Meanwhile the inmates get to break up the fights.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...26#post7059626

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  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Yeah, we get it. Biden good (only a threat), DeSantis bad.
    @Brian4Liberty , you don't get it. Allow me to explain:

    He is "threatening" to restrict monoclonal, so that other states, BLUE and Red, will cry, moan and HOP on the Federally Funded bandwagon. The two-headed single snake.
    Biden's "threat" is so that the republicans will shout: "Bastard evil Biden, we must have [federally paid] monoclonal!". And most republicans will be urging their state to want it using federal coffers.

    It was bad enough that Trump swindled republicans into thinking OWS was a good thing, creating a new federal agency and nationalizing what should have been privatized - not on the tax-payer dime. Biden follows up, makes an idle "threat", so that "states rights" kick in for those red states, taking federal dollars to get the monoclonal like DeSantis did with Florida.

    Get it straight - I have NO love for the likes of Biden or any democrat. But when "republicans" do the same, it is our job to point out the hypocrisy - not make excuses, let it slide and embrace it.

    I don't know how to make it clearer than when I said "2-headed single snake": republicans (one head), democrats (other head) = one single corporate government.
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  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    That was hyperbole, to emphasize the fact that changing the subject to "team red" when the issue is Biden starts to smell a bit like distracting from what Biden is doing. And called it a simply a "threat" is de-emphasizing.

    So back on the thread subject, do you agree with government rationing a drug that seems to be effective savings lives, for what appears to be punish "team red" reasons?
    Nothing was changed.

    DeSantis On The Record is one thread.

    Where's the "Operation Warp Speed" for monoclonal antibodies? is another thread.

    I simply pointed out that taking federal dollars for what should be between patient/doctor/private practice is wrong and cited an example of who did it and how.

    Government has NO business in 1. healthcare, 2. providing or 3. rationing. It is up to the Free Market to determine that - NOT using state or federal dollars.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Nothing was changed.

    DeSantis On The Record is one thread.

    Where's the "Operation Warp Speed" for monoclonal antibodies? is another thread.

    I simply pointed out that taking federal dollars for what should be between patient/doctor/private practice is wrong and cited an example of who did it and how.

    Government has NO business in 1. healthcare, 2. providing or 3. rationing. It is up to the Free Market to determine that - NOT using state or federal dollars.
    Ever read Go Set a Watchman by Harper Lee? Know why that book was officially despised?

    It's about a young woman throwing a hissy because she catches her father being practical. And the reason Theye don't want you to read it is because the young liberal airhead is considerably more conservative than any Team Red Guy on this forum. That's how far wrong we've gone. We don't know how well things work when government doesn't do them. The idea doesn't even occur to people.

    GOP primary voters keep obediently falling in love with whoever gets whined about most on CNN, been doing it since CNN was founded nearly forty years ago, and they're threatening to lock us up and inject us with unidentified stuff that causes inflammation, suppresses the immune system, and is delivered by graphene nanotubes.

    What was that famous definition of insanity, again?

    I don't care who CNN talks smack about the most, particularly if he's cashing paychecks from Big Pharma. If I can't find a good He Who Must Not Be Named, the GOP can take a flying leap.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-16-2021 at 05:35 PM.
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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    My personal-private physician and I will determine what is best for me. I don’t want or need Lobbyists or the Fed to feed me crap on the nationalistic healthcare tax payer dime what it thinks is best for me.
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Government has NO business in healthcare.


    - Top Donor Of Gov. Ron DeSantis Is Regeneron Investor. Citadel CEO Ken Griffin has donated $10.75 million to a political committee that supports DeSantis. He also donated $5.75 million in 2018 and $5 million last April.

    Citadel’s investment in Regeneron is a tiny fraction of its overall $39 billion in investments, but if the stock price were to go up, Citadel would benefit. DeSantis spokeswoman Christina Pushaw points out that Citadel has far greater investments in Moderna and Pfizer, which manufacture COVID-19 vaccines.

    DeSantis announced on Wednesday the opening of another monoclonal antibody treatment center at C.B. Smith Park in Pembroke Pines. Another site is opening on August 21 at Tropical Park in Southwest Miami-Dade. The state plans to have 21 open by next week. The federal government is paying for the monoclonal antibody treatments and patients aren’t being charged for the antibody cocktail.

    The Citadel CEO, a billionaire, has donated tens of millions of dollars to other conservative candidates and political committees across the country. He was raised in Florida and is building an oceanfront mansion near Trump’s Palm Beach Mar-a-Lago resort.


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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Oh, that's right, you're the agorist. The one that believes you should shun politics and if everyone did as well government would go away and you would be free to grow sunflowers in your back yard.

    Step the $#@! aside. If you believe that $#@! then get off this site. Go live your life and quit wasting your time here.

    Globalists love you. Because even though you believe yourself to be "pure." Every day and everyway you empower them. Your very interaction on this site does.

    So schtap with your bull$#@! already.

    Next thing you'll be telling us to drive around without an license plate, and expecting it to end in your favor.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Instead of “warp speed”, the Biden Admin will call it “slow boat”...

    Biden Admin Limiting Supply Of Monoclonal Antibodies In 7 Southern States
    In a perfect world the free market would solve everything. But the world ain't perfect. It doesn't matter how much you and your doctor might want to choose monoclonal antibodies or ivermectin or fill-in-the-blank. If it's unavailable it's unavailable. And regardless of what role someone thinks the government should play in medicine, it is quite telling that they are only pushing "solutions" that lead to greater tyranny. So I support governors making more options available. And I also support free-marketters putting their heads together to come up with ways to make more options available.
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  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    ...
    Biden's "threat" is so that the republicans will shout: "Bastard evil Biden, we must have [federally paid] monoclonal!". And most republicans will be urging their state to want it using federal coffers.
    So Biden is playing 3d chess? It’s a possibility.

    I tend to believe that Biden and friends want to wring every penny out of vaccines, and ensure that there is no one left who didn't get a vaccine (as a control group), before they will encourage COVID treatments. Thus they attack hydroxychoriquin, ivermectin, and even discourage use of big pharma’s monoclonal antibodies (at least for now).

    Is anyone on this forum advocating for government to pay for monoclonal antibodies? I oppose government paying for any of it. I also oppose government rationing, controlling or blocking a market, which is why I oppose Biden doing that.

    It was bad enough that Trump swindled republicans into thinking OWS was a good thing, creating a new federal agency and nationalizing what should have been privatized - not on the tax-payer dime.
    One of Trump’s many sins, which I opposed.

    Get it straight - I have NO love for the likes of Biden or any democrat. But when "republicans" do the same, it is our job to point out the hypocrisy - not make excuses, let it slide and embrace it.
    Which Republicans were mentioned in the OP that want government to pay for it?

    I don't know how to make it clearer than when I said "2-headed single snake": republicans (one head), democrats (other head) = one single corporate government.
    I don't disagree. There is a crony kleptocracy that envelopes most of the elected politicians and the bureaucracy. It’s in my sig line on every post. But I also must point out that there are a handful of good GOP members of Congress (and Ron Paul was one of them). There have also been a few Democrats that are not corporate crony whores, but I tend to disagree with them on socialism and fiscal policy.

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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    A lot of good posters "vanished" because they were banned.

    This forum has gone through several such dark ages.

    I've survived just barely, and I'm probably the highest-quality poster on this board.
    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TheTexan again.
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    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Isn't agorist just a fancy word for doormat?
    I thought those were the homeless guys that wash windshields .
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  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    In a perfect world the free market would solve everything. But the world ain't perfect. It doesn't matter how much you and your doctor might want to choose monoclonal antibodies or ivermectin or fill-in-the-blank. If it's unavailable it's unavailable. And regardless of what role someone thinks the government should play in medicine, it is quite telling that they are only pushing "solutions" that lead to greater tyranny. So I support governors making more options available. And I also support free-marketters putting their heads together to come up with ways to make more options available.
    Thank Christ a voice of reason.

    +rep

    All I see happening here is the fedgoov exercising illegitimate authority to ration and ban lifesaving treatments that will end up killing people, based on politics.

    There is another word for that: genocide.

    Thank Christ those treatments were not withheld from me over the last week or I would probably be dead now.
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  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Thank Christ a voice of reason.

    +rep

    All I see happening here is the fedgoov exercising illegitimate authority to ration and ban lifesaving treatments that will end up killing people, based on politics.

    There is another word for that: genocide.

    Thank Christ those treatments were not withheld from me over the last week or I would probably be dead now.
    Say good riddens to "End the Fed".

    I could be wrong, but I think you are missing the point that Florida and other states are receiving monoclonal using federal dollars, while the state is propping up more government medical facilities. And the fact that Moderna, Pfizer AND Monoclonal investors are lining the pockets of politicians.

    Government has NO business in 1. Healthcare, 2. Supplying or 3. Rationing

    Until people get that, round and round we go, and more powerful the government and crony corporatism becomes.
    Last edited by PAF; 09-17-2021 at 11:12 AM.
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    An Agorist Primer

  20. #47
    Nobody said anything about teams before B4L brought it up.
    DeSantis is on the same team as Biden. The team that is looking for political expediency.
    He did all the restrictions in the beginning. He pivoted when he saw there was political gain from doing so.
    Joke's on him, though, since the infrastructure to prevent Republicans from ever gaining the white house ever again is all in place.

    I don't know about bans in 2016. It seems to me a lot of this forum lost its appetite when a similar thing happened years earlier, when Rand was supposed to be our savior, then adopted some terrible positions, and we weren't allowed to talk about it.

    The template political position that brought us all together was End the Fed, bring all troops home now (we still understand that to mean ALL of them, not just the ones that managed to catch a ride), destroy the CIA and other unconstitutional law enforcement agencies, end the drug war immediately, eliminate federal income taxes, end gun control, et cetera.

    DeSantis is on a completely different planet from that position. Pointing that out is the only hope we have in finding someone else we can all rally behind.

    The 9-year failure to do that is why people like PAF and I don't participate in politics. There's no point.
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  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Say good riddens to "End the Fed".

    I could be wrong, but I think you are missing the point that Florida and other states are receiving monoclonal using federal dollars, while the state is propping up more government medical facilities. And the fact that Moderna, Pfizer AND Monoclonal investors are lining the pockets of politicians.

    Government has NO business in 1. Healthcare, 2. Supplying or 3. Rationing

    Until people get that, round and round we go, and more powerful the government and crony corporatism becomes.
    I believe everyone gets that point, and does not want government involved in any way.

    But the other point, as AF points out, is that It's important that people not be denied, by government, life savings drugs, whether ivermectin or monoclonal antibodies or anything else. Anyone with Covid would probably be willing to pay a reasonable cash amount for a treatment. Get government and insurance out of the equation. Let the free market meet the demand.
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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    Nobody said anything about teams before B4L brought it up.
    ...
    And I mention that because in Biden's Vax mandate speech, he literally said be was going to go after red states that don't do his bidding. The next thing you know, he is talking about cutting the supply of life saving drugs to red states. It's a part of the OP story.

    Is that all a big political game? Maybe, but that doesn't matter to someone who needs a life saving drug.
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  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    I Get government and insurance out of the equation. Let the free market meet the demand.
    Wake me up when DeSantis or anyone else CNN whines about daily (but never fails to mention by name) helps you out with that project. I'll be over here not holding my breath.
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  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post

    Is that all a big political game? Maybe, but that doesn't matter to someone who needs a life saving drug.
    I support the Free Market: SMUGGLE.

    Funny how anti-abortion laws, anti-drug laws, etc. etc., people are able to get what they want/need and circumvent the system, but when we Agorists suggest such things in the quest for Freedom, Liberty and Fiscal Responsibility, the STATISTS so-called liberty advocates are the first to shoot us down.
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  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Is that all a big political game? Maybe, but that doesn't matter to someone who needs a life saving drug.
    I get that, which brings me to this point....

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I support the Free Market: SMUGGLE.
    Yeah, does anyone else remember those couple times when state-level preemption laws were toyed with?
    I think it was Montana where they were trying to pass a bill that would make any firearm produced in-state would be considered exempt from federal gun laws.
    If DeSantis was on our 'team', he'd do something like ask the legislature to pass a bill exempting monoclonal antibodies produced in Florida and used in Florida from federal oversight. And he'd ask the bill to have teeth.

    Threatening to fine everyone who enforces vax mandates is a step in that direction. Every step he takes in that direction makes us warm up to the guy.

    You know you're really on the side of liberty when you get Debra Medina'd and get a nice fat RINO shiv between your shoulder blades. Until that happens, DeSantis is not to be trusted, and neither is Abbot.
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  27. #53
    DeSantis to purchase monoclonals directly from manufacturer. Will Biden move to stop it from happening?

    DeSantis called the change a raw deal and vowed to work directly with drug company GlaxoSmithKline to circumvent federal officials by purchasing its monoclonal treatment, Sotrovimab.

    "The federal government has bought all the Regeneron," DeSantis said. "We are not able to buy it directly from Regeneron given that. We do think we can order some Sotrovimab and we will do that if we can."

    The governor has opened 25 monoclonal sites in the Sunshine State. His office has said Florida needs about 72,000 doses weekly to meet demand. This week's allotment is less than half that -- about 31,000.
    https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/gov...from-drugmaker

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    DeSantis to purchase monoclonals directly from manufacturer. Will Biden move to stop it from happening?



    https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/gov...from-drugmaker

    Why is DeSantis purchasing medicine or anything medical related and on the tax-payer dime?

    That should be up to doctors, clinics and hospitals to buy what they need.
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  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Why is DeSantis purchasing medicine or anything medical related and on the tax-payer dime?

    That should be up to doctors, clinics and hospitals to buy what they need.

    I don't get it.

    Biden impliments Marxist health care policies - Marxism BAD!!!!!

    DeSantis impliments Marxist health card policies - Marxism good?!?!?

    SMGDH
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  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Why is DeSantis purchasing medicine or anything medical related and on the tax-payer dime?

    That should be up to doctors, clinics and hospitals to buy what they need.
    Shhh.

    Who cares about the people in the other states who can't get it, because DeSantis is overturning the free market to stockpile it for political purposes? Who cares if doctors have autonomy to do what's best for their patients?

    Who cares about the pawns? We're all watching the chess game to see if DeSantis is more Alpha than Biden.
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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Thank Christ a voice of reason.

    +rep

    All I see happening here is the fedgoov exercising illegitimate authority to ration and ban lifesaving treatments that will end up killing people, based on politics.

    There is another word for that: genocide.

    Thank Christ those treatments were not withheld from me over the last week or I would probably be dead now.
    You're welcome and hope you make a full recovery!

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Say good riddens to "End the Fed".

    I could be wrong, but I think you are missing the point that Florida and other states are receiving monoclonal using federal dollars, while the state is propping up more government medical facilities. And the fact that Moderna, Pfizer AND Monoclonal investors are lining the pockets of politicians.

    Government has NO business in 1. Healthcare, 2. Supplying or 3. Rationing

    Until people get that, round and round we go, and more powerful the government and crony corporatism becomes.
    Ummm.......you're not making sense. "End The Fed", a chant that first became known to me when I joined this movement in 2007, had/has a particular meaning. It's always meant the Federal Reserve Bank. End the Fed never was associated, by this movement, with ending all government. It didn't even mean "end the federal government." It meant "End The Federal Reserve Bank." This country existed many years without a central bank. I had to explain this to my mother in law (ex mother in law now?) when she gave me grief over my "end the fed" bumper sticker. So no. Accepting help from a non federal government official that is not connected to the central bank is not nullification of "End The Fed." So...quit saying that. Please.

    Now to the practical side of this. We are literally in the fight for our very lives. What Biden is doing by limiting the supply of monoclonal antibodies to be compared to boycotts our country has done against "terrorist" nations. Ron Paul has in the past justly called that an act of war. I do not say this lightly. @Anti Federalist knows I'm the last person to be talking like this. As I type this I know this forum is being watch. I am probably more identifiable than most because I don't use some pseudonym here. But if we don't pull our heads out of our collective asses as see what's going on, well then whatever happens next is our own damn fault. When liberals were pushing for more gun control and constitutional sheriffs were like "Nope. We're not going to let you enforce those laws in our jurisdictions", and they were applauded, did you freak out then and say "Wait a minute. That's the end of 'End The Fed'?" Because....I missed that if you did. If you didn't, what's the difference? Yes, in a perfect government free world sheriffs wouldn't exist and the self organized militia would protect us from enemies foreign and domestic. But that perfect world does not exist! Yes, the Bundy's held of the feds for a bit on the grazing issue...then they fell of the front page, then the feds arrested them when they tried to help someone else. If a governor or state legislature decides to act to help you have more medical choices, there is no downside to that action. And if you've got a solution on how to get monoclonal antibodies or ivermectin or whatever else to the people that want it and can't get it, GREAT! We're all ears. And for the record I'm all for natural over the counter stuff like zinc and melatonin and other natural remedies like exercise and sunlight and hydrotherapy. I'm putting together a pamphlet on just that to share in my community. This is a full court press. Let's start working on solutions. We don't have the time or manpower to waste knocking down each others ideas on nothing principal grounds.
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    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Why is DeSantis purchasing medicine or anything medical related and on the tax-payer dime?

    That should be up to doctors, clinics and hospitals to buy what they need.
    Are you even paying attention? The doctors, clinics and hospitals do not have the power to compete with the Federal government. Biden is targetting southern states for retribution. This was like the situation with PPE early on. I sold N95 masks to doctors and clinics that couldn't get them, but I could. The normal supply chain was screwed up. I bought off Craigslist and when that supply dried up I bought off Alibaba. I had to be careful not to buy too many because there were stories about the Feds confiscating PPE supplies people were buying in bulk. If you haven't tried to fulfil a hospital supply chain, even on a small scale like I did, you need to do that first before trying to comment on what doctors and hospitals should be doing for themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    I don't get it.

    Biden impliments Marxist health care policies - Marxism BAD!!!!!

    DeSantis impliments Marxist health card policies - Marxism good?!?!?

    SMGDH
    I haven't seen the article you are talking about regarding the health card policy. I'll take your word for it that such a policy is bad. But this ain't that.

    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Shhh.

    Who cares about the people in the other states who can't get it, because DeSantis is overturning the free market to stockpile it for political purposes? Who cares if doctors have autonomy to do what's best for their patients?

    Who cares about the pawns? We're all watching the chess game to see if DeSantis is more Alpha than Biden.
    FFS! The free market has already been overturned by Biden!
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Ummm.......you're not making sense. "End The Fed", a chant that first became known to me when I joined this movement in 2007, had/has a particular meaning. It's always meant the Federal Reserve Bank.
    Look, I know and understand exactly what the Fed [Federal Reserve] [central bankers] is.

    This Federal Government has grown beyond recognition. Now, people are cheering and pleading for free money! free medicine! [on the tax payer dime]. It has NO business in healthcare period, whether ObamneyCare, TrumpCare or whatever care!

    Private practices, local churches, communities, donations, should be handling local matters. I should not have to explain this to you @jmdrake, but it seems that you have lost your senses.

    People cheering DeSantis on, because he takes/took federal dollars to buy medicine, building state government clinics around the state, and because "other party" rationed him and his state, he decides to buy directly from the manufacturer - using TAX DOLLARS. Unbelievable!
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    FFS! The free market has already been overturned by Biden!
    And?

    I'm not some sheep looking nervously to see if the New GOP Presumptive Nominee is Alpha enough to ensure the Red Flock gets their share. I'm much more concerned with trying to find a way to get my free market back--and all our other God-given freedoms.

    I guess it's just a matter of priorities.

    All in the world we need to do to get our free market back is pull our head out of their crotches and grow a pair of our very own.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-17-2021 at 03:13 PM.
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