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    Ron DeSantis On The Record

    Ron DeSantis On The Record


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    - Top Donor Of Gov. Ron DeSantis Is Regeneron Investor. Citadel CEO Ken Griffin has donated $10.75 million to a political committee that supports DeSantis. He also donated $5.75 million in 2018 and $5 million last April.

    Citadel’s investment in Regeneron is a fraction of its overall $39 billion in investments, but if the stock price were to go up, Citadel would benefit. DeSantis spokeswoman Christina Pushaw points out that Citadel has far greater investments in Moderna and Pfizer, which manufacture COVID-19 vaccines.

    DeSantis announced on Wednesday the opening of another monoclonal antibody treatment center at C.B. Smith Park in Pembroke Pines. Another site is opening on August 21 at Tropical Park in Southwest Miami-Dade. The state plans to have 21 open by next week. The Federal Government is paying for the monoclonal antibody treatments and patients aren’t being charged for the antibody cocktail.
    The Citadel CEO, a billionaire, has donated tens of millions of dollars to other conservative candidates and political committees across the country. He was raised in Florida and is building an oceanfront mansion near Trump’s Palm Beach Mar-a-Lago resort. https://miami.cbslocal.com/2021/08/2...eron-investor/


    - Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has hung signs on all the major interstate highways entering Florida.

    Ron DeSantis: “I want all residents and visitors to receive this message: Florida Uses E-Verify. For years prior to my administration, attempts to pass E-Verify legislation in Florida failed, but I would not yield until this matter was addressed. Last year, I was able to deliver on working with the Florida Legislature to get E-Verify over the finish line and signed SB 664 into law. Requiring use of an employment verification system not only places upward pressure [on] Floridians’ wages, it also protects the public safety. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...unshine-state/



    - Ron DeSantis sponsored H.R. 4718 (115th) [bad vote]: Recognition of Jerusalem as the Capital of the State of Israel Act https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr4718


    - Ron DeSantis sponsored H.R. 3425 (115th) [bad vote]: State Sanctions Against Iranian Terrorism Act https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr3425


    - Ron DeSantis voted YES on S 1182: Flood Insurance [bad vote] - This bill (S. 1182) would extend the authorization of the National Flood Insurance Program through November 30, 2018. The Constitution does not give the federal government authority to get into the insurance business. Having the federal government as an insurer essentially subsidizes risky behavior, such as building in flood-, fire-, and earthquake-prone areas, and forces the taxpayer to pick up the tab. Insurance policies for natural disasters should be offered by private insurers, with the market setting the rates for such coverage.


    - Ron DeSantis voted YES on H R 3249 [bad vote]: Law Enforcement Partnership Grants - This bill (H.R. 3249) would establish a Project Safe Neighbor-hoods Block Grant Program within the Office of Justice Programs at the Department of Justice to foster and improve existing partnerships between local, state, and federal law-enforcement agencies to create safer neighborhoods through sustained reductions in violent crimes. It would authorize $50 million a year in each of the fiscal years from 2019 through 2021. The federal government is not authorized by the Constitution to partner with, train, or subsidize state or local law-enforcement agencies. Too, our continued existence as a free people under the Constitution depends on the continued independence of our local police from federal and state control.


    - Ron DeSantis voted YES on H R 4909 [bad vote]: School Violence - The STOP School Violence Act of 2018 (H.R. 4909) would authorize $75 million a year through fiscal year 2028 for the Justice Department’s Secure Our Schools grant program. SOS is a grant program of the Justice Department’s Office of Community Oriented Policing Services, which has been instrumental in laying the foundations for nationalizing local police by providing federal “assistance” in the form of funds, equipment, training, and development of guidelines to local law-enforcement agencies.

    In a podcast interview with Conservative Review, Representative Thomas Massie (RKy.) said the “STOP School Violence Act was bad enough for nationalizing defense of our schools,” but he further revealed, “There is money in that bill that is going to go to gun control groups. It literally says in there you can give it to the 501-C3s, and then it also says in there it can’t go to train anybody on gun safety. It’s got to go for all the liberal sort of agendas.”


    - Ron DeSantis voted YES on H R 3326 [bad vote]: World Bank Accountability Act of 2017 - The World Bank Accountability Act (H.R. 3326) would authorize $3.29 billion in U.S. contributions to the World Bank’s International Development Association, which discharges concessional loans known as “credits” and economic grants to the world’s poorest and most underdeveloped countries. Authorizing such funds to the WTO’s IDA is foreign aid, which is a form of international welfare and completely unconstitutional, and most World Bank “aid” further enriches plutocrats in Third World countries, at the expense of the poor.


    - Ron DeSantis voted NO on S 139 (Roll Call 14) [bad vote]: Warrantless Surveillance - During consideration of the bill (S. 139) reauthorizing the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), Representative Justin Amash (R-Mich.) introduced an amendment to end NSA collection of communications data that is neither to nor from an approved foreign target, but rather communications “about” a foreign target entirely between American citizens. It would prohibit the FBI and intelligence agencies from searching the NSA database for information on U.S. citizens without first obtaining a warrant, except in certain circumstances. The amendment would also end “reverse targeting,” in which an American citizen communicating with a foreign target is also subject to surveillance.


    - Ron DeSantis voted YES on S 139 (Roll Call 16) [bad vote]: Warrantless Surveillance - This bill (S. 139) would reauthorize for six years, through 2023, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which governs electronic surveillance of foreign terrorism suspects. The bill would require the development of procedures for searching the NSA database that would protect the Fourth Amendment-guaranteed rights of U.S. citizens, while allowing the FBI to access information with an order from the secret FISA Court, in certain cases.


    - Ron DeSantis voted YES on H R 2824 [bad vote]: Home Visitations [bad vote] - Going into homes to check up on the physical, emotional, and economic “wellness” of families not only goes way beyond the few and defined federal powers authorized by the Constitution, but also is part of a dangerous trend of government further interjecting itself into the family.


    - Ron DeSantis voted YES on H R 3180 [bad vote]: Intelligence Authorization [bad vote] - The very idea of Congress authorizing classified amounts of spending is unconstitutional, as well as frightening. Furthermore, some of the agencies that this “classified” spending is funding are themselves engaged in unconstitutional activities, such as spying on and gathering data from U.S. citizens without a warrant. While assessing (dubious) Russian influence in U.S. politics is an acceptable use of federal funds, much of this bill’s spending is unconstitutional and should be rejected.


    - Ron DeSantis voted YES on H RES 397: NATO [bad vote] - This legislation (H. Res. 397) “solemnly reaffirms the commitment of the United States to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s principle of collective defense as enumerated in Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty.” Under Article 5, the member nations of the NATO military alliance “agree that an armed attack against one or more of them ... shall be considered an attack against them all.”


    - Ron DeSantis voted YES on H R 1616 [bad vote] - National Computer Forensics Institute Authorization [bad vote] - Providing federal equipment and training to state and local law-enforcement officers not only is unconstitutional, but also further federalizes the police system.


    - Ron DeSantis voted YES on H R 1238 [bad vote]: Homeland Security Defense of Agriculture [bad vote] - This bill expands the "War on Terror" to include the fictitious and non-existent threat of "agro-terrorism" in the American homeland, thereby further interjecting the U.S. government into the agriculture sector, despite the absence of any constitutional power to manage this or any other sector of the American economy.


    - Ron DeSantis voted YES on H R 2028 [bad vote]: Continuing Appropriations [bad vote] - With this Continuing Appropriations bill, Congress is failing to address its fiscally and constitutionally irresponsible budgeting and appropriating process that is currently yielding annual federal deficits measured in the hundreds of billions of dollars that contribute directly to the dramatic growth of our $20 trillion national debt.


    - Ron DeSantis voted YES on S 2943 [bad vote]: National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) - The authorizations in this bill go way beyond providing for our national defense. Our foreign military interventions in the Middle East in particular have exacerbated terrorism and undermined U.S. security. The creation of the Orwellian “Global Engagement Center,” which was added to the NDAA without Congress being able to vote on it as a stand-alone bill, also falls outside the scope of legitimate national defense. Rather than agreeing to the version of NDAA they did, our lawmakers should have rejected it and passed instead a constitutionally sound version.


    - Ron DeSantis voted NO on H R 5293 [bad vote]: Warrantless Surveillance - During consideration of the Defense Appropriations bill (H.R. 5293), Representative Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) introduced an amendment to bar the use of funds in the bill from being used to conduct warrantless searches of Americans’ digital communications that have crossed the U.S. border. Massie noted in a letter to his colleagues that “the Director of National Intelligence has confirmed that the government searches vast amounts of data — including the content of emails and telephone calls — without individualized suspicion or probable cause,” and that “the director of the FBI has also confirmed that it uses this information to build criminal cases” against Americans. Massie added that the National Intelligence and FBI directors “are not above the Fourth Amendment, and this practice should end.” Massie’s amendment would also prohibit funds from being used to pressure companies to build “backdoors” into their products for surveillance.


    - Ron DeSantis voted YES on H R 1567 [bad vote]: Global Food Security Strategy - Feeding the world is not a proper responsibility of the U.S. government. Nowhere in the U.S. Constitution is there any authorization for the federal government to feed the American people, let alone citizens of other countries. Furthermore, offering “aid” to impoverished countries is often a means to prop up dictators who will bend to the will of the wealthy country in exchange for money. Such corrupt rulers have little regard for the welfare of their people, so the “aid” rarely finds its way to the people who need it most.


    - Ron DeSantis voted YES on H R 2146 [bad vote]: Trade Promotion Authority - TPA would facilitate the subordination of the national independence of the United States to regional blocs of nations in a process that is leading toward a world government.


    - Ron DeSantis voted YES on H R 1314 [bad vote]: Trade Act of 2015 - TPA would facilitate the subordination of the national independence of the United States to regional trading blocs.


    - Ron DeSantis voted YES on H R 1731 [bad vote]: National Cybersecurity Protection Advancement Act of 2015 - This bill would further empower the unconstitutional Department of Homeland Security, erode the privacy protections enshrined in the Constitution, and gradually move the United States closer to becoming a police state.


    - Ron DeSantis voted NO on H R 4435 [bad vote]: On Agreeing to the Amendment 13 to H R 4435. During consideration of the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal 2015 (NDAA, H.R. 4435), Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.) introduced an amendment to prohibit the indefinite military detention of any person detained under the Authorization for the Use of Military Force authority in the United States, its territories, or possessions by providing immediate transfer to a trial and proceedings by a court. It also would strike language that would provide for mandatory military custody of covered parties.


    - Ron DeSantis voted NO on H R 4435 [bad vote]: On Agreeing to the Amendment 17 to H R 4435. During consideration of the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal 2015 (NDAA, H.R. 4435), Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) introduced an amendment to sunset the 2001 Authorization for the Use of Military Force 12 months after the enactment of the 2015 NDAA.


    - Ron DeSantis voted YES on H R 4152 [bad vote]: To provide for the costs of loan guarantees for Ukraine. This bill (H.R. 4152), as amended by the Senate (see Senate vote below), would provide $150 million for direct aid to Ukraine. It would also provide for loan guarantees (meaning that U.S. taxpayers would be stuck holding the bag if the loans are not paid). And it would impose sanctions on Russian and ex-Ukrainian officials deemed responsible for the crisis in the Ukraine.


    - Ron DeSantis voted NO on H R 2397 [bad vote]: On Agreeing to the Amendment 64 to H R 2397. During consideration of the defense appropriations bill (H.R. 2397), Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) offered an amendment to prohibit funding for military actions after December 31, 2014 that are carried out pursuant to the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF). As Rep. Schiff noted: "The 2001 AUMF was never intended to authorize a war without end, and it now poorly defines those who pose a threat to our country. That authority and the funding that goes along with it should expire concurrent with the end of our combat role in Afghanistan."


    - Ron DeSantis voted NO on H R 1960 [bad vote]: On Agreeing to the Amendment 12 to H R 1960. During consideration of the defense authorization bill (H.R. 1960), Rep. Adam Smith (D-Wash.) offered an amendment to eliminate indefinite military detention of any person detained in the United States, its territories, or possessions, under the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force. Smith's amendment would call for the immediate transfer of such detained persons to trial in a civilian court. Furthermore, Smith's amendment would repeal a provision of the 2012 defense authorization law that requires mandatory military custody of members or associates of al-Qaeda who planned or carried out attacks against the United States or its coalition partners.


    - Ron DeSantis voted YES on H R 325 [bad vote]: To ensure the complete and timely payment of the obligations of the United States Government until May 19, 2013, and for other purposes. Short-term Debt Limit Increase. This bill (H.R. 325), voted on in January 2013, would suspend the public debt limit through May 18, 2013 and, in effect, allow the Treasury Department to borrow as much as it needs in order to pay its bills over the next four months: February, March, April, and May. Another provision in the bill would withhold pay for representatives or senators if either house fails to approve a budget by April 15. The pay would be withheld for each member of Congress until his or her house agrees to a concurrent resolution on the budget for fiscal 2014 or until the last day of the 113th Congress.



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    Last edited by PAF; 09-16-2021 at 08:47 AM.
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    Last edited by PAF; 09-09-2021 at 07:14 PM.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

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    Why hasn't he supported any major pro-gun legislation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Why hasn't he supported any major pro-gun legislation?
    Ron is Pro-Gun, he supports the 2nd.
    Last edited by PAF; 09-09-2021 at 07:15 PM.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Ron is Pro-Gun, he supports the 2nd.
    What major pro-gun legislation does he support? Please, give me the bill numbers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    What major pro-gun legislation does he support? Please, give me the bill numbers
    SB 1884

    https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/20...Text/Filed/PDF


    Text:

    https://flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/20.../?Tab=BillText
    Last edited by PAF; 09-10-2021 at 12:34 PM.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

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    Yeah, no, that's not really major pro gun legislation. It's nibbling around the edges.

    Where is he on Constitutional Carry, Campus Carry, and repealing Red Flag laws?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Yeah, no, that's not really major pro gun legislation. It's nibbling around the edges.

    Where is he on Constitutional Carry, Campus Carry, and repealing Red Flag laws?

    My On the Record sheets do not contain good votes, which are expected, and should be doing according to the Constitution. They contain bad votes/policies, which are what put this country in the condition that it is in.

    In DeSantis' case, he may be Pro-2nd Amendment, and many people would vote for him just based on that, ignoring all of the other evil votes/policies. Christians do the same thing with regard to "Pro-Life", and end up with the likes of any standard Bush/Graham/Rubio republican.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer



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    So again, he doesn't support the 2nd Amendment because he hasn't been pushing for any serious or major pro gun legislation.
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    He's way behind the curve on this mandate, too.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...accine-Mandate

    So's Sununu in New Hampshire.
    "Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out?"--Will Rogers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    So again, he doesn't support the 2nd Amendment because he hasn't been pushing for any serious or major pro gun legislation.
    I can only go by what his "stance" is on the record.

    If I may ask, based on the OP, would you vote him, assuming he did back/pass pro-gun legislation?

    As for myself, I no longer vote or participate in their sandbox.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    He's way behind the curve on this mandate, too.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...accine-Mandate

    So's Sununu in New Hampshire.
    Biden, Fauci, etc al, mandate and legislate. DeSantis smiles, gives you a "choice", while taking Federal dollars to prop up med facilities all around the state. He doesn't get "Government has NO business in healthcare".
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I can only go by what his "stance" is on the record.
    A politician's words mean nothing, only their actions matter. And so far he has dont nothing to seriously advance the right to keep and bear arms in Florida. Hoping that changes though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    A politician's words mean nothing, only their actions matter. And so far he has dont nothing to seriously advance the right to keep and bear arms in Florida. Hoping that changes though.
    Agree.

    Fact: If you are not part of the “club”, you will never be on a national ballot.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

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    Not legislative, per se, but definitely part of the record. Great pics at links. DeSantis with Adelson, Netanyahu and the rest of the usual suspects in visit to Israel in 2019, right before he became a household GOP name. Also, he performed an unusual legislative act there of signing Florida legislation while seated in a foreign country....

    https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20...mp-next-year/1

    https://www.tallahassee.com/picture-...os/1256996001/
    Last edited by devil21; 09-11-2021 at 12:45 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    ...

    As for myself, I no longer vote or participate in their sandbox.
    For somebody who does not “participate” in voting, you sure spend a lot of time pointing out the negatives of GOP politicians and candidates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    For somebody who does not “participate” in voting, you sure spend a lot of time pointing out the negatives of GOP politicians and candidates.

    Millions of voters will go to the polls, not understanding the process (state/national, bound/unbound delegates, etc.), or who, what or why they vote for them.

    Patriotic duty, "I turned 18!", straight ticket, for an individual, or just cast a vote in opposition to somebody.

    I believe in "holding them accountable". What others do, that's on them.

    Let it not be said...... ;-)
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Agree.

    Fact: If you are not part of the “club”, you will never be on a national ballot.
    So true. +1, out of rep.

    This understanding needs to be conveyed to the average folks. It will never happen through the MSM since the club owns the news media. The internet and social media is an avenue that provides a possibility to change that.
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    * Also, I have effectively retired from all social media including posting here and are basically opting out of anything to do with national politics or this country on federal or state level and rather focusing locally. I may stop by from time to time to discuss philosophy on a general level related to Libertarian schools of thought and application in the real world.

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    I am cross posting this here, as the other thread is about COVID, and this thread is more on-topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    ...
    I brought up DeSantis in Post #2, providing accurate information on the how/why/who initiated the government “solution”.

    But yes, let us not discuss the one who is front/center in the media, potential replacement in 2024. Because I am Agorist and choose not to play the game, we should all bury our heads, not understand how we got to this point, and praise/allow said replacement with a pathetic record such as his.
    I guess I’m not understanding your definition of “not playing the game”, as you seem to post quite a bit about potential 2024 candidates.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    I am cross posting this here, as the other thread is about COVID, and this thread is more on-topic.



    I guess I’m not understanding your definition of “not playing the game”, as you seem to post quite a bit about potential 2024 candidates.
    Well, he doesn't seem to be following you from thread to thread, responding to every cross-post. Could that be the game he's not playing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    I am cross posting this here, as the other thread is about COVID, and this thread is more on-topic.



    I guess I’m not understanding your definition of “not playing the game”, as you seem to post quite a bit about potential 2024 candidates.
    Is education part of "the game"? Or is only cheerleading and voting (lol) for the preselected-and-packaged-by-MadisonAve-for-mass-public-consumption-faces-in-suits on-the-teevee "the game"? Or somewhere in between?

    It's pretty obvious that DeSantis is being propped up under that model as the 2024 savior of the GOP. You'd think there are only two or three "Republican" governors in the entire 50 states if you only watched media. That's a pretty solid sign of who is being inserted into the public consciousness for later use, especially since Donald proved that the "anti-establishment-controlled-opposition" method works pretty well for national elections these days .
    Last edited by devil21; 09-20-2021 at 10:00 AM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing."-Ron Paul

    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    Is education part of "the game"?
    That is the question, isn't it?

    Nothing wrong with education or vetting of candidates. I highly support it.

    But why spend time doing that if you have sworn off voting? Every politician has donors and organizations that back them for a variety of reasons. They usually have some bad votes. I suppose if your crusade is to convince others not to vote, and to be negative on every candidate, then it would be consistent to say "don't play the game", yet simultaneously be playing a related game.

    If there is someone who votes mostly like Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie or Justin Amash, we would like to know about it and support them, and even vote for them if applicable.

    It's pretty obvious that DeSantis is being propped up under that model as the 2024 savior of the GOP. You'd think there are only two or three "Republican" governors in the entire 50 states if you only watched media. That's a pretty solid sign of who is being inserted into the public consciousness for later use, especially since Donald proved that the "anti-establishment-controlled-opposition" method works pretty well for national elections these days .
    That is more on topic of this thread. I haven't made up my mind on DeSantis. Is there a secret, coordinated plan to insert DeSantis into the mix by the media and establishment? I don't believe the media likes him. I like to keep it simple. They heap the same disdain on Massie, but I don't believe that means they are grooming Massie for future office.

    Ron Paul speaks positively about DeSantis quite often on The Liberty Report. I take it at face value. Politicians take good positions and bad positions. Support them when they take good positions, don't support bad positions. And it's about the person, not the party. I support individuals, not parties.

    I would note that the OP has highlighted negatives, not any positives. When it comes time for vetting, I will be interested in both side of the balance sheet.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    That is the question, isn't it?

    Nothing wrong with education or vetting of candidates. I highly support it.

    But why spend time doing that if you have sworn off voting? Every politician has donors and organizations that back them for a variety of reasons. They usually have some bad votes. I suppose if your crusade is to convince others not to vote, and to be negative on every candidate, then it would be consistent to say "don't play the game", yet simultaneously be playing a related game.

    If there is someone who votes mostly like Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie or Justin Amash, we would like to know about it and support them, and even vote for them if applicable.



    That is more on topic of this thread. I haven't made up my mind on DeSantis. Is there a secret, coordinated plan to insert DeSantis into the mix by the media and establishment? I don't believe the media likes him. I like to keep it simple. They heap the same disdain on Massie, but I don't believe that means they are grooming Massie for future office.

    Ron Paul speaks positively about DeSantis quite often on The Liberty Report. I take it at face value. Politicians take good positions and bad positions. Support them when they take good positions, don't support bad positions. And it's about the person, not the party. I support individuals, not parties.

    I would note that the OP has highlighted negatives, not any positives. When it comes time for vetting, I will be interested in both side of the balance sheet.

    Good, bad or indifferent, there is a reason I put a Green Asterisk * next to Rand Paul's name. What everybody does is up to them.

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    If you guys read this book, you will not look at politics the same way. Oh it states all of the problems you are talking about, but it has solutions and a path to get there. It is at www.americasbattleplan.com Politicians do not want us to read this book.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Nothing wrong with education or vetting of candidates. I highly support it.

    But why spend time doing that if you have sworn off voting?
    And what if you have a few million roommates who swear by it, and actually do what the sociopath they choose says to do? Could the stuff affect your life? Could one decide to help them do it right as a favor to them, just so they don't have so much buyer's remorse?

    Maybe he thinks he is wasting his time, but he wants to experiment and see if the fact that the pot is at 211° F causes the frogs to grow brains.

    What did PAF do, exactly, to cause you to impugn his motives? Tell you the truth about someone you were wrong about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    That is more on topic of this thread. I haven't made up my mind on DeSantis. Is there a secret, coordinated plan to insert DeSantis into the mix by the media and establishment? I don't believe the media likes him.
    The media pretended to hate Trump. You remember. You bought in hook, line and sinker. He got elected, then he conspired with Pelosi to trash the mother $#@!ing Constitution.

    Somebody

    Got

    Played



    If keeping it this simple is the best Republican voters can do then we might as well let them have their mail in scam and their Diebolds, because we are $#@!ed.

    Is that why the man's motives are being questioned here? Just because he told the truth about someone millions misplaced their faith in? We can't learn better and do better because our pride's hurt? We must go into denial? No wonder the Bible says pride goeth before a fall.

    I don't give a flying $#@! who pretends that who pisses them off. Give me a He Who Must Not Be Named or give me death. Seriously. This ain't no party. This ain't no disco. This is the totalitarian endgame.

    Just

    Shoot

    Me

    DeSantis is just as much in bed with Big Pharma as anyone in D.C. That is a fact, on the record. If he saves you from the jab, you had better look close at what's in whatever he is selling, because the media don't give away that kind of publicity, even hateful publicity, to anyone who isn't a tool.

    How many times do we need to relearn this lesson? Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Will Thomas Massie be there to save the Constitution of the United States from Pelosi next time?

    Of course they're capable of saying, Republicans nominate whoever CNN talks the most smack about, so make sure CNN talks the most smack about our tool. Underestimating the enemy is how one gets in a mess like this, not how one gets out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    A jury found Rudy Giuliani's associate Lev Parnas guilty of breaking campaign finance laws.
    Parnas and his associate Igor Fruman illegally funneled at least $156,000 in political donations from Russian businessman Andrey Muraviev.
    Parnas also illegally made a $325,000 contribution to a pro-Trump super PAC through a shell company from another source.
    Parnas and Fruman also concealed that they were the true source of a donation in support of then-President Donald.

    (...)

    Florida Governor Ron DeSantis also received part of the $1 million that Parnas and Fruman received from Muraviev in campaign donations.
    See (from left), Parnas, Trump lawyers Pam Bondi and Giuliani and DeSantis.
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