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    As Taliban holds Americans 'hostage,' Biden admin says there's little it can do

    What's the ransom gonna cost?


    Biden administration officials are reportedly at a loss for what to do in response to the current "hostage" situation in Afghanistan, telling reporters they "do not control the airspace" as several planes holding Americans have been prevented by the Taliban from leaving the country.

    What's the background?
    News surfaced on Sunday that as many as six planes holding American citizens have been stranded at the Mazar-i-Sharif international airport for days as Taliban leaders seek to extract concessions from the U.S. government before allowing them to leave.

    In a document sent to members of Congress over the weekend, the State Department said the flights have been cleared to depart for Doha, Qatar, and will do so "if and when the Taliban agrees to takeoff."

    "The Taliban is basically holding them hostage to get more out of the Americans," a congressional source told CBS News.

    It's the latest blunder in the administration's bungled withdrawal from Afghanistan late last month, which concluded with hundreds of Americans and thousands of Afghan nationals still stranded in the Taliban-controlled country.

    Having ended its military mission, the U.S. now reportedly lacks the military force or diplomatic personnel to ensure that those stranded Americans can complete their chartered passage out of the country.

    What is the administration saying?
    In response to questioning from TheBlaze on Monday, the State Department effectively threw its hands in the air and conceded there's not much it can do at this point.

    "We understand the concern that many people are feeling as they try to facilitate further charter and other passage out of Afghanistan. However, we do not have personnel on the ground, we do not have air assets in the country, we do not control the airspace — whether over Afghanistan or elsewhere in the region," a State Department spokesman said.

    The spokesman added that the department also does not have a "reliable means" to verify the identity of the passengers.

    "Given these constraints, we also do not have a reliable means to confirm the basic details of charter flights, including who may be organizing them, the number of U.S. citizens and other priority groups on-board, the accuracy of the rest of the manifest, and where they plan to land, among many other issues," the spokesman said.

    Despite all of this, the spokesman noted the State Department will continue to "hold the Taliban to its pledge to let people freely depart Afghanistan."

    What else?
    The administration's apparent inaction contradicts the message it relayed to the American people following the conclusion of its incomplete evacuation in late August.

    At the time, Marine Corps Gen. Kenneth McKenzie acknowledged, "We did not get out everybody we wanted to get out," but insisted that "our Department of State is going to work very hard to allow any American citizens that are left" to obtain passage out of the country.

    Others in the administration likewise promised that the U.S. would work tirelessly to get the remaining Americans safely home.

    Pentagon press secretary John Kirby, while admitting he did not "foresee a military role" in evacuating the remaining Americans, stressed that the administration would "use other tools available to us as a government to help the safe passage of Americans get out of that country."
    https://www.theblaze.com/news/taliba...den-aghanistan



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    Biden administration officials are reportedly at a loss for what to do in response to the current "hostage" situation in Afghanistan, telling reporters they "do not control the airspace" as several planes holding Americans have been prevented by the Taliban from leaving the country.
    We can't take control of the airspace?

    We get held up for $80,000,000 per F-35 and $150,000,000 per F-22, and they're telling us we can't get control of the airspace of a country that hasn't bought a fighter plane since the MiG-21?

    Why not? Because we taught them to fly our fighters, and left a bunch behind for them?
    "Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out?"--Will Rogers

    "All I know is what I read in the newspapers, and that's an alibi for my ignorance."--Will Rogers

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    We can't take control of the airspace?

    We get held up for $80,000,000 per F-35 and $150,000,000 per F-22, and they're telling us we can't get control of the airspace of a country that hasn't bought a fighter plane since the MiG-21?

    Why not? Because we taught them to fly our fighters, and left a bunch behind for them?
    Remember how when we first went in to Afghanistan how they decimated our entire air force and we had to borrow some from Ethiopia?

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    If we ever hear the true cost of what they paid for ransom, it won't be for another 20 to 50 years.
    ...

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    This reeks of the Iran Hostage Crisis Jimmy Carter had. Our Dementia-in-Chief needs to step down.

    https://www.jimmycarterlibrary.gov/r...crisis_in_iran

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis

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    Are they Americans or Afghans with US Citizenship?
    Last edited by Sammy; 09-06-2021 at 12:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy View Post
    Are they are Americans or Afghans with US Citizenship?
    Racist!

    "Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out?"--Will Rogers

    "All I know is what I read in the newspapers, and that's an alibi for my ignorance."--Will Rogers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy View Post
    Are they are Americans or Afghans with US Citizenship?
    some of each are the rumors
    Do something Danke



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    I am quite sure that no one controls the airspace above Afghanistan right now.

    That is, the airspace above small arms range.

    Air traffic control services are performed remotely from Qatar.

    Not that aircraft separation is a problem right now.....this is a ground control issue, if you will.

    I watched a video interview from a Pakistani Airlines captain who said that he took off without a clearance from Kabul when the crowd swarmed the ramp area. He very obviously made the correct decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    I am quite sure that no one controls the airspace above Afghanistan right now.

    That is, the airspace above small arms range.

    Air traffic control services are performed remotely from Qatar.

    Not that aircraft separation is a problem right now.....this is a ground control issue, if you will.

    I watched a video interview from a Pakistani Airlines captain who said that he took off without a clearance from Kabul when the crowd swarmed the ramp area. He very obviously made the correct decision.
    Sounds interesting. Could you link that interview, if it's not too much trouble?

    That said, I really doubt the USAF has a traffic control issue.

    "Stupidity got us into this mess. Why can't it get us out?"--Will Rogers

    "All I know is what I read in the newspapers, and that's an alibi for my ignorance."--Will Rogers

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Sounds interesting. Could you link that interview, if it's not too much trouble?
    My pleasure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    That said, I really doubt the USAF has a traffic control issue.

    Correct.

    I should clarify my earlier statement that no one in Afghanistan has the ability to enforce airspace control above small arms range.

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    taliban are like any other thug group of communists or islamists . They are waiting for the bribe to let the flights go .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    taliban are like any other thug group of communists or islamists . They are waiting for the bribe to let the flights go .
    Having piloted many chartered flights in and out of interesting places around the world, I can verify that this is absolutely true.

    Most of the time, our handlers payed the fees. Occasionally, we would. We carried at least $25k with us all the time back when that would fuel the airplane and then some.

    Every flight, everywhere pays a fee or a bribe to move in this business.

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    Just pay the bribe or give them what they want. We lost the war and already spent so much in that country a bit more to get some people out is a drop in the bucket. If it's recognition as the government of Aghanistan, just do it. They won the war like it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    What's the ransom gonna cost?
    Going by social media chatter, could be upto $9.5 Billion besides some pledges to not support Panjshir fighters and for "recognition" of the new gummit:

    US Freezes Nearly $9.5 Billion Afghanistan Central Bank Assets
    bloomberg
    Aug 17, 2021 — The U.S. has frozen nearly $9.5 billion in assets belonging to the Afghan central bank

    With reports of Panjshir falling yesterday, this could be resolved soon now if above theories were factual.




    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    some of each are the rumors
    Numerous rumors in media reporting due to very limited press on the ground, best to treat them as rumors only until all the facts come out.

    U.S. investigates "child bride" cases among Afghan evacuees
    September 3, 2021 / 9:21 PM / CBS News
    CBS News has learned that "several" Afghan women and girls who were evacuated to facilities in the United Arab Emirates have told officials that their families forced them into marriage outside of the Kabul airport so that they could be eligible for evacuation.
    A senior State Department official said authorities are taking the claims seriously and investigating. Human trafficking is a federal crime and also illegal in every state. It is not clear how the U.S. would handle the case of an Afghan evacuee found guilty of child trafficking.
    cbsnews.com/news/u-s-investigates-child-bride-cases-among-afghans-who-fled-afghanistan/



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    Four more Americans made it out of Afghanistan today by overland route .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Four more Americans made it out of Afghanistan today by overland route .
    I'm guessing those they pay taxes too did not help?

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    "At this point, what difference does it make?"
    All modern revolutions have ended in a reinforcement of the power of the State.
    -Albert Camus

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I'm guessing those they pay taxes too did not help?
    Those were the ones that left them there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I'm guessing those they pay taxes too did not help?
    Not sure . They did say the taliban were aware and made no attempt to stop them so overland looks like the way out. Seems if you want to fly out your going to need to pay some bribes.
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy View Post
    Are they Americans or Afghans with US Citizenship?
    What's the test to differentiate between those two?
    "The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality."
    -George Orwell, "Notes on nationalism"

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    What does anyone want? Wasn't there a deadline? Has the deadline past? Didn't the Taliban warn Afghan withdrawal extension would cross a 'red line?
    Aren't we lucky Trump is not in charge? Hasn't the USA had Twenty years to get out?


    Last edited by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged; 09-07-2021 at 12:13 AM.



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