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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    So, it's either/or? Either the Slimes or Zerowedge is The Gospel, and there's something wrong with us who don't buy the bull shoveled by either one?
    Is anybody telling the truth?

    Or is the only way to be sure is to hump ass down to El Paso and see for myself? Even then, who would believe me?

    The Count made it clear that the Biden admin. is NOT shuttling illegal invaders into the heartland of the country on busses, trains and planes paid for with our tax dollars and that the only reason I think they are is because I scour the basement of the internet for racist, white supremacist tropes that support my assumptions.

    It's not. But I don't doubt that some of your favorite websites are telling you that it is.
    Pardon me for not believing amren when they say that the dirty covid mexicans are coming to rape my daughter.
    According to government's own numbers, over half a MILLION people are dead, just in the US alone, because of a man made virus designed to be even more deadly than what would be found in nature, released, possibly on purpose, from a Chinese lab, a virus that that was created from funding and prior research given to the Chinese scientists by our own government because we, in fit of sanity, pulled the plug on funding here.



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    If you do get it while on the vax you have a much lower of risk (>89%) of getting seriously ill or dying from Covid.
    Help me understand this statement.......

    I've already got a 97% chance of not getting "seriously ill or dying from Covid" so are my chances of a poor outcome increased by the vax? 89% vs 97%?

    Or is the 89% applied on top of the 97% to where statistically I'll have a greater chance of being harmed by snorting lines off a stripper?



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The Count made it clear that the Biden admin. is NOT shuttling illegal invaders into the heartland of the country on busses, trains and planes paid for with our tax dollars
    Never said that. It's the covid part that reeks of bull$#@!. They've gotta keep amping up the fear factor because otherwise the rush runs out eventually. MS-13 coming for your daughter is so 2016, that just won't do it anymore. Now MS-13 has covid and they're going to give your daughter their brown covid babies.


    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    and that the only reason I think they are is because I scour the basement of the internet for racist, white supremacist tropes that support my assumptions.
    No, of course not. You don't have to scour. There's an entire media ecosystem built around delivering those tropes to you. It's like Uber except... well, more Über.
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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Is anybody telling the truth?
    Yes. But when you're licensed to print money, buying enough noise to drown them out is easy.
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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Difficult to say if people have had it or not, given that many people might not have had symptoms strong enough to warrant getting tested or treated.



    Cost and time, probably.



    No. Actually, there's at least one study out there that says the opposite. That study suggest that the antibodies you get from COVID infection are specific to the variant of COVID that you had, whereas the vaccine gives you a broader immunity to more strains.
    Um - you are greatly overstating what that study shows.

    RESULTS
    The neutralizing activity of mRNA-1273 vaccine–elicited antibodies is more RBD-targeted than that of infection-elicited antibodies


    We studied sera from adults (ages 18 to 55 years) who received two doses of the Moderna mRNA-1273 vaccine in phase 1 clinical trials (12). The majority of our study focused on 14 individuals who received the 250-μg dose, although we validated key conclusions with a smaller subset of eight trial participants who received the 100-μg dose. The sera were collected at 36 and 119 days after the first vaccine dose, corresponding to 7 and 90 days after the second dose. It was previously shown that these individuals had high amounts of binding and neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2, with neutralizing antibody titers within the upper quartile of sera from SARS-CoV-2 convalescent individuals (12). Throughout, we compared vaccine sera to convalescent plasma or serum samples from two independent cohorts (13, 14). The convalescent plasma samples were characterized in earlier studies (13–16) and grouped into an early time point of 15 to 60 days after symptom onset and a late time point of 100 to 150 days after symptom onset.
    The majority of the neutralizing activity of convalescent sera and plasma is due to RBD-binding antibodies (15, 17, 18). To determine whether neutralization by vaccine sera is similarly RBD-targeted, we depleted RBD-binding antibodies from the day 36 and 119 sera isolated from 14 individuals who received the 250-μg dose of the mRNA-1273 vaccine. We then measured serum immunoglobulin G (IgG) binding to the RBD and full spike ectodomain before and after depletion. As expected, depletion removed all RBD-binding antibodies (Fig. 1A and fig. S1, A and B). However, depleting RBD-binding antibodies only moderately decreased spike-binding activity in either vaccine sera or convalescent plasma (Fig. 1B and fig. S1B), consistent with studies showing that a minority of spike-binding vaccine-elicited B cells target the RBD (5, 19)....
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  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Um - you are greatly overstating what that study shows.
    How am I overstating? Because you don't like the sample size?


    It's the only study on the topic. It suggests exactly what I said:
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    That study suggest that the antibodies you get from COVID infection are specific to the variant of COVID that you had, whereas the vaccine gives you a broader immunity to more strains.
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    How am I overstating? Because you don't like the sample size?


    It's the only study on the topic. It suggests exactly what I said:
    And that Study is Proven wrong Daily as "Protected" people DIE of Delta.

    Its Worthlessness gets proven though.. far more dangerous than the Cold ever was.

    Trial won't be over till 2023..
    Wait till all the facts are in their graves.
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  10. #38

    Compliance is the New Science

    • The vaccines are effective because the government says they're effective.
    • The masks are effective to stop the spread of COVID caused by the vaccines.
    • The "Delta Variant" comes from India, but it also evolved from all of the unvaccinated folks.
    • Staying at home to save lives is doubleplusgood. #AloneTogether
    • Two plus two equals five.
    • We've always been at war with Eastasia.
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  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Rogan probably has a better history of giving medical advice than anybody on the planet.
    Saw this today and remembered your post.

    Joe Rogan Claims He Says ‘Dumb’ Stuff, Suggests People Shouldn’t Take Him Too Seriously
    https://dailycaller.com/2021/08/09/j...ine-passports/
    Joe Rogan wants people to know he shouldn’t be taken too seriously.

    “I say dumb (expletive). If you’re getting vaccine advice from me, is that really my fault?”
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  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Is anybody telling the truth?
    I'll ask Pedro next time he mows my lawn. He would know the real story
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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Saw this today and remembered your post.

    Joe Rogan Claims He Says ‘Dumb’ Stuff, Suggests People Shouldn’t Take Him Too Seriously
    https://dailycaller.com/2021/08/09/j...ine-passports/


    You think it is dumb advice to tell a young healthy person that they shouldn't get the vaccine?

    Rogan does say dumb stuff occasionally, because he speaks on a larger variety of complex topics than most people. Anybody who speaks on a large variety of complex topcis will probably say something dumb from time to time. However, in this case it was probably pretty sound advice.

    That doesn't mean anything I said is untrue about him generally giving good health advice.

    He was also coming under fire and having to apologize to the woke pro vax mob when he made that statement, it was under duress.
    Last edited by dannno; 08-09-2021 at 09:46 AM.
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  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    We should outlaw the use of masks during surgery since they're clearly worthless.

    Controlled environment versus outside world. Two very different things.
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  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    We should outlaw the use of masks during surgery since they're clearly worthless.
    The primary reasons for wearing masks during surgery are to prevent the doctors from getting blood or other bodily fluids splattering up on their face/mouth/nose area, and also when the doctor says "Nurse, hand me the tongs" they might spit a little bit, wouldn't want that going into the patient's open cavity. We've all seen the damage a Jr. Mint can do in these situations. It has very little to do, generally, with preventing the spread of an infectious airborne virus.
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  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    The primary reasons for wearing masks during surgery are to prevent the doctors from getting blood or other bodily fluids splattering up on their face/mouth/nose area, and also when the doctor says "Nurse, hand me the tongs" they might spit a little bit, wouldn't want that going into the patient's open cavity. We've all seen the damage a Jr. Mint can do in these situations. It has very little to do, generally, with preventing the spread of an infectious airborne virus.
    Add to that the studies that have been done on the subject,, in MASH Hospitals and other Disaster areas where Doctors are working extended hours..

    There are several if you bother to look.. O2 deprivation being a common issue.

    a recent Florida School tested masks after a day of wear.. They collect a nasty petri dish on your face.
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  18. #45
    True that narrtaives on masks and vax have been shifting all along but scientists are "more nervous" now than they were on arrival of original covid variant and political/media messaging ia shifting rapidly also:

    Latest MSM report:
    "The speed with which it dominated the pandemic has left scientists nervous about what the virus will do next. The variant battles of 2021 are part of a longer war, one that is far from over.

    [variant name removed] is sending thousands of people into hospitals every day and has knocked the Biden administration back on its heels. In a few short weeks, the delta variant changed the calculations for what it will take to end the pandemic."

    From: The Variant "vanquishes all variant rivals","has knocked the Biden administration.."
    Aug 8, 2021


    Is it in part also because there is no longer a focussed 'steady hand' from White House managing all aspects the pandemic/scientists/pharma vax situation as it was with the original variant arrival.. I dunno.

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  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    I'll ask Pedro next time he mows my lawn. He would know the real story
    I thought Pedro quit because u kept coming on to him.
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  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    I thought Pedro quit because u kept coming on to him.
    Where would you get that idea? I'm not into Mexicans.
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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Where would you get that idea? I'm not into Mexicans.
    It is nothing to be ashamed of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    It is nothing to be ashamed of.
    It is though. Mexicans? Ugh.
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    Masks have always been to protect others, not the wearer.
    Mask are garbage.

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  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Never said that. It's the covid part that reeks of bull$#@!. They've gotta keep amping up the fear factor because otherwise the rush runs out eventually. MS-13 coming for your daughter is so 2016, that just won't do it anymore. Now MS-13 has covid and they're going to give your daughter their brown covid babies.
    So you think it's perfectly OK to have citizens jump through COVID hoops and comply with fatwas and mandates, but illegal invaders do not?

    If you were truly concerned about the spread of sickness, wouldn't the first move be to close the border?

    Does anything in your mind justify that?

    Or are you perfectly happy becoming Tijuana Norte?
    According to government's own numbers, over half a MILLION people are dead, just in the US alone, because of a man made virus designed to be even more deadly than what would be found in nature, released, possibly on purpose, from a Chinese lab, a virus that that was created from funding and prior research given to the Chinese scientists by our own government because we, in fit of sanity, pulled the plug on funding here.

  27. #53
    I recently heard of an acquaintance who was first in line to get the vaccine now has covid
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

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  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So you think it's perfectly OK to have citizens jump through COVID hoops and comply with fatwas and mandates, but illegal invaders do not?

    If you were truly concerned about the spread of sickness, wouldn't the first move be to close the border?

    Does anything in your mind justify that?

    Or are you perfectly happy becoming Tijuana Norte?
    Scream at the clouds more, gramps, that doesn't have anything at all to do with what I said.
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  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by https://betcodigobonus.ne View Post
    Mysteries of science ... and politics
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  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom View Post
    I recently heard of an acquaintance who was first in line to get the vaccine now has covid
    Same here. Yet another. I am losing track of people I actually know (including family) that have recently tested positive, had symptoms or been hospitalized, all vaccinated.
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    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So you think it's perfectly OK to have citizens jump through COVID hoops and comply with fatwas and mandates, but illegal invaders do not?

    If you were truly concerned about the spread of sickness, wouldn't the first move be to close the border?

    Does anything in your mind justify that?
    I remember Ron saying something to the effect to remember that borders can also be used to keep us locked in. That is the risk you are taking by demanding we go even further in border restrictions.

    Fact Check: US-Mexico border not ‘wide open,’ most people trying to enter US are turned away
    https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...eople-trying-/
    The Biden administration is limiting Americans’ travel to Mexico, as well as to Canada, in an attempt to curb the spread of the coronavirus. It’s a continuation of a policy established by President Donald Trump.
    Prior to Covid, I am a textbook case on what Ron was describing which with me resulted in my comings and goings at the border used against me as a form of harassment for whistle blowing.

    I was held for a day coming back in from Canada, denied entry back from Mexico and detained coming back from Tijuana. I ended up a few times having to leave and enter the country illegally just to avoid the targeted harassment. One time I was helped by illegals that showed me the path not too far from the border station after I was denied entry. I was also detained at JFK for a time and asked to explain false allegations being made against me.

    You have been here for years warning us about the risk from posting our political opinions here. Do you really want that same government you rightfully complain about given even more control over your movements at the border than they already do?

    Again you were correct about that warning, would be surprised who actually reads here and the incidents I have had outside this forum related to my posts here.

    Most people trying to cross at the border are being turned away, under a March 2020 order by the Trump administration to curb the spread of COVID-19. The Biden administration is still enforcing that policy, although it’s exempting children who arrive alone, as well as some families.

    Biden is also moving to limit border crossings in another way. Homeland Security announced July 26 that it would quickly turn back migrant families that immigration officials determine do not qualify for asylum during a fast-tracked screening process.

    "It is simply not true that the border is ‘wide open’ for ‘illegal aliens’ to cross," Hallett said. "Customs and Border Protection apprehend individuals attempting to cross between border checkpoints. The border is more secure than ever before. Fewer people are able to cross illegally without being apprehended than at any time in the past."

    Apprehensions have increased because of the strict COVID restrictions, not because restrictions have eased."
    To put the numbers into perspective.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57422618


    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Or are you perfectly happy becoming Tijuana Norte?
    It is too late.It is what it is.
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  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Same here. Yet another. I am losing track of people I actually know (including family) that have recently tested positive, had symptoms or been hospitalized, all vaccinated.
    Do you know how long ago they had the vax before they got Covid? Did they for example catch Covid two weeks or less after getting the last shot which would mean not enough time to build up antibodies? Did they get it a very long time ago? (I wonder if the vax is no longer effective after a certain point). Did they get two shots or one? Which vax?

    They are also saying you can still get it while on the vax but the effects will not be as bad. Did the hospitalized person have a pre-existing condition and one of the issues above?
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  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Do you know how long ago they had the vax before they got Covid? Did they for example catch Covid two weeks or less after getting the last shot which would mean not enough time to build up antibodies? Did they get it a very long time ago? (I wonder if the vax is no longer effective after a certain point). Did they get two shots or one? Which vax?

    They are also saying you can still get it while on the vax but the effects will not be as bad. Did the hospitalized person have a pre-existing condition and one of the issues above?
    The person I know that is hospitalized seemed healthy, but I don't know her that well. There is another person who is an employee at a restaurant who had the J&J vaccine and was hospitalized. All of the employees at the restaurant either had symptoms or tested positive. The owner is a family friend.

    The people that I know better were vaccinated months ago. People with either the J&J or one of the two shot vaccines. They don’t have that bad of cases, but then again, many people never did get super bad cases even before vaccines.
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