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    Trust the Science [MIT Says Anti-Vaxxers Aren’t So Stupid, After All]

    According to MIT Study, Covid-19 Skeptics are Highly Informed on the Data​

    July 20, 2021 by IWB


    By Chris Black

    If you’re still wasting your time with the legacy media, you’re aware of the fact that people who doubt the official coronavirus narrative are portrayed as utter morons, crazy conspiracy theorists, antivaxxers, anti-science, etc.

    However, according to an MIT study conducted last March, which obviously went under the radar because it doesn’t support the narrative, the majority of the people in the “skeptic movement” are highly informed individuals, who are actually using official data to make their arguments.

    It’s quite amazing that the establishment is actually admitting this, as the mainstream media is still framing skeptics as “right wing” retards who are victims of disinformation.
    The current propaganda that’s being rolled out 24/7 is that you’re either in full agreement with the legacy media/the government (same thing), or you’re a retard who believes crazy conspiracy theories that make no sense.

    Hence, the MIT study was ignored and buried. However, the study concluded that that people will believe the official narrative more the less information they have.

    MIT News, March 4, 2021:

    A study from MIT shows how coronavirus skeptics have marshalled data visualizations online to argue against public health orthodoxy about the benefits of mask mandates. Such “counter-visualizations” are often quite sophisticated, using datasets from official sources and state-of-the-art visualization methods.

    The researchers combed through hundreds of thousands of social media posts and found that coronavirus skeptics often deploy counter-visualizations alongside the same “follow-the-data” rhetoric as public health experts, yet the skeptics argue for radically different policies. The researchers conclude that data visualizations aren’t sufficient to convey the urgency of the Covid-19 pandemic, because even the clearest graphs can be interpreted through a variety of belief systems.

    A lot of people think of metrics like infection rates as objective,” says Crystal Lee. “But they’re clearly not, based on how much debate there is on how to think about the pandemic. That’s why we say data visualizations have become a battleground.”



    And those visualizations weren’t sloppy. “They are virtually indistinguishable from those shared by mainstream sources,” says Satyanarayan. “They are often just as polished as graphs you would expect to encounter in data journalism or public health dashboards.”
    “It’s a very striking finding,” says Lee. “It shows that characterizing antimask groups as data-illiterate or not engaging with the data, is empirically false.”

    If you read carefully the whole article, it appears like the MIT guys are actually demanding for the peasants to be given less information, because they are getting uppity.

    And I’ve noticed that trend lately, i.e. the current administration is very aggressive in calling for a total shutdown on any information that runs counter to the official vaxx narrative.

    Seriously, who the $#@! is the White House to be dictating who should and should not be banned from social media platforms, to keep lists of who they think are the spreaders of "misinformation," and then pressure companies they regulate to obey? This is pernicious $#@!: t.co/WlZlbCjlqT
    — Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) July 16, 2021

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    I'd encourage anyone to go actually read the reporting of that MIT study. https://news.mit.edu/2021/when-more-...rstanding-0304

    It's rather laughable. They used empirical data to show that people choose their own narratives and then use data to support them, but then they totally miss the fact that they're doing the same exact thing! Even when confronted with the fact that their empirical data was in conflict with their narratives, they just recrafted their narrative slightly to account for the new data.

    So, instead of "these people are wrong because they aren't working with facts", it turned into "these people are only selecting which facts support their biases". Totally missing the fact they did the same thing. For example...
    Lee’s team followed and analyzed conversations about data visualizations in antimask Facebook groups — a practice they dubbed “deep lurking,” an online version of the ethnographic technique called “deep hanging out.” Lee says “understanding a culture requires you to observe the day-to-day informal goings-on — not just the big formal events. Deep lurking is a way to transpose these traditional ethnography approaches to digital age.”
    They call them "anti-masking" groups, rather than pro-freedom groups. And they forget their own observer bias in their "deep lurking".
    The qualitative findings from deep lurking appeared consistent with the quantitative Twitter findings. Antimaskers on Facebook weren’t eschewing data. Rather, they discussed how different kinds of data were collected and why. “Their arguments are really quite nuanced,” says Lee. “It’s often a question of metrics.” For example, antimask groups might argue that visualizations of infection numbers could be misleading, in part because of the wide range of uncertainty in infection rates, compared to measurements like the number of deaths. In response, members of the group would often create their own counter-visualizations, even instructing each other in data visualization techniques.
    So, they obfuscate that the people pushing the mainstream narratives are doing the EXACT same thing. But because they believe that narrative and have deemed it as "truth", there's no need for a study.
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    https://odysee.com/@PatrickWalkey:6/...yx:5?src=embed

    IF PEOPLE GET JABBED AFTER WATCHING THIS THEY ARE BEYOND SAVING

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    Exclamation MIT Says Anti-Vaxxers Aren’t So Stupid, After All

    MIT Says Anti-Vaxxers Aren’t So Stupid, After All

    https://www.libertynation.com/mit-sa...pid-after-all/

    Sophisticated and scientifically literate – how a new study describes people who resist the needle.

    By: Pennel Bird July 25, 2021

    To say we have largely bungled the national and international response to a coronavirus with an overall survivability rate of 99.26% according to CDC (99.997% if you’re below the age of 25) is axiomatic. Of course, we have – and a new study out of MIT suggests that those who are still skeptical of the state-approved pandemic response might be a lot smarter than they are being portrayed.

    Lockdowns have thrown over 150 million people worldwide into extreme poverty, according to the World Bank. Suicides increased dramatically during these lockdowns, as did drug overdoses, which spiked by 38.4% in the USA. The long-term impacts of lost education for 1.2 billion children deprived of traditional learning are yet to be calculated. Over 200,000 businesses closed during COVID-19 mitigation efforts in America. Two administrations have relied on the decidedly mixed messaging of Dr. Anthony Fauci, who never met an assertion he wouldn’t later reverse.

    Given the sobering realities about American leadership throughout the pandemic, is it any wonder John Q. Public is skeptical about the sagacity of aggressively messaged COVID-19 initiatives such as masking and vaccination?

    In particular, the language around vaccination – the lovechild of the romance between the media and the administration – is increasingly coercive. It includes an astonishing admission that the president and his foot soldiers are collaborating with Big Tech to suppress “misinformation” – otherwise known as free speech – about all matters COVID. The talking point that “this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated” is patently and demonstrably false. One need only look to the United Kingdom – which this week announced that fully 47% of new COVID infections and hospitalizations are among the vaccinated – to see this assertion for the draconian dissembling it is.

    White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki can deliver the cynical bromide that the Biden administration is “not here to place blame or threats.” But that is bureaucratic doublespeak when the president himself insisted the next frontier is going “door to door” to “encourage vaccination and that those companies not in lockstep with the administration are “killing people.” Psaki herself knows full well that all of corporate America is in possession of the cereal box decoder device by which private industry gleans its marching orders to suppress any thoughts, ideas, or opinions that dissent from the President’s policies. And they’ve been only too happy to comply. But apparently, incentives such as free donuts, baseball tickets, tuition, and lap dances weren’t enough to move the needle – even after the White House earmarked four billion dollars to PR the public.

    In lieu of failed vaccine cheerleading and free prizes, a more aggressive approach is taking hold. Fomenting resentment towards those dangerous “anti-vaxxers” who now constitute the roughly 50% of America that has steadfastly refused the troubled, experimental COVID vaccines has been wildly successful. Every day the loud drumbeat of angry reprisal against those who dare to make a personal medical choice for themselves grows apace. Even sunsetting Obama-era bureaucrats, Kathleen Sibelius and Valerie Jarret have both weighed in about the need to visit harsher coercive measures upon their addled, independent-minded fellow Americans. Even though Biden and Vice President Harris both voiced skepticism of Trump’s “warp speed vaccine” last year, they have now Fauci-ed and changed their opinions 180 degrees. The current establishment view and the conventional wisdom is that folks resisting the jab must be low-IQ dolts. But is that true?

    In the midst of this desperately bigoted attempt to paint half of America with a broad brush of ignorance comes an MIT study about these inconveniently vaccine-hesitant citizens. One journalist recently asserted:

    “Proponents of the vaccine are unwilling or unable to understand the thinking of vaccine skeptics — or even admit that skeptics may be thinking at all. Their attempts to answer skepticism or understand it end up poisoned by condescension, and end up reinforcing it.”

    The writer goes on to aver that, in contravention to the media and the administration’s “anti-vaxxer” smears, the MIT study concluded that the methods used by those who argue against the efficacy of masks and the COVID vaccines are reasoned and intelligent. This “public health skepticism” he asserts, is “highly informed, scientifically literate and sophisticated in the use of data.” The MIT study further concluded that despite labeling these Americans “anti-vaxxers” and “anti-maskers,” and accusing them of conspiracy theorizing, the truth is far more nuanced. The venerable institution asserts the overwhelming calculus among these free-thinking Americans is based on a sophisticated cost-benefit analysis.

    So much for besmirching nearly half of The United States as “ignorant.” Is it time for those Americans who reflexively trust everything the media and the administration tells them to reconsider? Or at the very least to refrain from blanket judgments of their fellow Americans who have sound reasons to question the lock-step messaging to which they are relentlessly subject?
    According to government's own numbers, over half a MILLION people are dead, just in the US alone, because of a man made virus designed to be even more deadly than what would be found in nature, released, possibly on purpose, from a Chinese lab, a virus that that was created from funding and prior research given to the Chinese scientists by our own government because we, in fit of sanity, pulled the plug on funding here.

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    According to government's own numbers, over half a MILLION people are dead, just in the US alone, because of a man made virus designed to be even more deadly than what would be found in nature, released, possibly on purpose, from a Chinese lab, a virus that that was created from funding and prior research given to the Chinese scientists by our own government because we, in fit of sanity, pulled the plug on funding here.



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    I found the following MIT study a lot more shocking (just look at the title!)...

    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter
    The title of the following May 2021 is surprising in that it's coming from the reputable MIT, "Worse Than the Disease? Reviewing Some Possible Unintended Consequences of the mRNA Vaccines Against COVID-19" (42 pages long).

    The Moderna vaccine demonstrated an absolute risk reduction of a mere 1.1%, while the Pfizer vaccine absolute risk reduction is only 0.7%.

    A 2018 publication concluded that "unprecedented" vaccines, like the emergency approved COVID vaccines, are expected to take 12.5 years to develop and have only a 2% probability of getting approved after a proper medical study (including Phase III).

    Many aspects of the COVID-19 vaccine development are unprecedented, including "6. First vaccine to make no clear claims about reducing infections, transmissibility, or deaths".

    The authors make some suggestions to monitor the effects of the vaccines, including:
    •Studies comparing populations who were vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines and those who were not to confirm the expected decreased infection rate and milder symptoms of the vaccinated group, while at the same time comparing the rates of various autoimmune diseases and prion diseases in the same two populations.
    .
    With the conclusion (courtesy of MIT).

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    MIT seems bound and determined to maintain their excellent reputation.

    I wonder how they're going to fare without any federal funding?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    I'd encourage anyone to go actually read the reporting of that MIT study. https://news.mit.edu/2021/when-more-...rstanding-0304

    It's rather laughable. They used empirical data to show that people choose their own narratives and then use data to support them, but then they totally miss the fact that they're doing the same exact thing! Even when confronted with the fact that their empirical data was in conflict with their narratives, they just recrafted their narrative slightly to account for the new data.

    So, instead of "these people are wrong because they aren't working with facts", it turned into "these people are only selecting which facts support their biases". Totally missing the fact they did the same thing. For example...

    They call them "anti-masking" groups, rather than pro-freedom groups. And they forget their own observer bias in their "deep lurking".

    So, they obfuscate that the people pushing the mainstream narratives are doing the EXACT same thing. But because they believe that narrative and have deemed it as "truth", there's no need for a study.
    What I mainly got from the MIT article was “OMG! Anti-vaxxers can make graphs and rational arguments. We need a new way to counter that, they are better at Excel and PowerPoint than we are!”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    https://odysee.com/@PatrickWalkey:6/...yx:5?src=embed

    IF PEOPLE GET JABBED AFTER WATCHING THIS THEY ARE BEYOND SAVING
    That is quite an example of how professional and sophisticated the anti-COVID-vaxxers can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    That is quite an example of how professional and sophisticated the anti-COVID-vaxxers can be.
    Huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Huh?
    No sarcasm in that. The OP talks about the MIT study, which expressed surprise that anti-vaxxers could make graphs and graphics. That video was very professional and well made.
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