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  1. #91
    I have been saying it for over a year that Fauci will be the patsy for this thing. I hope he hangs, but he's the equivalent of Baghdad Bob. He's a useful idiot they put on TV to be the PLEASE character from "How I Met Your Mother." The real people responsible will get away with it as always.



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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    That is perhaps the most outrageous aspect about all of this. Fauci has engaged in corrupt cronyism, lies and cover-ups that would hardly be acceptable for anyone at any time.

    Obviously there is bias, and Fauci has become another partisan issue, but with the known evidence at this point, the spectrum of actions on Fauci should range from "fire him" to "jail him" to capital punishment at one extreme. The middle ground is to try him. The minimum action should be to fire him. He is truly not fit for the job, if simply because of the known lies.

    But when partisanship becomes a religion, as has happened with the cult of Fauci and his ineffective vaccine, then reason is no longer a consideration.
    I know what you're saying here but I feel like the minimum action should really be to try him. Why should he be able to cause what happened the past 18 months without at least facing trial.

  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt4Liberty View Post
    I have been saying it for over a year that Fauci will be the patsy for this thing. I hope he hangs, but he's the equivalent of Baghdad Bob. He's a useful idiot they put on TV to be the PLEASE character from "How I Met Your Mother." The real people responsible will get away with it as always.
    Agreed. Though I absolutely want Fauci to be on trial, he's likely just the public face of all of this. How about we start with Bill Gates and go from there.

  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by BortSimpson View Post
    Agreed. Though I absolutely want Fauci to be on trial, he's likely just the public face of all of this. How about we start with Bill Gates and go from there.
    There's a reason they put him on TV every possible second they can. They made Fauci memorabilia. They even created a children's book about him. He loves the spotlight so it's going to be easy. At the end, it's going to be "Don't blame us, we were following Fauci."

  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt4Liberty View Post
    There's a reason they put him on TV every possible second they can. They made Fauci memorabilia. They even created a children's book about him. He loves the spotlight so it's going to be easy. At the end, it's going to be "Don't blame us, we were following Fauci."
    Good point. I could see them just trying to make it all about one person and then say "Whoops - innocent mistake! These things are complicated. Of course we won't put him on trial but he's going to retire now". Then humanity will be left to pick up the pieces. And of course TPTB will volunteer a (problem reaction) solution called "The Great Reset!"

  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt4Liberty View Post
    I have been saying it for over a year that Fauci will be the patsy for this thing. I hope he hangs, but he's the equivalent of Baghdad Bob. He's a useful idiot they put on TV to be the PLEASE character from "How I Met Your Mother." The real people responsible will get away with it as always.
    Fauci’s love of the spotlight makes him a prime target.

    It has been assumed that Fauci controls the purse strings for all of that government grant money. That’s a pretty powerful position in a crony kleptocracy. Did he really control that money? Did he reward friends, take kick-backs, punish people he didn’t like?

    He is in the middle of a huge ecosystem of cronyism. Plenty of people involved. Fauci may be the best fall-guy, except for the fact that he is 100% with them. At what point would they actually throw him under the bus?
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  9. #97
    Wait, I thought that never happened?


    Fauci Defends NIH Funding Wuhan Lab: ‘Only Regret’ Is That It’s Caused ‘Such a Degree of Distraction’

    https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021...f-distraction/

    Ian Hanchett 23 Sep 2021

    During an interview with CBS’ “The Takeout” podcast recorded on Wednesday and released on Thursday, White House Chief Medical Adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci defended the NIH funding research at the Wuhan Institute Virology and said that “the only regret is that what it has caused right now is such a degree of distraction” from combating the pandemic.

    Host Major Garrett asked, [relevant exchange begins around 7:35] “There were two grants from the National Institutes of Health into investigatory work in the field in the Wuhan Institute of Virology and another institution there. Have you run to ground what those did or didn’t do in terms of creating any atmosphere in which a leak could have occurred or might have occurred?”

    Fauci responded, “Well, the grants that [were] funded were to do surveillance in the environment to ask and answer questions that I just mentioned, when you go out, do you see any viruses out there that could potentially evolve to infect humans and do you do surveillance among people in those areas in China to see if there’s any inkling that, under the radar screen, such viruses may have been circulating. In fact, one of the papers that came out from studies from that grant was extremely important in putting a definitive stamp of understanding of how the original SARS-CoV-1 was able to evolve. So, those were questions that got a high priority in peer review to do the research to try and understand that.”

    Garrett then asked, “And to those who think there might be some type of scandal or something incorrect or ill-advised about those grants, what would you say, Dr. Fauci?”

    Fauci answered, “Well, what you do, Major, is you take a look at the viruses that [were] worked on under the auspices of that grant and what the grant was directed for. And you look at the publications that came from the research associated with that grant. The viruses that were worked with in that environment, in that particular context of that grant could not possibly molecularly evolved into what we know now as SARS-CoV-2. Because when you look at how you can go from one virus and do something with it to get to be another, the viruses that the grant allowed the investigators, competent investigators to work with, molecularly, were so different than what ultimately came out to be SARS-CoV-2 that anyone that looks at those two viruses who knows anything about evolutionary virology will tell you that they’re so far apart that you couldn’t possibly have had it emerge into that particular virus.”

    Garrett then asked, “Real quickly, no regrets about those grants?”

    Fauci responded, “Well, the only regret is that what it has caused right now is such a degree of distraction [from] trying to do what we really should be doing, is addressing the outbreak, and what we did, and did quite successfully, was to develop vaccines that have now been life-saving. That’s what the job of myself and my team and my institute is, and, thankfully, we did that very successfully.”
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  10. #98
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Garrett then asked, “And to those who think there might be some type of scandal or something incorrect or ill-advised about those grants, what would you say, Dr. Fauci?”

    Fauci answered, “Well, what you do, Major, is you take a look at the viruses that [were] worked on under the auspices of that grant and what the grant was directed for. And you look at the publications that came from the research associated with that grant. The viruses that were worked with in that environment, in that particular context of that grant could not possibly molecularly evolved into what we know now as SARS-CoV-2. Because when you look at how you can go from one virus and do something with it to get to be another, the viruses that the grant allowed the investigators, competent investigators to work with, molecularly, were so different than what ultimately came out to be SARS-CoV-2 that anyone that looks at those two viruses who knows anything about evolutionary virology will tell you that they’re so far apart that you couldn’t possibly have had it emerge into that particular virus.”
    So, understand how Fauci is trying to escape this...

    He is saying that the funding we gave them to do gain of function was only for specific tests. So, if you have 10 test tubes in your test tube rack, the US only funded like 3 of them. So, if the fourth one spilled out into the public, he bears no responsibility. This is literally his argument. It's the same lab. The same scientists. The same equipment. But we didn't fund that specific virus.

    This guy needs to fry. His department (along with other governments) is responsible for the death of millions of people worldwide, but that is a distraction.
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  11. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    So, understand how Fauci is trying to escape this...

    He is saying that the funding we gave them to do gain of function was only for specific tests. So, if you have 10 test tubes in your test tube rack, the US only funded like 3 of them. So, if the fourth one spilled out into the public, he bears no responsibility. This is literally his argument. It's the same lab. The same scientists. The same equipment. But we didn't fund that specific virus.

    This guy needs to fry. His department (along with other governments) is responsible for the death of millions of people worldwide, but that is a distraction.
    It did not happen at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    And even if it did happen at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, we did not fund any researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    And even if we did fund any researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, we did not fund their gain-of-function research.

    And even if we did fund their gain-of-function research, it did not produce SARS-CoV-2.

    So move along, dammit! There's nothing to see here and this all just a distraction.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 09-24-2021 at 08:01 AM. Reason: h/t CaptUSA

  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    It didn't happen at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    Even if it did,
    we did not fund what happened at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    And even if we did fund what happened at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, we did not fund gain-of-function research.

    And even if we did fund gain-of-function research, it did not produce SARS-CoV-2.

    So move along, dammit! There's nothing to see here and this all just a distraction.
    You forgot the preamble. Added for you...
    "And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

    "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

  13. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    You forgot the preamble. Added for you...
    Oops! Good catch. Fixed in the original.

    Not that it matters, since it's all just a distraction ...

  14. #102
    Déjà vu all over again ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    https://twitter.com/RepThomasMassie/...94095060889600
    https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/stat...63099064029188


    https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/stat...69028887220227

  15. #103
    https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1450996489862459394



    https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/stat...55404213514245
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 10-21-2021 at 02:17 AM.

  16. #104
    Twitter thread by Richard H. Ebright (@R_H_Ebright): https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/stat...86756895117312

    via Threadreader: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...895117312.html


    How many times can one grantee violate the Terms and Conditions of one NIH grant without being penalized?

    (Apparently, if the grantee is EcoHealth Alliance, the number is at least [eight].)

    Violation 1:

    "No funds are provided and no funds can be used to support gain-of-function research covered under the October 17, 2014 White House Announcement (NIH Guide Notice NOT-OD-15-011)."

    Violation 2:

    "[S]hould any of the MERS-like or SARS-like chimeras generated under this grant show evidence of enhanced virus growth greater than 1 log over the parental backbone strain you must stop all experiments with these viruses"

    Violation 3:

    "[S]hould any of the MERS-like or SARS-like chimeras generated under this grant show evidence of enhanced virus growth greater than 1 log over the parental backbone strain you must ... provide ... NIAID Program Officer and Grants Management Specialist ... with ... data"

    Violation 4:

    'Progress reports document grantee recipient accomplishments and compliance with terms of award. Progress reports ... are due the 15th of the month preceding the month in which the budget period ends" (e.g., if the budget period ends 11/30, the due date is 10/15)."

    Violation 5:

    "Effective February 9, 2017, if the recipient organization has submitted a renewal application on or before the date by which a ... Final-RPPR ... would be required for the current competitive segment, then submission of an 'Interim-RPPR' via eRA Commons is now required."

    Violation 6:

    "NIAID defines a Highly Pathogenic Agent as an infectious Agent or Toxin that may warrant a biocontainment safety level of BSL3 or higher ... When submitting future Progress Reports indicate at the beginning of the report ... If your IBC or equivalent body or official has determined, for example, by conducting a risk assessment, that the work being planned or performed under this grant may be conducted at a ... safety level that is lower than BSL3."

    Violation 7:

    "When submitting future Progress Reports indicate at the beginning of the report: ... Any changes in the use of the Agent(s) ... including its restricted experiments that have resulted in a change in the required biocontainment level, and any ... change in location"

    Violation 8:

    "When submitting future Progress Reports indicate at the beginning of the report: ... If work with a new or additional Agent(s) ... is proposed in the upcoming project period, provide ... list of the new and/or additional Agent(s) that will be studied"
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 10-22-2021 at 11:22 PM.



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  18. #105
    Will Fauchi be charged? Will they Roger Stone him?

  19. #106
    Does anybody honestly believe that Fauci will ever be charged?
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