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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by A. Havnes View Post
    How did he not kill Floyd? I thought Floyd met the same end as Tony Timpa.
    It's parsing a fine line.

    Apparently, the coroner's report, which I understand was not allowed to be presented as evidence at the trial, if I'm wrong on that somebody please correct me, shows that he did not die of asphyxiation or injury to throat or larynx, but rather from an overdose of fentanyl and methamphetamines.

    Did getting roughed by the cops and made to eat pavement by the cops trigger the heart failure from drugs that killed him?

    Probably.

    But is that murder?

    And I hate being put in this position, defending the cops that roughed him up...I found myself in same spot 30 years ago with the Rodney King cops.

    I'm not in favor of show trials for anybody.
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown



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  3. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    ............

    And I hate being put in this position, defending the cops that roughed him up...I found myself in same spot 30 years ago with the Rodney King cops.

    I'm not in favor of show trials for anybody.
    No, I'm not either.

    The kops have a duty to protect those that they take into their custody......although just wait for that to be upended by some clown court.

    All Chauvin had to do was to place the gentle giant on the ground and keep a hand on him to make sure that he wouldn't spring to his feet and do the Jesse Owens and escape.

    But Chauvin grinned at the crowd and kept kneeling on his neck to show the Blue Team's occupation dominance over the rabble.

    Optics go a long way....long enough to land him in prison.

    Personally, I hope he dies in prison with his tongue pulled out of his slit throat.

    Kops aren't very smart, but they claim that the death sentence exists because it will deter crime.

    This is basically the only deterrence that exists now.

  4. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    This is basically the only deterrence that exists now.
    Anarcho-tyranny wasn't our idea. And it makes genuine anarchy look better every day.

    And guillotines.

  5. #124
    Caveats:

    People who get arrested don't like being arrested.

    and

    The following article comes from NPR.

    That being said, this article covers Chauvin's record as a kop.

    Spoiler: Choking and kneeling is his thing.

    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/0...e-george-floyd

  6. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    No, I'm not either.

    The kops have a duty to protect those that they take into their custody......although just wait for that to be upended by some clown court.

    All Chauvin had to do was to place the gentle giant on the ground and keep a hand on him to make sure that he wouldn't spring to his feet and do the Jesse Owens and escape.

    But Chauvin grinned at the crowd and kept kneeling on his neck to show the Blue Team's occupation dominance over the rabble.

    Optics go a long way....long enough to land him in prison.

    Personally, I hope he dies in prison with his tongue pulled out of his slit throat.

    Kops aren't very smart, but they claim that the death sentence exists because it will deter crime.

    This is basically the only deterrence that exists now.
    Considering that it will be cops going house to house to confiscate guns or arrest you for hate crimes because you beat up the trans queeer weirdosexual that you caught molesting your 8 year old son, in the not too distant future, yeah, my milk of human kindness and sense of fair play dries up as well.
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

  7. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Apparently, the coroner's report, which I understand was not allowed to be presented as evidence at the trial, if I'm wrong on that somebody please correct me
    It was presented as evidence and the coroner himself was called as a witness to testify.


    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    shows that he did not die of asphyxiation or injury to throat or larynx, but rather from an overdose of fentanyl and methamphetamines.
    The report is public. It's been public since before the trial. A two word Google search will present it to you as the top result.

    The report lists the cause of death as cardiopulmonary arrest. Nowhere in the report does it say what caused the cardiopulmonary arrest.
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  8. #127

    Chauvin's sentence is a miscarriage of justice. The big slob ODed.

    Officers were charged on May 29, 2020 based on an autopsy report which stated Floyd died from “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression.” This was BEFORE the medical examiner received the toxicology screening of Floyds blood taken when he arrived at the hospital. The examiner did not receive this report until May 31, 2020 - two days later.

    On the evening of May 31st, Dr. Andrew Baker (Hennepin County’s Chief Medical Examiner) had a discussion with prosecutors about Floyd’s toxicology report.

    On June 1st, Amy Sweasy (Assistant County Attorney) [recently in the news again] wrote a memorandum of that discussion which - for unexplained reasons - was not release by prosecutors till August 25, 2020 - three months later. The following is noted:

    The level of amphetamine in Floyd’s system was 19 ng/ML ...“a stimulant hard on the heart”.

    The level of Fentanyl was listed as 11 ...“a fatal level under normal circumstances”
    “Floyd’s lungs were 2-3x their normal weight at autopsy”
    Fentanyl causes pulmonary edema.

    “Hospital blood” (blood taken on arrival at the hospital - before death) gives more accurate toxicology results than blood taken at an autopsy, because autopsy blood undergoes “post-mortem distribution” (meaning it settles).

    Dr Andrew Baker said that “had Floyd been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contribution factors he would conclude that it was an overdose death.”

    —-------------------------------------------------—
    YES, this was all known by the summer of 2020 as you can see at the following link from August 26, 2020, which I had posted in a different thread back then: https://spectator.org/minnesota-v-de...-little-secret
    You can read the memorandum yourself at the above link. You used to be able to download the PDF at this link https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/henn...psy-6-3-20.pdf but it appears to have been removed. Perhaps this because of Amy Sweasy’s lawsuit against former County Attorney Mike Freeman? More about that below:

    Docs Reveal ‘Extreme’ Public Pressure on Prosecutors in George Floyd Case
    Posted on October 19, 2023

    ...New court documents expose the “extreme pressure” prosecutors faced in Hennepin County to charge Derek Chauvin and three other former Minneapolis police officers in the death of George Floyd....

    ...Several attorneys opposed charging the “other three” officers and withdrew from the case due to “professional and ethical rules...

    Now, hundreds of pages of sworn testimony of Hennepin County attorneys and other county employees that took place this summer have been made public....

    “There was extreme premium pressure, yes. The city was burning down,” Lofton said.

    He explained that while he “wanted the case charged” and believed there was “probable cause to charge Mr. Chauvin with third degree murder,” the pressure from outside the office was “insane” and he had reservations about charging “the other three cops.”...

    https://www.amren.com/news/2023/10/c...rge-floyd-case
    Last edited by Valli6; 11-27-2023 at 12:35 PM.

  9. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    No, I'm not either.

    The kops have a duty to protect those that they take into their custody......although just wait for that to be upended by some clown court.

    All Chauvin had to do was to place the gentle giant on the ground and keep a hand on him to make sure that he wouldn't spring to his feet and do the Jesse Owens and escape.

    But Chauvin grinned at the crowd and kept kneeling on his neck to show the Blue Team's occupation dominance over the rabble.

    Optics go a long way....long enough to land him in prison.

    Personally, I hope he dies in prison with his tongue pulled out of his slit throat.

    Kops aren't very smart, but they claim that the death sentence exists because it will deter crime.

    This is basically the only deterrence that exists now.
    My problem is that, regardless of the verdict, Chauvin did not have a fair trial, which means that we shouldn't expect fair trials as well. It was the equivalent of throwing a man into a volcano to appease the gods. Greg Gutfeld's reaction on Fox News highlighted this point.

    "I'm glad that he was found guilty on all charges, even if he might not be guilty of all charges. I am glad that he is guilty of all charges because I want a verdict that keeps this country from going up in flames."
    This is unacceptable, regardless of whether Chauvin may have deserved this fate.
    "I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
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  11. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    It was presented as evidence and the coroner himself was called as a witness to testify.




    The report is public. It's been public since before the trial. A two word Google search will present it to you as the top result.

    The report lists the cause of death as cardiopulmonary arrest. Nowhere in the report does it say what caused the cardiopulmonary arrest.
    So, he didn't die from asphyxiation.

    Was kinda of my point.

    But thanks for the clarification.
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

  12. #130

    no asphyxia, no strangulation, no injuries to Floyd's neck found

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So, he didn't die from asphyxiation.
    No, he didn't. There were no injuries to his neck at all.
    During her deposition, Sweasy also discussed a revealing conversation she said she had the day after Floyd’s death when she asked Hennepin County Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker about the autopsy.

    “I called Dr. Baker early that morning to tell him about the case and to ask him if he would perform the autopsy on Mr. Floyd,” she explained.

    “He called me later in the day on that Tuesday and he told me that there were no medical findings that showed any injury to the vital structures of Mr. Floyd’s neck. There were no medical indications of asphyxia or strangulation,” Sweasy said, according to the transcript.

    “He said to me, ‘Amy, what happens when the actual evidence doesn’t match up with the public narrative that everyone’s already decided on?’ And then he said, ‘This is the kind of case that ends careers.’”...

    https://alphanews.org/court-docs-rev...rge-floyd-case

  13. #131
    The Fall of Minneapolis



    The Fall of Minneapolis

    The film is based on Liz Collin’s Amazon bestseller, “They’re Lying: The Media, The Left, and The Death of George Floyd,” which exposes the holes in the prevailing narrative surrounding George Floyd’s death, the trial of Derek Chauvin, and the fallout the city of Minneapolis has suffered ever since.

    The documentary features more than a dozen interviews with the people directly involved, including exclusive interviews with former officers Derek Chauvin and Alexander Kueng who spoke to Liz Collin from prison. The families of Chauvin and Kueng also speak out publicly for the first time.

    The film also features current and former Minneapolis police officers who tell their harrowing stories from the riots, recount the planned surrender of the Third Precinct, and explain why so many of them left the job.

    The crowdfunded movie was produced by Alpha News journalist Liz Collin and directed by Dr. J.C. Chaix. Cinematography by Josh Feland.

    https://rumble.com/v3x4mjd-the-fall-of-minneapolis.html
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  14. #132
    Old news, but apparently the body cam footage shows that St. George of Floyd was swallowing an unknown tablet when the police were trying to pull him from the vehicle...

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  15. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    My problem is that, regardless of the verdict, Chauvin did not have a fair trial, which means that we shouldn't expect fair trials as well. It was the equivalent of throwing a man into a volcano to appease the gods. Greg Gutfeld's reaction on Fox News highlighted this point.

    "I'm glad that he was found guilty on all charges, even if he might not be guilty of all charges. I am glad that he is guilty of all charges because I want a verdict that keeps this country from going up in flames."
    This is unacceptable, regardless of whether Chauvin may have deserved this fate.
    This.
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

  16. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    No, he didn't. There were no injuries to his neck at all.
    In addition to not being strangled, George Floyd was also not killed by a poorly worded wish on a monkey's paw.
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  17. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So, he didn't die from asphyxiation.

    Was kinda of my point.

    But thanks for the clarification.
    It may shock you to learn that a lack of oxygen is one of the causes of cardiac arrest.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  18. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    It may shock you to learn that a lack of oxygen is one of the causes of cardiac arrest.
    So is having 2 1/2 times the lethal dose of fentanyl in your system.



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  20. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    It may shock you to learn that a lack of oxygen is one of the causes of cardiac arrest.
    In other shocking news, water is one of the causes of drowning.

    Stopping breathing can lead to lack of oxygen and cardiac arrest. Pulmonary edema (caused by opioids) can lead to lack of oxygen and cardiac arrest, almost another source of drowning...

    Record overdose-linked cardiac arrests

    The first study, led by University of California, Los Angeles, researchers and published yesterday in JAMA Psychiatry, involved 33.4 million patient emergency medical services (EMS) encounters from the beginning of the pandemic to May 2020 in the US National EMS Information System, a database of EMS visits from more than 11,000 agencies in 49 states. These visits made up more than 87% of all EMS encounters in 2020.

    The number of overdose-related cardiac arrests was compared with those from 2018 and 2019 and with provisional aggregate death data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) from 2018 through July 2020.

    Overdose-related cardiac arrests climbed 42.1% across the United States in 2020. Despite lower baseline rates, the largest increases occurred among Black (50.3%) and Latin American (49.7%) patients, those living in socioeconomically disadvantaged communities (46.4%), and in Pacific states (63.8%).

    Overdose-linked cardiac arrests began rising in April 2020, reaching a record single-month total of 2,112 in May. While EMS calls fell 17.7% from March to April, overdose-related cardiac arrests rose 98.3% in May. Then the rate began slowly falling, reaching a 21.4% increase over baseline in December. Over that time, overdose-related cardiac arrests stayed high throughout 2020, at 38.4% above baseline.
    ...
    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/big-spike...-amid-covid-19
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  21. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Valli6 View Post
    So is having 2 1/2 times the lethal dose of fentanyl in your system.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    In other shocking news, water is one of the causes of drowning.

    Stopping breathing can lead to lack of oxygen and cardiac arrest. Pulmonary edema (caused by opioids) can lead to lack of oxygen and cardiac arrest, almost another source of drowning...
    Wow, with so many possible causes of cardiac arrest, how will we ever know which one it was?


    I propose an entirely new process wherein a group of ordinary people will decide, after being fully informed by numerous experts who will be called to truthfully render their professional opinions.

    Unfortunately, I have yet to come up with a name for the group of people and the process.
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  22. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Wow, with so many possible causes of cardiac arrest, how will we ever know which one it was?


    I propose an entirely new process wherein a group of ordinary people will decide, after being fully informed by numerous experts who will be called to truthfully render their professional opinions.

    Unfortunately, I have yet to come up with a name for the group of people and the process.
    "fully informed by numerous experts who will be called to truthfully render their professional opinions."

    The Unicorn Chamber in Fantasyland?
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  24. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    It may shock you to learn that a lack of oxygen is one of the causes of cardiac arrest.
    What was his O2 saturation level?
    The whole narrative is absurd on its face - at the same time the USA was both founded on White supremacy, slavery, and genocide, yet always meant to be a place that infinity Africans, Indians, and South Americans could come for a "better life"? - Unknown

  25. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    "fully informed by numerous experts who will be called to truthfully render their professional opinions."

    The Unicorn Chamber in Fantasyland?
    Well, your other option is a nice, cozy place online where people tell you lies that conveniently align with your preconceived beliefs.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  26. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    What was his O2 saturation level?
    4.
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    Pinochet is the model
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    Liberty preserving authoritarianism.
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    Enforced internal open borders was one of the worst elements of the Constitution.

  27. #144
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Wow, with so many possible causes of cardiac arrest, how will we ever know which one it was?


    I propose an entirely new process wherein a group of ordinary people will decide, after being fully informed by numerous experts who will be called to truthfully render their professional opinions.

    Unfortunately, I have yet to come up with a name for the group of people and the process.
    Should this unnamed group of ordinary people be unbiased? Should they perhaps be selected from a location other than the very city of the incident that resulted in nationwide protests and riots? Would that be fair?

    Fentanyl is an opioid. Opioid overdose can cause breathing difficulties and death (https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-s...pioid-overdose). Even my father-in-law, who was a pharmacist, proclaimed just that when this became national news, so it isn't obscure knowledge to people who are familiar with opioids.

    Also, there is video evidence of George Floyd stating that he can't breathe while he was being placed into the back of the police vehicle, well before Chauvin pinned him to the ground. Negligent homicide would have been a more reasonable charge against Chauvin, since it could be argued that he had a duty of care when he detained Floyd, particularly since Floyd stated that he could not breath. Regardless of the verdict, the trial wasn't fair, so the outcome is tainted no matter what.
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  29. #145

    Chauvin stabbed 22 times by former FBI informant, gang member

    ...
    Charges: Derek Chauvin stabbed 22 times in prison by former FBI informant, gang member
    By Anthony Gockowski - December 1, 2023

    Former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin was stabbed 22 times in a Tucson, Ariz., prison Nov. 24, according to federal charges filed Friday.

    John Turscak, 52, faces charges of attempted murder, assault with intent to commit murder, assault with a dangerous weapon, and assault resulting in serious bodily injury.

    The complaint states Chauvin was in the federal prison’s law library around 12:30 p.m. local time when another inmate, Turscak, attacked Chauvin with an improvised knife, stabbing him 22 times. The attack took place at the Federal Correctional Institution-Tucson, where Chauvin is serving concurrently his 22½-year state murder sentence and 21-year federal sentence on civil rights charges in connection to the death of George Floyd.

    Corrections officers immediately responded to the assault and deployed pepper-spray to subdue Turscak, who told the responding officers that he would have killed Chauvin if they hadn’t responded so quickly...


    ...“After getting a call from Derek and hearing how it happened and how there was no one around and that Derek tried to fight him off, but at every turn he would get stabbed again and what this guy did, I’m wondering how something like this could even happen. Where were the guards?” Chauvin’s mother, Carolyn Pawlenty, told Alpha News Friday.

    “I’m in a state of shock that it happened. How safe is he now? Where are they going to put him where he is ever going to be safe again? I will not ever give up on getting the truth out. I am outraged, angry and shocked,” she said. “Thank God he’s alive.”

    (more) https://alphanews.org/charges-derek-...nt-gang-member

  30. #146
    It keeps happening because people keep paying government to do this $#@!.

    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/sta...25238395257006


  31. #147
    Out of date meme...



    If you want to be an attack dog for psychopaths, you had better be prepared to be expendable.

  32. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Out of date meme...



    If you want to be an attack dog for psychopaths, you had better be prepared to be expendable.
    Great meme!

    Very expendable indeed.

    It is almost like the 'gubmint is trying to tie up some loose ends using their "informant".

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  34. #150
    What are the odds that the next person that attempts to kill Chauvin will also be a former FBI informant?
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