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    There is no "homeless" problem in America

    It's time to end the charade and call out the elephant in the room. There is no "homeless" problem in America. Normal people can get housing, no matter how humble or shared it might be.

    But there is an epidemic, especially on the west coast, of drug addicts and mentally ill people living in the streets. These are often people who are a danger to the public. They have been in and out of jail, and account for much petty crime and the vast majority of street attacks on strangers. They do not want help from do-gooders that might inhibit their lifestyle or their insanity.

    Politicians and Marxist activists want this chaos and division to further their goals of bigger budgets, socialist revolution, and more power. Real estate developers use this a bludgeon on politicians and the public to expand their business.

    It's time to call it what it is, an epidemic of criminal behavior. And it is time to call out those who want to benefit from this misery. It is not about "homelessness".
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    Homeless Industrial Complex

    https://californiapolicycenter.org/t...trial-complex/

    Every major city in California is spending tens of millions or more on programs for the homeless. But most of the money is being wasted. Why? Because there is a Homeless Industrial Complex that is getting filthy rich, wasting the money, while the homeless population swells.

    WHAT IS THE HOMELESS INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX?

    Here’s how the process works: Developers accept public money to build these projects to house the homeless – either “bridge housing,” or “permanent supportive housing.” Cities and counties collect building fees and hire bureaucrats for oversight. The projects are then handed off to nonprofits with long term contracts to run them.

    That doesn’t sound so bad, right? The problem is the price tag. Developers don’t just build housing projects, they build ridiculously overpriced, overbuilt housing projects. Cities and counties don’t just collect building fees, they collect outrageously expensive building fees, at the same time as they create a massive bureaucracy. The nonprofits don’t just run these projects – the actual people staffing these shelters aren’t overpaid – they operate huge bureaucratic empires with overhead and executive salaries that do nothing for the homeless.

    An example of wasteful spending can be found in the homeless shelter being built in Venice Beach, where a permanent population of over 1,000 homeless have taken over virtually every public venue, including the beach. Because their tents are now protected by law as private space, they not only serve as housing, but as pop-up drug retailers and brothels. To get these folks off the streets and off the beach, a 154 bed shelter has been approved by the Los Angeles City Council. It will be a “wet” shelter, meaning druggies and drunkards will be able to come and go as they please. The estimated cost for this shelter so far is $8 million, which equates to over $50,000 per bed. Why doesn’t anyone ask why?

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    Florida has the opposite problem. There are professional homeless people here. They sit at the traffic lights where the wealthy come off the barrier islands with a sign begging for money. These people obviously are not homeless, they are clean and the women have designer clothes and handbags. It's a whole industry of scammmers.

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    The state of California would disagree with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Florida has the opposite problem. There are professional homeless people here. They sit at the traffic lights where the wealthy come off the barrier islands with a sign begging for money. These people obviously are not homeless, they are clean and the women have designer clothes and handbags. It's a whole industry of scammmers.
    Needless to say, there is no "homeless" problem. Scammers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Florida has the opposite problem. There are professional homeless people here. They sit at the traffic lights where the wealthy come off the barrier islands with a sign begging for money. These people obviously are not homeless, they are clean and the women have designer clothes and handbags. It's a whole industry of scammmers.
    Here in the Seattle area, there are plenty like that. There's a traffic light at a Fred Meyer near where I used to live. One kid was always there panhandling that didn't look very hard to do. One time I'm about the fifth car back. Everyone in front of me gave him money. In one light cycle, he probably earned over forty dollars from what I could tell, seeing several tens and a twenty. Per hour, this kid probably makes more than I do.

    There are plenty here like Brian mentioned in the OP as well. Drug addicts and people with serious mental problems. They're perfectly comfortable living that way. As far as I know, the term homeless industrial complex was created here, since the "compassionate" projects have been going on for a long time, creating just more and more bums on the streets.

    This in an area where anyone with a pulse can earn $20 per hour. I even joke that there's businesses that would seriously consider someone without a pulse. Add all the federal, state, and local housing programs and there's no excuse. The daughter of a business aquiantance was living in a downtown apartment that goes for $3600 per month for $800, as long as her income stayed below $48,000 per year. That's an additional $36,000 tax free per year.

    Instead of forcing these people into programs, they enable them more. Now that they're not prosecuting theft under $980, there's really no hope to right the ship. It's just going to be a series of constant failures. The stores will close. The taxes will increase, the property values will plummet. The whole time it's going to be blamed on those middle class people, that are left paying for this ponzi scheme. It's going to be Detroit in the 70s and 80s, but on a national level.

    The whole goal is to completely destroy American society, in a way that nuclear weapons never could. Khrushchev was right when he said they'll destroy us without firing a single shot. Look around, it's happening. It's not even Marxism that's the goal. That might be the future for the survivors, but that's not the goal. The goal is completely destroying society and the nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    It's time to end the charade and call out the elephant in the room. There is no "homeless" problem in America. Normal people can get housing, no matter how humble or shared it might be.

    But there is an epidemic, especially on the west coast, of drug addicts and mentally ill people living in the streets. These are often people who are a danger to the public. They have been in and out of jail, and account for much petty crime and the vast majority of street attacks on strangers. They do not want help from do-gooders that might inhibit their lifestyle or their insanity.

    Politicians and Marxist activists want this chaos and division to further their goals of bigger budgets, socialist revolution, and more power. Real estate developers use this a bludgeon on politicians and the public to expand their business.

    It's time to call it what it is, an epidemic of criminal behavior. And it is time to call out those who want to benefit from this misery. It is not about "homelessness".
    I somewhat disagree with the generalization that there is not a homeless problem. Have you looked at rents in these cities and what happens to people that lose their job? It is myth that there are homes waiting for the homeless.
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    Just give them a tent, an address, and BAM - no longer homeless.
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    I think it depends on what scale is applied as to whether it can be called a "homeless problem" or not. Here in Charlotte, a lot of low cost housing has been demo'ed and replaced with Agenda 2030 mixed use stack-n-packs. Areas that were pretty rough are alternatively being gentrified, which of course forces relocation of renters or outright homelessness. There were some tent cities popping up here (never happened before in 15 years I've been here) and they were slowly but surely expanding....until too many complaints about them being an eyesore to the bankers on their way to the office were registered. They were then deemed a public health threat by the city council and ordered cleared. Where those people went I have no idea. Gonna assume they didn't suddenly find the coin for a $2000/month nearby apartment, though. So is it a "homeless problem"? I guess it depends on whether you're the homeless one or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I think it depends on what scale is applied as to whether it can be called a "homeless problem" or not. Here in Charlotte, a lot of low cost housing has been demo'ed and replaced with Agenda 2030 mixed use stack-n-packs. Areas that were pretty rough are alternatively being gentrified, which of course forces relocation of renters or outright homelessness. There were some tent cities popping up here (never happened before in 15 years I've been here) and they were slowly but surely expanding....until too many complaints about them being an eyesore to the bankers on their way to the office were registered. They were then deemed a public health threat by the city council and ordered cleared. Where those people went I have no idea. Gonna assume they didn't suddenly find the coin for a $2000/month nearby apartment, though. So is it a "homeless problem"? I guess it depends on whether you're the homeless one or not.
    I smoked a rock through a soda can with a homeless guy in Charlotte once. Nice guy
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    I smoked a rock through a soda can with a homeless guy in Charlotte once. Nice guy
    He's probably on the city council now.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Just give them a tent, an address, and BAM - no longer homeless.
    Don't forget the ID. Can't have the address without the ALL CAPS NAME to join to it. That's bad for business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil21 View Post
    I think it depends on what scale is applied as to whether it can be called a "homeless problem" or not. Here in Charlotte, a lot of low cost housing has been demo'ed and replaced with Agenda 2030 mixed use stack-n-packs. Areas that were pretty rough are alternatively being gentrified, which of course forces relocation of renters or outright homelessness. There were some tent cities popping up here (never happened before in 15 years I've been here) and they were slowly but surely expanding....until too many complaints about them being an eyesore to the bankers on their way to the office were registered. They were then deemed a public health threat by the city council and ordered cleared. Where those people went I have no idea. Gonna assume they didn't suddenly find the coin for a $2000/month nearby apartment, though. So is it a "homeless problem"? I guess it depends on whether you're the homeless one or not.
    Yep.

    Some are homeless because of the ridiculous laws about zoning etc. Some are because they chose to live off the grid & their property was confiscated. Some are homeless because of the incredible inflation caused by the FED & their "money" means nothing.

    And, some are homeless because they will no longer live in The Matrix & are trying to get .gov out of their lives. I've worked with a lot of homeless people & most of them were good souls who were looking for peace.

    The answer, as always, is to get .gov out of anything "charitable" or giving, and let the locals take care of each other & any poverty problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Yep.

    Some are homeless because of the ridiculous laws about zoning etc. Some are because they chose to live off the grid & their property was confiscated. Some are homeless because of the incredible inflation caused by the FED & their "money" means nothing.

    And, some are homeless because they will no longer live in The Matrix & are trying to get .gov out of their lives. I've worked with a lot of homeless people & most of them were good souls who where looking for peace.

    The answer, as always, is to get .gov out of anything "charitable" or giving, and let the locals take care of each other & any poverty problems.
    Exactly. Government forcing people into being homeless.

    How many disabled or elderly people that can no longer work are being forced onto the street due to unable to pay property taxes. Property taxes, zoning = government playing a significant role in creating a homeless problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    I somewhat disagree with the generalization that there is not a homeless problem. Have you looked at rents in these cities and what happens to people that lose their job? It is myth that there are homes waiting for the homeless.
    Covered:

    Normal people can get housing, no matter how humble or shared it might be.
    I have never seen a normal person "homeless" for more than a month, and they may end up staying with friends or relatives. And no, people with no savings and no job do not get to live as if they are independently wealthy or highly paid professionals. People working minimum wage jobs meant for teenagers do not get to live by themselves in an apartment at the beach.

    This is nothing new. The only thing that is new is the Marxist class warfare, which preaches jealousy and victimhood, and those politicians, bureaucrats and developers that gain power and profit from that propaganda. And add to that massive immigration which increases competition for housing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Covered:

    I have never seen a normal person "homeless" for more than a month, and they may end up staying with friends or relatives. And no, people with no savings and no job do not get to live as if they are independently wealthy or highly paid professionals. People working minimum wage jobs meant for teenagers do not get to live by themselves in an apartment at the beach.

    This is nothing new. The only thing that is new is the Marxist class warfare, which preaches jealousy and victimhood, and those politicians, bureaucrats and developers that gain power and profit from that propaganda. And add to that massive immigration which increases competition for housing.
    I do not totally disagree that there is an intentional degenerate component but that is only just one part of the problem. The price of apartments and housing in some areas are absurd. You could be making a decent salary as a professional and still not be able to afford rent. Fewer people have friends these days or family they can rely on or be accepted in a house sharing arrangement. Let's not forget this is America where the entertainment media has been preaching that is a sin to allow children to live with their parents for years.

    It is also not as easy as you think. The last time I checked this out for others where I live there was a year waiting list. What are they supposed to do in the mean time if no family and friends, Family and friends sometimes are no where to be found when someone is down on their luck.

    I do not have a criminal record but having been unofficially - illegally falsely accused I can relate to people that do and are unable to find work or housing because of it, thus end up homeless. I have been turned down for housing and jobs a number of times based on fake police trying to intimidate me to not giving evidence against them through this method.

    Also during a housing shortage as a single father I was turned down by a number of landlords that said they did not accept kids. (It was a separate apartment, not sure how my kid would have been such a problem for them).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    I do not totally disagree that there is an intentional degenerate component but that is only just one part of the problem. The price of apartments and housing in some areas are absurd. You could be making a decent salary as a professional and still not be able to afford rent. Fewer people have friends these days or family they can rely on or be accepted in a house sharing arrangement. Let's not forget this is America where the entertainment media has been preaching that is a sin to allow children to live with their parents for years.

    It is also not as easy as you think. The last time I checked this out for others where I live there was a year waiting list. What are they supposed to do in the mean time if no family and friends, Family and friends sometimes are no where to be found when someone is down on their luck.

    I do not have a criminal record but having been unofficially - illegally falsely accused I can relate to people that do and are unable to find work or housing because of it, thus end up homeless. I have been turned down for housing and jobs a number of times based on fake police trying to intimidate me to not giving evidence against them through this method.

    Also during a housing shortage as a single father I was turned down by a number of landlords that said they did not accept kids. (It was a separate apartment, not sure how my kid would have been such a problem for them).
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Exactly. Government forcing people into being homeless.

    How many disabled or elderly people that can no longer work are being forced onto the street due to unable to pay property taxes. Property taxes, zoning = government playing a significant role in creating a homeless problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    I somewhat disagree with the generalization that there is not a homeless problem. Have you looked at rents in these cities and what happens to people that lose their job? It is myth that there are homes waiting for the homeless.
    The Seattle area is one of the worst for crazy prices. While I don't disagree with you that the government should get out of zoning, and allow property owners to do anything legal with their properties, that is not the cause. Living downtown is not some inalienable right. I can't afford to live next to Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos in Medina WA. Somehow, even with that, I am able to find a place to live. Actually, comparing rents here to current property values, the rents are cheap. A rental unit that would cost $400k here will have rental revenue around $1700 per month. That same unit would probably be less than $200k in metro Detroit, and you could probably receive around $1300 per month. I also provided you the example of "low income" subsidies getting people 3k off their rent in a luxury downtown apartment.

    You absolutely do not run into grandma living on social security that was forced to move out camping on the sidewalk in Seattle. That's just a leftist narrative to play with your emotions.

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    My experience is most are that way because they choose to be. Marxists taking money from others wont change that. If you want to donate to a local program aimed at providing help to the mentally ill that choose to seek it nobody is stopping you . What has been stopped is $#@!s spending my money. I havnt pd any Fed tax since I retired nor do I ever intend to .
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTexan View Post
    Just give them a tent, an address, and BAM - no longer homeless.
    Here in CA that is exactly right. The tent is considered private area and police must have a warrant to enter or search it as its camped on the sidewalk. In fact,one local city even hands out tents and sleeping bags.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!

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    Homeless. Yet another group marxists pretend to care about but don't care about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    Here in CA that is exactly right. The tent is considered private area and police must have a warrant to enter or search it as its camped on the sidewalk. In fact,one local city even hands out tents and sleeping bags.
    I was homeless on Venice Beach in 87,,for about a month,,

    LA ripped me off,, the beach gave most of it back.

    Turned 30 in Tacoma that year.

    I have some different perspectives,,,
    http://pcosmar.blogspot.com/2018/09/...-homeless.html

    But Welfare, Collapsing Economy,and pure hopelessness are the problem.

    Maintaining an address is not a requirement..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt4Liberty View Post
    ... As far as I know, the term homeless industrial complex was created here, since the "compassionate" projects have been going on for a long time, creating just more and more bums on the streets.

    ...The daughter of a business aquiantance was living in a downtown apartment that goes for $3600 per month for $800, as long as her income stayed below $48,000 per year. That's an additional $36,000 tax free per year.
    ...
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt4Liberty View Post
    The Seattle area is one of the worst for crazy prices.
    ... I also provided you the example of "low income" subsidies getting people 3k off their rent in a luxury downtown apartment.

    You absolutely do not run into grandma living on social security that was forced to move out camping on the sidewalk in Seattle. That's just a leftist narrative to play with your emotions.
    Exactly. If we want to talk about prices of something, that is a separate conversation. The "homeless" meme is just a false propaganda meme.

    On a Ron Paul Forum, it should be quite obvious why housing prices are high.

    - The Federal Reserve and monetary inflation. The cornerstone of everything Ron Paul.

    - Government interference in the market. A blatant influence with predictable results. Price fixing via rent controls reduces supply. Subsidizing people to pay higher rents increases prices. Some libertarians may focus on local government constraints on building. That certainly effects supply, but once again, I argue that there are vested interests at play that have no concern for the quality of life of the local people. Not everyone wants to live in an overcrowded Hong Kong style city.

    - Population increase also increases demand for housing. Increased demand raises prices. The population increases via immigration. It is not a natural population growth. And I again, I argue that the vested interests and hidden agendas on this subject are too much to even count.
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