We Can’t Police These People

[TheCount]

I know it has gone down across the board.

More guns = less crime.

The big drop in violent crime in the US happened before the start of that chart.

I never thought that was under question at all, at least not around here.

You're twisting your argument into something different. And you seem to be unable to answer my question.



Do you think that violent crime has gone down in "democrat run cities in black 'hoods" because "the right to bear arms has gained strength and recognition?"

[Anti Federalist]

Do you think that violent crime has gone down in "democrat run cities in black 'hoods" because "the right to bear arms has gained strength and recognition?"

Yes, I do, among other things.

Now, answer my question:

Is it your contention that the vast bulk of violent crime that occurs in the US, does NOT occur in black populated urban areas?

[TheCount]

Is it your contention that the vast bulk of violent crime that occurs in the US, does NOT occur in black populated urban areas?

No, the opposite.

How much has "the right to bear arms gained strength and recognition" in those places?

[Anti Federalist]

No, the opposite.

OK, just so we are clear here, you are saying that violent crime is NOT more prevalent in urban, black, cities?

If that is what you're saying, prove it.

How much has "the right to bear arms gained strength and recognition" in those places?

Very little in some areas, DC, Chicago, Camden, Baltimore to name a few off the top of my head.

A larger amount of strength and recognition in some of the cities that are in "pro second amendment" states that have adopted first, "shall issue" CCW systems and now, almost half the states that have "Constitutional Carry" laws in place.

As more people are armed, more crime is thwarted, many times without a shot being fired, which has lead to historic low crime rates, even with the recent uptick in violent crime due to Marxist revolution being declared.

[TheCount]

OK, just so we are clear here, you are saying that violent crime is NOT more prevalent in urban, black, cities?

I said "no, the opposite" of that.

The opposite of that is that violent crime IS more prevalent in urban areas.

Very little in some areas, DC, Chicago, Camden, Baltimore to name a few off the top of my head.

Exactly. We agree. So, as I said, it's not likely that increased gun rights and pro 2nd amendment movements have reduced violent crime in those areas. Those areas also have not become less diverse.


Then what DID reduce violent crime in those areas?

[Anti Federalist]

I said "no, the opposite" of that.

The opposite of that is that violent crime IS more prevalent in urban areas.

Right...got it.

Exactly. We agree. So, as I said, it's not likely that increased gun rights and pro 2nd amendment movements have reduced violent crime in those areas. Those areas also have not become less diverse.

Then what DID reduce violent crime in those areas?

I would say heavy handed police state policies, more than likely.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

The big drop in violent crime in the US happened before the start of that chart.

No. The concealed carry wave started in the late 1980s. States went from may issues to shall issue. Some states went from no issue to may issue. It continues today with the constitutional carry wave.

[Anti Federalist]

No. The concealed carry wave started in the late 1980s. States went from may issues to shall issue. Some states went from no issue to may issue. It continues today with the constitutional carry wave.

You're right.

Florida was the first "Shall Issue" CCW state in 1987 IIRC.

Marion Hammer was behind that.

[TheCount]

I would say heavy handed police state policies, more than likely.

Okay...


If

People who are relatively the same on all those counts, tend to get along with each better and have no need for a heavy handed police system.

Why do we need heavy handed police state policies to prevent crime in "black" neighborhoods which are inhabited by people who are almost exclusively all the "same" as per your argument?

[Anti Federalist]

Why do we need heavy handed police state policies to prevent crime in "black" neighborhoods which are inhabited by people who are almost exclusively all the "same" as per your argument?

That's a good question.

Everybody else in the world seems to be able to.

Why do you suppose that is?

The ten nations with the highest "Intentional Homicide" rate, which, by the way, is up to ten times as high as ours, are all majority African black or Mestizo populated.

[TheCount]

That's a good question.

Everybody else in the world seems to be able to.

Why do you suppose that is?

The ten nations with the highest "Intentional Homicide" rate, which, by the way, is up to ten times as high as ours, are all majority African black or Mestizo populated.

That seems to invalidate your argument that violence is caused by cultural diversity.

[Anti Federalist]

That seems to invalidate your argument that violence is caused by cultural diversity.

Just the opposite.

We all know only white communities, states, towns and nations need diversity, to spice up our bland white bread lives and keep a lid on the twin evils of white supremacy and white nationalism. There are never any calls to "diversify" China or Ghana by importing a bunch of white Europeans.

I live in a town, county and state that is 95% +/- ethnic white.

I've been here in my town over twenty years and there has been one homicide in all that time, a stabbing in a DV dispute.

This state is one of the safest in the nation in regard to violent crime, even with a severe opioid overdose epidemic ongoing.

What do you suppose would happen if we decided to "diversify" by importing 250,000 Hondurans, or South Chicagoans?

Of course, that is happening but nothing "we the people" decided on.

That's being decided for us by the Feds and multitudes of damnable "Christian" and Catholic charities.

[phill4paul]

Just the opposite.

We all know only white communities, states, towns and nations need diversity, to spice up our bland white bread lives and keep a lid on the twin evils of white supremacy and white nationalism. There are never any calls to "diversify" China or Ghana by importing a bunch of white Europeans.

I live in a town, county and state that is 95% +/- ethnic white.

I've been here in my town over twenty years and there has been one homicide in all that time, a stabbing in a DV dispute.

This state is one of the safest in the nation in regard to violent crime, even with a severe opioid overdose epidemic ongoing.

What do you suppose would happen if we decided to "diversify" by importing 250,000 Hondurans, or South Chicagoans?

Of course, that is happening but nothing "we the people" decided on.

That's being decided for us by the Feds and multitudes of damnable "Christian" and Catholic charities.

Not having a crime/homicide problem is white privilege. Can't have that. Whites need to experience the supremacism we have foisted on other communities.

[TheCount]

Just the opposite.

It strengthens your argument?

We all know only white communities, states, towns and nations need diversity, to spice up our bland white bread lives and keep a lid on the twin evils of white supremacy and white nationalism. There are never any calls to "diversify" China or Ghana by importing a bunch of white Europeans.

What does this have to do with what I said?

I live in a town, county and state that is 95% +/- ethnic white.

I've been here in my town over twenty years and there has been one homicide in all that time, a stabbing in a DV dispute.

Is that caused by ethnic homogeneity or is there another cause?

What do you suppose would happen if we decided to "diversify" by importing 250,000 Hondurans, or South Chicagoans?

Would South Chicago become safer if it had even fewer whites?

If there were no non-blacks in South Chicago, would it become the safest place in the United States?

[Anti Federalist]

Not having a crime/homicide problem is white privilege. Can't have that. Whites need to experience the supremacism we have foisted on other communities.

I recall reading exactly that somewhere.

[Anti Federalist]

Would South Chicago become safer if it had even fewer whites?

If there were no non-blacks in South Chicago, would it become the safest place in the United States?

Safest?

Hard to say.

Safer...without a doubt.

[TheCount]

Safest?

Hard to say.

Safer...without a doubt.

Why not? Wouldn't it be among the most homogeneous places in the US?


As another example, native american reservations are at least as homogeneous as the place where you live. Are they crime free?

[Anti Federalist]

Why not? Wouldn't it be among the most homogeneous places in the US?

As another example, native american reservations are at least as homogeneous as the place where you live. Are they crime free?

Son of a gun, you're right, diversity only works when it is being pressed onto white communities.

[TheCount]

Son of a gun, you're right, diversity only works when it is being pressed onto white communities.

Doesn't sound like you're describing a problem caused by diversity, but rather a problem caused by nonwhites.

[Anti Federalist]

Doesn't sound like you're describing a problem caused by diversity, but rather a problem caused by nonwhites.

Diversity is the introduction of non whites into white communities.

[Anti Federalist]

Just got a call from my son who is active military living in off base housing in Jacksonville.

Had to arm himself and prepare to return fire as two home boys in a white Nissan aired his apt. complex out this evening.

Called me to get the refresher course on talking to cops.

Yeah, need me some of that diversity.

[phill4paul]

Just got a call from my son who is active military living in off base housing in Jacksonville.

Had to arm himself and prepare to return fire as two home boys in a white Nissan aired his apt. complex out this evening.

Called me to get the refresher course on talking to cops.

Yeah, need me some of that diversity.

U.S. Law Shield. As sucky as it has to have to have it, much like a gun, it's better to have than not. If he needs the name of the Rep. in his area I can get it.

[tod evans]

[TheCount]

Diversity is the introduction of non whites into white communities.

That's not what diversity means.

[TheCount]

The ten nations with the highest "Intentional Homicide" rate, which, by the way, is up to ten times as high as ours, are all majority African black or Mestizo populated.

I missed this edit.


Those places are not very diverse. Doesn't seem to align with your theory.

[tod evans]

That's not what diversity means.

Well that's exactly what it's turned out to be.

[tod evans]

I missed this edit.


Those places are not very diverse. Doesn't seem to align with your theory.

Maybe if their political elite made a push to import inbred whites with attitudes and minimal self control then they too could experience 'diversity' as many cities in the USA do.

Oh, Don't forget to promote single parent households when importing those inbred whites so that you'll be assured of complete 'diversity' in a couple of generations.

[TheCount]

Well that's exactly what it's turned out to be.

If you say so

Maybe if their political elite made a push to import inbred whites with attitudes and minimal self control then they too could experience 'diversity' as many cities in the USA do.

So... those places are not diverse? Or are diverse?

[TheTexan]

That's not what diversity means.

That's pretty much exactly what diversity means. It's a Leftist trademark to deny the meaning of words. I would advise making an effort not to get into that habit.

[RJB]

So much wrong with this thread that I don't know where to begin.

Merrick Garland says that white supremacists are the biggest threat to our nation and for good reason. That's why people are leaving predominantly white neighborhoods to live in safer neighborhoods like Compton in California. Heck, people are flooding the southern border to get to the safety of Mexico. Even in safer neighborhoods that are pretty homogeneously African American you have the terror of white supremacists. A year ago a fine lad of African descent was attacked by whites claiming the neighborhood for the orange Hitler, "MAGA Country." You may have heard of Jussie Smollett. I mean you had to believe him or you are a racist.

Then during the BLM riots, a bunch of those white supremacists entered those neighborhoods, burnt down businesses and property owned by POCs. These bubbas didn't get caught or beat up, because they are so scary.

I live in a predominantly white neighborhood. I can't tell you how terrified I am that I may be the next murder victim. Someone gets murdered here once every ten years or so. It's terrifying. Merrick Garland is right.