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    Chauvin - Guilty on All Charges

    Derek Chauvin - Guilty on All Charges
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    Still gonna be riots regardless of whatever the verdict was.
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    Does this send a signal to cops that they’re not protected?? Somehow I doubt it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Still gonna be riots regardless of whatever the verdict was.
    Celebrations are also great excuses to riot and loot.
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    Mob rules.
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    Speaking of celebration, the MSM backrooms will be celebrating another propaganda victory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Mob rules.
    It was a political show trial to satiate the leftist mobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Celebrations are also great excuses to riot and loot.
    I'm fully expecting the media to justify all riots that happen as joyous celebrations.
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    I didn't realize that Chauvin tried to plea to third degree murder.

    I suspect that he knew that his goose was cooked.

    There may be room for appeal down the road.

    But that leaves plenty of time for him to break in his soap on a rope.

    He did it to himself.

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    How long until the media reports that he was found dead in his cell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    How long until the media reports that he was found dead in his cell?
    Chauvin didn't kill himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptUSA View Post
    Does this send a signal to cops that they’re not protected?? Somehow I doubt it.
    It sends a clear signal. Don’t kill black people. But it’s still open season on everyone else.



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    Clown world I’m watching on TV right now.
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    Keith Ellison, Minnesota Attorney General, just said that this was not justice. He said there needs to be reparations, and it is in the hands of the people (aka mob). He wants riots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparebulb View Post
    I didn't realize that Chauvin tried to plea to third degree murder.

    I suspect that he knew that his goose was cooked.

    There may be room for appeal down the road.

    But that leaves plenty of time for him to break in his soap on a rope.

    He did it to himself.
    I'm not a huge fan of the police, but my problem is that there seems to be a legitimate "reasonable doubt" that Chauvin killed George Floyd. The drugs in George Floyd's system, the fact that George Floyd stated that he couldn't breathe before he was pinned, a sliver of doubt about the exact placement of the knee, a supposed lack of post-mortem injury to the neck, etc., are reasonable to consider. I didn't have personal investment in the outcome of this trial, but I have a hard time thinking that it is a win considering the legal standard of "reasonable doubt" was mostly likely slaughtered (not to mention the witness intimidation and other shenanigans clouding this case).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Keith Ellison, Minnesota Attorney General, just said that this was not justice. He said there needs to be reparations, and it is in the hands of the people (aka mob). He wants riots.
    Good grief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Chauvin didn't kill himself.
    But George Floyd may have.
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    Do we know the maximum sentence of how long he's supposed to be in jail?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    I'm not a huge fan of the police, but my problem is that there seems to be a legitimate "reasonable doubt" that Chauvin killed George Floyd. The drugs in George Floyd's system, the fact that George Floyd stated that he couldn't breathe before he was pinned, a sliver of doubt about the exact placement of the knee, a supposed lack of post-mortem injury to the neck, etc., are reasonable to consider. I didn't have personal investment in the outcome of this trial, but I have a hard time thinking that it is a win considering the legal standard of "reasonable doubt" was mostly likely slaughtered (not to mention the witness intimidation and other shenanigans clouding this case).
    IMHO and from what I know about the charges, he was definitely guilty of the second degree manslaughter charge. It was gross negligence on his part. The third degree murder charge was also valid, as he engaged in reckless and dangerous actions.

    Second degree murder was the huge stretch, which requires some level of intent, but without premeditation. That charge also involves some level of mind reading to know intent, absent some confession or testimony by someone who claimed to know intent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    Do we know the maximum sentence of how long he's supposed to be in jail?
    2nd-degree “felony” murder: Recommended 10.5 years (max 40)
    3rd-degree “reckless” murder: Recommended 10.5 years (max 25)
    2nd-degree manslaughter: Recommended 4 years (max 10) and/or $20k fine


    FYI, the State has filed Blakely motion for aggravated sentencing, above and beyond guidelines, arguments for that will be heard over next couple of weeks. Chauvin could have had jury make call on aggravation factors, waived that right, The judge will now make that call.
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    Yeah.
    Political theater.
    Don't be shocked if this is quietly overturned in the next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    IMHO and from what I know about the charges, he was definitely guilty of the second degree manslaughter charge. It was gross negligence on his part. The third degree murder charge was also valid, as he engaged in reckless and dangerous actions.

    Second degree murder was the huge stretch, which requires some level of intent, but without premeditation. That charge also involves some level of mind reading to know intent, absent some confession or testimony by someone who claimed to know intent.
    It seems that, at worst, Chauvin was negligent, but that's assuming that George Floyd didn't die primarily or in totality from overdose. For what it's worth, my live-in, former pharmacist, father-in-law stated that an opiate (fentanyl) overdose can cause the respiratory muscles to stop functioning, resulting in a cessation of breathing. That seems like reasonable doubt to me.
    Last edited by Philhelm; 04-20-2021 at 04:51 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    IMHO and from what I know about the charges, he was definitely guilty of the second degree manslaughter charge. It was gross negligence on his part. The third degree murder charge was also valid, as he engaged in reckless and dangerous actions.

    Second degree murder was the huge stretch, which requires some level of intent, but without premeditation. That charge also involves some level of mind reading to know intent, absent some confession or testimony by someone who claimed to know intent.
    This seems accurate to me too.

    I also think it's strange for the charges to stack like that, it should be one of the three, whichever it meets the criteria for, not all three.

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    This whole thing is a turd sammich.

    But I will sleep like a baby tonight without a thought about Chauvin's plight.

    He and his kneel cushion have f'ed us all.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    I'm not a huge fan of the police, but my problem is that there seems to be a legitimate "reasonable doubt" that Chauvin killed George Floyd. The drugs in George Floyd's system, the fact that George Floyd stated that he couldn't breathe before he was pinned, a sliver of doubt about the exact placement of the knee, a supposed lack of post-mortem injury to the neck, etc., are reasonable to consider. I didn't have personal investment in the outcome of this trial, but I have a hard time thinking that it is a win considering the legal standard of "reasonable doubt" was mostly likely slaughtered (not to mention the witness intimidation and other shenanigans clouding this case).
    This whole cluster $#@! from day one is like every episode of Breaking Bad condensed into one painful hour.

    I have nobody to cheer for here...nobody to be in favor of...not even an anti-hero has emerged.

    Everybody involved sucks ass and I want no part of any of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    This whole cluster $#@! from day one is like every episode of Breaking Bad condensed into one painful hour.

    I have nobody to cheer for here...nobody to be in favor of...not even an anti-hero has emerged.

    Everybody involved sucks ass and I want no part of any of it.
    Welcome to New York City.

    The worst thing about it is, so much of the media is based there, and they have always been arrogant enough to assume the rest of us give a flying $#@! what goes on there.

    Imagine how much nicer this nation would be if what happened in New York City stayed in New York City.
    Because if someone doesn't "feel comfortable" with someone in this brave new middle school Official Culture, a death sentence is perfectly reasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    This whole cluster $#@! from day one is like every episode of Breaking Bad condensed into one painful hour.

    I have nobody to cheer for here...nobody to be in favor of...not even an anti-hero has emerged.

    Everybody involved sucks ass and I want no part of any of it.
    The criminal defense attorney seemed okay. Go figure.
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  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    I'm not a huge fan of the police, but my problem is that there seems to be a legitimate "reasonable doubt" that Chauvin killed George Floyd. The drugs in George Floyd's system, the fact that George Floyd stated that he couldn't breathe before he was pinned, a sliver of doubt about the exact placement of the knee, a supposed lack of post-mortem injury to the neck, etc., are reasonable to consider. I didn't have personal investment in the outcome of this trial, but I have a hard time thinking that it is a win considering the legal standard of "reasonable doubt" was mostly likely slaughtered (not to mention the witness intimidation and other shenanigans clouding this case).
    Even without those considerations, a 2nd degree murder charge seems a bit much. I haven't followed the case (at all), but I would doubt that there would be any evidence that the death was intentional.
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  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post

    Everybody involved sucks ass and I want no part of any of it.
    This is the camp I've been in since this started.

  34. #30
    What about the mis-trial because of Maxine Waters? Will he appeal?

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