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    Glenn Greenwald Describes Tucker Carlson, Bannon, and 2016-Era Trump as Right-Wing 全ocialists

    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/gl...ng-socialists/\

    I think the vision is, you know, you have this kind of right wing populism, which really is socialism, that says we should close our borders, not allow unconstrained immigration, and then take better care of our own working class people, and not allow this kind of transnational, global, corporatist elite to take everything for themselves under the guise of neoliberalism.

    Glenn Greenwald finally gets something right. Right wing populism is socialism. Trump and guys like Bannon and especially Tucker Carlson (who is the absolute worst) are fundamentally anti-capitalists. Something George Will has long said. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...e39_story.html



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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/gl...ng-socialists/\




    Glenn Greenwald finally gets something right. Right wing populism is socialism. Trump and guys like Bannon and especially Tucker Carlson (who is the absolute worst) are fundamentally anti-capitalists. Something George Will has long said. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...e39_story.html
    LOL at George Will.

    Next you'll tell me Bill Kristol is the light of truth.

    I'm perfectly happy where this is going, if I had my way there would a 30 percent import duty on every damn thing inbound from China and $#@!erberg and the rest would be in jail for conspiring to violate the Bill of Rights.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 03-05-2021 at 09:08 AM.
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    call it whatever you like but what it really is i think is an anti democrat platform of open borders welfare type movement .
    Do something Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    LOL at George Will.

    Next you'll tell me Bill Kristol is the light of truth.
    .

    George Will and Bill Kristol have next to nothing in common politically outside of disliking Trump.

    George Will has good solid libertarian views and I am fine calling myself a George Will Republican. George Will is 95% the same as Ron Paul on the actual issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    George Will and Bill Kristol have next to nothing in common politically outside of disliking Trump.

    George Will has good solid libertarian views and I am fine calling myself a George Will Republican. George Will is 95% the same as Ron Paul on the actual issues.
    "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Krugminator2 again."

    Tucker Carlson followed a similar path to some frequent posters here. He's a former Ron Paul supporter who has since that time repudiated the core ideas Paul ran on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/gl...ng-socialists/\




    Glenn Greenwald finally gets something right. Right wing populism is socialism. Trump and guys like Bannon and especially Tucker Carlson (who is the absolute worst) are fundamentally anti-capitalists. Something George Will has long said. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...e39_story.html

    finally? As much as I disagree with his solutions and his left wing philosophy, the guy hasn't been wrong about much of any of the issues that cause the problems.
    The wisdom of Swordy:

    On bringing the troops home
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    They are coming home, all the naysayers said they would never leave Syria and then they said they were going to stay in Iraq forever..... just like Trump said.

    On fighting corruption:
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had to donate the "right way" and hang out with the "right people" in order to do business in NYC and Hollyweird and in order to investigate and expose them.
    Fascism Defined

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd View Post
    finally? As much as I disagree with his solutions and his left wing philosophy, the guy hasn't been wrong about much of any of the issues that cause the problems.
    I agree with you about Greenwald. But I also agree that this particular line of argument from him does seem new to me. He's always been a big ally on civil liberties, but I don't remember him really being one on economic issues. I wouldn't have expected him to accuse people of supporting central management of parts of the economy as if he considers that a bad thing. I might have misjudged him on that though, maybe just because economic issues are not his hobby horse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    Glenn Greenwald Describes Tucker Carlson, Bannon, and 2016-Era Trump as Right-Wing 全ocialists
    He is right.
    If he'd been bit more descriptive, this would've been more accurate characterization of Abe Lincoln inspired MAGA movement's leader:

    ".... Describes Trump as Right-Wing 全ocialists social-liberal and most pro social-justice, pro LGBTQ civil rights GOP President in US history".



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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Krugminator2 again."

    Tucker Carlson followed a similar path to some frequent posters here. He's a former Ron Paul supporter who has since that time repudiated the core ideas Paul ran on.
    Ron Paul does a show five days a week, and he speaks for himself. Ron Paul is not calling Tucker Carlson, or those who oppose massive immigration “socialists”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    ...
    Glenn Greenwald finally gets something right. Right wing populism is socialism. ...
    Explain to us why that is the case.

    Greenwald is from the left, so he makes statements like this to try to gain support for socialism.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate. - B4L


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    The horrors... I sort of agree with @Krugminator2.
    Although, being such a dangerous thoughtcriminal, I take it one step further that left and right wing propaganda are 2 sides of the same coin (Fabian?).


    Some guy named Foster Friess financed Tucker Carlson's website Daily Caller.
    Foster Friess also donated to Mike Gabbard and his "socialist" daughter Tulsi Gabbard, who not very surprisingly has been pushed into the spotlight by Tucker Carlson.

    Foster Friess also financed (the "extreme" right?) Rand Paul, Mike Pence, and John Bolton's super PAC: https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lo...=2&state=&zip=


    In 2014, Foster Friess launched the so-called "Left Right Forward March", with Tulsi Gabbard as a prominent member. Maybe the name alone suggests that Friess agrees with me that there is (or shouldn't be) no real difference between left and right propganda.
    Foster Friess's "Left Right" initiative, also includes the President and CEO of The Heritage Foundation, Jim DeMint: https://lrlrfm.com/featured-supporters/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Explain to us why that is the case.

    Greenwald is from the left, so he makes statements like this to try to gain support for socialism.

    I avoid watching Tucker like the plague. But from memory...


    Wants to ban driverless trucks because truck driver is the most common job in the US and fears job loss. https://www.reddit.com/r/$#@!statist...riving_trucks/

    This whole rant about mergers http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...belas+nebraska

    Wants to cap credit card interest rates and limit access to credit https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4...tably-right-on


    Along with his view that free people shouldn't be allowed to do drugs, doesn't think marijuana dispensaries should even be allowed access to banks. https://www.marijuanamoment.net/tuck...mericans-dumb/

    And he has a general view that immigrants take jobs and suppress wages and trade isn't win-win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    Ron Paul does a show five days a week, and he speaks for himself. Ron Paul is not calling Tucker Carlson, or those who oppose massive immigration “socialists”.
    I've heard Ron Paul call people socialists before, and I highly doubt that he gives anyone a pass based on opposing massive immigration. Granted, I've also noticed that he generally doesn't throw that label around as freely as some do because he's pretty careful about what words like "socialism" actually mean. I've even heard him say that Bernie Sanders is really a Keynesian and not a socialist. But I've also heard him use more vague adjectives like "socialistic" for people who support policies that would move us in more socialist directions.

    I don't know if he's included the people mentioned in the OP in that label by name or not. But they're all pretty open about their opposition to libertarianism and Austrian economics, particularly Tucker Carlson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    I avoid watching Tucker like the plague. But from memory...


    Wants to ban driverless trucks because truck driver is the most common job in the US and fears job loss. https://www.reddit.com/r/$#@!statist...riving_trucks/

    This whole rant about mergers http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...belas+nebraska

    Wants to cap credit card interest rates and limit access to credit https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4...tably-right-on


    Along with his view that free people shouldn't be allowed to do drugs, doesn't think marijuana dispensaries should even be allowed access to banks. https://www.marijuanamoment.net/tuck...mericans-dumb/

    And he has a general view that immigrants take jobs and suppress wages and trade isn't win-win.
    Let's not forget when he praised Elizabeth Warren's socialist economic plan.
    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tuck...mp-at-his-best

    After a lengthy quote of her advocating all kinds of government intervention in the economy propping up industries, he says:
    Republicans in Congress can't promise to protect American industries. They wouldn't dare to do that. It might violate some principle of Austrian economics. It might make the Koch brothers mad. It might alienate the libertarian ideologues who to this day fund most Republican campaigns. So no, a Republican did not say that, sadly.

    Instead, the words you just heard are from -- and brace yourself here -- Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts. It's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    I avoid watching Tucker like the plague. But from memory...


    Wants to ban driverless trucks because truck driver is the most common job in the US and fears job loss. https://www.reddit.com/r/$#@!statist...riving_trucks/

    This whole rant about mergers http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...belas+nebraska

    Wants to cap credit card interest rates and limit access to credit https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4...tably-right-on


    Along with his view that free people shouldn't be allowed to do drugs, doesn't think marijuana dispensaries should even be allowed access to banks. https://www.marijuanamoment.net/tuck...mericans-dumb/

    And he has a general view that immigrants take jobs and suppress wages and trade isn't win-win.
    Right wing populism is socialism.
    Tucker represents all “right wing populism”?

    So in your examples, laws, controls and regulations are “socialism”?

    My definition of socialism tends to be the taking of money from one group, or everyone, and redistributing that money to others. While I might not agree with a speed limit on the freeway, I don't consider that “socialism”.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate. - B4L


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    Tucker represents all “right wing populism”?
    No. Bannon was also mentioned who advocates massive tax hikes and large scale government works projects.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    So in your examples, laws, controls and regulations are “socialism”?
    What? No Somalia reference? the job of government is to protect property rights. Regulations make sense only when you don't have clearly defined property rights where you can easily sue people like the environment or in very rare situations where you have systemic risk like nuclear weapons or the bank solvency.

    Regulations make zero sense in any instance Tucker supports.


    While I might not agree with a speed limit on the freeway, I don't consider that “socialism”.

    Because they aren't. Rules aren't socialism. You would likely have speed limits on private roads.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    the job of government is to protect property rights.
    The job of government is to protect individual liberty, of which the right to own, trade, and discharge property, is but one facet of a many faceted diamond.
    Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings. - Heinrich Heine 1823

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    ...And he has a general view that immigrants take jobs and suppress wages and trade isn't win-win.
    It isn't always win-win.

    And these arguments usually boil down to globalism. Globalists will always support unfettered immigration, perhaps with an exception or two*.

    Calling immigration control "socialist" is like calling all who oppose immigration control supporters of global totalitarian communism. The global totalitarian communists want unlimited immigration to break down and neuter specific nations, the US being one of the primary targets.

    *China for example, can ban all immigration, and engage in ethnic and religious cleansing, with nary a peep from the globalists.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate. - B4L


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The job of government is to protect individual liberty, of which the right to own, trade, and discharge property, is but one facet of a many faceted diamond.

    All rights are property rights. Your right to life and to be free do as please without harming others stems from self ownership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    It isn't always win-win.

    .
    It is or it would happen. Trade only happens if both sides think a deal makes them better off.

    Calling immigration control "socialist" is like calling all who oppose immigration control supporters of global totalitarian communism
    I didn't call immigration control socialist. There could be many practical reasons for restricting immigration.

    I have no sympathy toward the view Tucker espouses view that immigrants take jobs and suppress wages. that is an anti-capitalist viewpoint. There aren't a limited supply of jobs. And for every job an immigrant does that creates demand elsewhere in the economy so the pie grows overall and increases general economic well being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    It is or it would happen. Trade only happens if both sides think a deal makes them better off.
    That assumes there are only two people effected. For example, an importer in the US and a manufacturer in China may both benefit, but they are not the only parties effected. An American may get a lower price for cheap goods, but an American worker can also lose a job at the same time. When enough workers become unemployed, it can effect the entire economy, not to mention the ensuing growth of government when bleeding heart socialists propose welfare programs to sure the problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krugminator2 View Post
    I have no sympathy toward the view Tucker espouses view that immigrants take jobs and suppress wages. that is an anti-capitalist viewpoint. There aren't a limited supply of jobs. And for every job an immigrant does that creates demand elsewhere in the economy so the pie grows overall and increases general economic well being.
    Is taking into account supply and demand no longer "capitalist"? Yes, the pie can grow, and the pie can contract. But in an instant, if supply increases, demand decreases. Over time, the pie should grow. But that doesn't apply to an individual or a region. Jobs can be created in China, and those jobs can be lost in the US.
    "Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
    "Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
    They are what they hate. - B4L


    The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.



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