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    Exclamation Nation mag Essay Calls for ‘Blue-State Secession’

    This is the last chance to separate before bloodshed.

    We want it.

    Our enemies want it.

    Our founding document endorses it and recognizes the need, the right and the duty to separate, "when in the course of human events" it becomes a necessity.

    Secession now.




    Left-Wing Nation Essay Calls for ‘Blue-State Secession’

    https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...ate-secession/

    Joshua Klein 16 Feb 2021

    An article published on Wednesday in The Nation presents a thorough case for a “blue-state secession,” claiming it is “the only way to ensure democracy and equal justice” for all citizens.

    The essay, penned by writer and CUNY Professor Nathan Newman and titled “The Case for Blue-State Secession,” claims that despite “demands for secession by red-state leaders and conservative commentators” it is actually blue states that possess “the real case” for secession.

    Newman explains that American politics “systematically tilts money and power to smaller and more conservative states” which undermines “the interests of the majority of the population.”

    He adds that “[o]ur current constitutional arrangements are not just undemocratic; they starve blue states financially, deny human rights to their residents, and repeatedly undermine local policy innovation,” before referencing GOP candidates who “took the presidency,” or came close to doing so, despite losing the popular vote; and a Senate controlled by “a minority of the population” filling the Supreme Court “with a supermajority of Republican justices.”

    “Given the undemocratic power of the Senate to entrench its own minority rule, the threat of secession is the only viable route to restoring democracy and equal justice, not just for blue-state residents but for Americans in all 50 states who are hurt by our undemocratic political system,” he writes.

    Referring to the COVID-19 pandemic, Newman claims that it has:

    …transformed an ongoing political irritant into a murderous political indifference that we can no longer ignore,” before noting that a “disparity in Covid relief reflects the broader reality that many blue states send far more in taxes to the federal government than they receive back in public services or other government funding.

    Claiming the current political system “converts right-wing bias in political power into economic transfers that undermine blue states,” Newman writes that it is “not accidental.”

    “It’s built into the constitutional fabric of our nation,” he declares. “The fact that our presidential elections are determined by the outcome of the Electoral College vote rather than the national popular vote means Trump knew he would lose nothing by alienating New Yorkers or other solidly blue-state voters.”

    Claiming the Senate is “an even greater affront to democracy,” Newman notes that California has “68 times the population of Wyoming,” yet has “equal voting power in the Senate.”

    Newman then bemoans the “disproportionate power” granted to smaller states in shaping legislation.

    “West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin, who represents one of the smallest and whitest states in the nation, could now become the deciding vote on most major issues in the country, severely limiting the scope of any progressive change,” he writes.

    The author then blames “white supremacy” for disproportionate voting power.

    “The fact is that white supremacy is embedded in US policy, since racial minorities make up 44 percent of the population in the 10 most populous states but just 18 percent in the 10 least populous, which have disproportionate voting power in the Senate,” he writes.

    Newman proceeds to list additional ways in which blue states have been negatively impacted by the current system.

    “Six million undocumented blue-state residents have spent nearly two decades fearing the knock of ICE agents on their door and have been denied access to legal rights as conservative legislators filibustered to block immigration reform,” he writes.

    “The Senate has remained the graveyard of federal gun control, voting rights, campaign finance reform, minimum wage increases, environmental protections, and every other variety of broadly popular legislation passed by the House,” he adds.

    Other listed progressive state policies “struck down” by the “undemocratic structure” of a “right-wing Supreme Court majority” include: prolabor laws; the raising of local gas mileage standards above the federal level; and state predatory lending laws designed to stop subprime mortgage fraud.

    Claiming secession is far less extreme than the consequences of right-wing policies, Newman notes the harms the latter are responsible for.

    “If secession seems extreme, it’s no more so than the millions of undocumented families fearing forcible separation by ICE,” he writes. “It’s no more extreme than the steadily rising economic and racial inequality we face. And it’s definitely no more extreme than the body count we face from climate change,”

    Addressing the argument that secession would abandon millions of progressive red-state residents, including many black and Latino voters, “to the mercies of Republican abuses,” Newman claims there is little evidence to back the notion:

    As a united sovereign nation, blue states would not just be able to immediately improve conditions for their own residents but could also send the hundreds of billions of dollars in new budget surpluses, which they would no longer forward to D.C., directly to blue cities and rural blue counties stranded in a red-state nation.

    “Without the Senate veto, blue states could raise new revenue by increasing tax rates on the wealthy and corporations, and free up funds through lowered military spending,” Newman adds.

    Claiming that “blue states have higher growth per capita and disproportionately drive the economic dynamism of the current economy, from technology to medicine to creative industries,” Newman claims a blue-state nation would likely attract parts of a red-state nation.

    “One scenario would thus be a negotiated reconstitution of the United States along more democratic constitutional lines,” he writes.

    Newman furthers the idea of using a blue-state succession as an effective threat to achieve goals.

    “Similarly, a modern campaign would use local referenda on secession to spotlight the just claims of blue states for equal political representation—arguing for secession, but with the preferred first choice being national political reform,” he writes.

    “A blue-state secession campaign would be designed to negotiate an end to the Electoral College and our undemocratic Senate rules,” Newman adds.

    He then suggests that through pressure, meetings, letter-writing campaigns, and public referenda, people can “demand that state leaders either fight for equal representation for the blue states or threaten secession.”

    Another strategy he suggests is “pushing the House to refuse to approve any federal budget unless the right to secession is included, then using that leverage to lock in reform of minority rule in the Senate.”

    Newman then seeks to convey the gravity of the matter.

    “We face a mounting constitutional crisis—one that, in turn, amplifies the crises of voter suppression, racial and economic inequality, and climate change—with a majority will that is repeatedly thwarted by minority rule in every aspect of policy.

    “Ultimately, building a serious blue-state threat to secede is the only way to end this crisis and create a nation based on equal representation for all,” he concludes.

    The essay comes as some Democrats continue to promote moves against unifying the nation, though the notion of a blue-state secession is not a new one.

    In August, Democrats contemplated secession and potential civil war as they gamed out possible scenarios for a closely contested election.

    After the 2016 election, there was a surge in interest in secession in deep-blue California — so much so that the president pro tem of the state senate used his speech at the opening of the new legislature to discourage the idea.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11



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    Good, GTFO, and take those made up "rights" and the slavery that make them possible with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Works for me.
    Yeah, me too.

    It also works for China. None of the factions will be as powerful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Yeah, me too.

    It also works for China. None of the factions will be as powerful.
    China attacked us with a bioweapon that caused hundreds of thousands of casualties.

    Our response is to reward them with favorable political treatment and a supple new regime.

    This nation, as currently constituted, is not going to slay the Chinese dragon.

    It will not even try.

    Secession may possibly allow us to purge the Chinese moles and spies and influencers to mount an effective defense.

    But to think that the status quo establishment would do so is a sick joke.
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    It'd be good but it'll never happen.

    They'll be eating their own within a few months.

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    As a united sovereign nation, blue states would not just be able to immediately improve conditions for their own residents but could also send the hundreds of billions of dollars in new budget surpluses, which they would no longer forward to D.C., directly to blue cities and rural blue counties stranded in a red-state nation.
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    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 02-17-2021 at 05:35 PM.



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    Left-Wing Nation Essay Calls for ‘Blue-State Secession’

    https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...ate-secession/

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    TL;DR: "Submit. SUBMIT! GODDAM YOU, WHY WON'T YOU SUBMIT?!"

  12. #10
    OK , bye now
    Do something Danke

  13. #11
    Sounds like a plan. Now get to work on those articles of secession.
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    Calvin Coolidge

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    If they agree to leave peacefully I will agree on a county by county basis.

    But they will not agree to leave peacefully under any terms because they are driven to control others.
    They just spout off like this when they can't quite get full control, then they go back to trying to steal it.
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    just getting caught up here. Blue states are now racist neo-confederates? I heard the "S" word...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
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    Careful there. We don't want the great OB to end up coughing up both of his lungs.
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    As a united sovereign nation, blue states [...] could also send the hundreds of billions of dollars in new budget surpluses [...] to blue cities and rural blue counties stranded in a red-state nation.

    “Without the Senate veto, blue states could raise new revenue by increasing tax rates on the wealthy and corporations [...]"
    Unsurprisingly, this bozo doesn't seem to have accounted for what will happen when "the wealthy and corporations" flee from Blue State Fairyland to Red State Nation in order to escape the "increasing tax rates" necessary to account for those phantasmal "hundreds of billions of dollars in new budget surpluses." (Maybe they'll have to build a wall to keep them in ...)
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 02-17-2021 at 05:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    This is the last chance to separate before bloodshed.

    We want it.

    Our enemies want it.

    Our founding document endorses it and recognizes the need, the right and the duty to separate, "when in the course of human events" it becomes a necessity.

    Secession now.




    Left-Wing Nation Essay Calls for ‘Blue-State Secession’

    https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...ate-secession/

    Joshua Klein 16 Feb 2021

    An article published on Wednesday in The Nation presents a thorough case for a “blue-state secession,” claiming it is “the only way to ensure democracy and equal justice” for all citizens.

    The essay, penned by writer and CUNY Professor Nathan Newman and titled “The Case for Blue-State Secession,” claims that despite “demands for secession by red-state leaders and conservative commentators” it is actually blue states that possess “the real case” for secession.

    Newman explains that American politics “systematically tilts money and power to smaller and more conservative states” which undermines “the interests of the majority of the population.”

    He adds that “[o]ur current constitutional arrangements are not just undemocratic; they starve blue states financially, deny human rights to their residents, and repeatedly undermine local policy innovation,” before referencing GOP candidates who “took the presidency,” or came close to doing so, despite losing the popular vote; and a Senate controlled by “a minority of the population” filling the Supreme Court “with a supermajority of Republican justices.”

    “Given the undemocratic power of the Senate to entrench its own minority rule, the threat of secession is the only viable route to restoring democracy and equal justice, not just for blue-state residents but for Americans in all 50 states who are hurt by our undemocratic political system,” he writes.

    Referring to the COVID-19 pandemic, Newman claims that it has:

    …transformed an ongoing political irritant into a murderous political indifference that we can no longer ignore,” before noting that a “disparity in Covid relief reflects the broader reality that many blue states send far more in taxes to the federal government than they receive back in public services or other government funding.

    Claiming the current political system “converts right-wing bias in political power into economic transfers that undermine blue states,” Newman writes that it is “not accidental.”

    “It’s built into the constitutional fabric of our nation,” he declares. “The fact that our presidential elections are determined by the outcome of the Electoral College vote rather than the national popular vote means Trump knew he would lose nothing by alienating New Yorkers or other solidly blue-state voters.”

    Claiming the Senate is “an even greater affront to democracy,” Newman notes that California has “68 times the population of Wyoming,” yet has “equal voting power in the Senate.”

    Newman then bemoans the “disproportionate power” granted to smaller states in shaping legislation.

    “West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin, who represents one of the smallest and whitest states in the nation, could now become the deciding vote on most major issues in the country, severely limiting the scope of any progressive change,” he writes.

    The author then blames “white supremacy” for disproportionate voting power.

    “The fact is that white supremacy is embedded in US policy, since racial minorities make up 44 percent of the population in the 10 most populous states but just 18 percent in the 10 least populous, which have disproportionate voting power in the Senate,” he writes.

    Newman proceeds to list additional ways in which blue states have been negatively impacted by the current system.

    “Six million undocumented blue-state residents have spent nearly two decades fearing the knock of ICE agents on their door and have been denied access to legal rights as conservative legislators filibustered to block immigration reform,” he writes.

    “The Senate has remained the graveyard of federal gun control, voting rights, campaign finance reform, minimum wage increases, environmental protections, and every other variety of broadly popular legislation passed by the House,” he adds.

    Other listed progressive state policies “struck down” by the “undemocratic structure” of a “right-wing Supreme Court majority” include: prolabor laws; the raising of local gas mileage standards above the federal level; and state predatory lending laws designed to stop subprime mortgage fraud.

    Claiming secession is far less extreme than the consequences of right-wing policies, Newman notes the harms the latter are responsible for.

    “If secession seems extreme, it’s no more so than the millions of undocumented families fearing forcible separation by ICE,” he writes. “It’s no more extreme than the steadily rising economic and racial inequality we face. And it’s definitely no more extreme than the body count we face from climate change,”

    Addressing the argument that secession would abandon millions of progressive red-state residents, including many black and Latino voters, “to the mercies of Republican abuses,” Newman claims there is little evidence to back the notion:

    As a united sovereign nation, blue states would not just be able to immediately improve conditions for their own residents but could also send the hundreds of billions of dollars in new budget surpluses, which they would no longer forward to D.C., directly to blue cities and rural blue counties stranded in a red-state nation.

    “Without the Senate veto, blue states could raise new revenue by increasing tax rates on the wealthy and corporations, and free up funds through lowered military spending,” Newman adds.

    Claiming that “blue states have higher growth per capita and disproportionately drive the economic dynamism of the current economy, from technology to medicine to creative industries,” Newman claims a blue-state nation would likely attract parts of a red-state nation.

    “One scenario would thus be a negotiated reconstitution of the United States along more democratic constitutional lines,” he writes.

    Newman furthers the idea of using a blue-state succession as an effective threat to achieve goals.

    “Similarly, a modern campaign would use local referenda on secession to spotlight the just claims of blue states for equal political representation—arguing for secession, but with the preferred first choice being national political reform,” he writes.

    “A blue-state secession campaign would be designed to negotiate an end to the Electoral College and our undemocratic Senate rules,” Newman adds.

    He then suggests that through pressure, meetings, letter-writing campaigns, and public referenda, people can “demand that state leaders either fight for equal representation for the blue states or threaten secession.”

    Another strategy he suggests is “pushing the House to refuse to approve any federal budget unless the right to secession is included, then using that leverage to lock in reform of minority rule in the Senate.”

    Newman then seeks to convey the gravity of the matter.

    “We face a mounting constitutional crisis—one that, in turn, amplifies the crises of voter suppression, racial and economic inequality, and climate change—with a majority will that is repeatedly thwarted by minority rule in every aspect of policy.

    “Ultimately, building a serious blue-state threat to secede is the only way to end this crisis and create a nation based on equal representation for all,” he concludes.

    The essay comes as some Democrats continue to promote moves against unifying the nation, though the notion of a blue-state secession is not a new one.

    In August, Democrats contemplated secession and potential civil war as they gamed out possible scenarios for a closely contested election.

    After the 2016 election, there was a surge in interest in secession in deep-blue California — so much so that the president pro tem of the state senate used his speech at the opening of the new legislature to discourage the idea.
    Amazing , I agree with Prof Newman




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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    THIS
    FLIP THOSE FLAGS, THE NATION IS IN DISTRESS!


    why I should worship the state (who apparently is the only party that can possess guns without question).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAAAAAAAA!! HA-HA-HA-HAAAAAAA!! AHH-AHH-AHH-HAAHAAAHAHAAAAAAA!!!

    *hurk* *hurk* *hurk*

    HAAAAAAAAA-HAAAA-HAA-AAAAAAH-HAAAAA-HA-HAAA-HAAAAAAAA!!! AHHHH-HA-HAAAAAA!!!

    *hurk* *hurk* *urrrrk* <passes out from oxygen deprivation>
    I know, I spotted that myself.

    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

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    We should support this. Although I don't really see it having any success. This is why they will attack the electoral college instead.
    Last edited by Pauls' Revere; 02-17-2021 at 08:06 PM.

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    We should support this. Although I don't really see it having any success. This is why they will attack the electoral college instead.
    My impression is that the author of the article doesn't want secession so much as he wants to use the threat of secession as a club to force all the other things he endorsed in the article (such as abolishing the electoral college). He seems to think that no one would dare to seriously call his bluff if his proposal were to actually be adopted and pushed forward. If so, he might end up being surprised at how many people fail to quake in terror and fall to their knees begging him and the blue states to please, please don't go ...

    Or maybe he really does want blue-state secession. I'm fine with that, too. And even if it doesn't have any success, at least it will increase the social currency of the idea of secession, and it will become that much more "normalized" (until one day ...).

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    threat of secession
    Threat?

    I'm baffled by the ambivalence toward this.

    Don't you guys want these people out of your life?
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  25. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Threat?

    I'm baffled by the ambivalence toward this.

    Don't you guys want these people out of your life?
    Read it again. Think of this guy as a spoiled brat. That shouldn't be difficult, that's what he is. He really thinks he's threatening us. A response of, see ya don't let the door hit you in the ass, is something he actually doesn't expect.
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  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Read it again. Think of this guy as a spoiled brat. That shouldn't be difficult, that's what he is. He really thinks he's threatening us. A response of, see ya don't let the door hit you in the ass, is something he actually doesn't expect.
    Oh, yeah, I agree, he doesn't expect it at all.

    Which is why I'm happy to give it to him.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    My impression is that the author of the article doesn't want secession so much as he wants to use the threat of secession as a club to force all the other things he endorsed in the article (such as abolishing the electoral college). He seems to think that no one would dare to seriously call his bluff if his proposal were to actually be adopted and pushed forward. If so, he might end up being surprised at how many people fail to quake in terror and fall to their knees begging him and the blue states to please, please don't go ...

    Or maybe he really does want blue-state secession. I'm fine with that, too. And even if it doesn't have any success, at least it will increase the social currency of the idea of secession, and it will become that much more "normalized" (until one day ...).
    You are correct, red states will help them pack their bags and should hand them the congressional and senate votes to make this dream come true.



    Newman then seeks to convey the gravity of the matter.

    “We face a mounting constitutional crisis—one that, in turn, amplifies the crises of voter suppression, racial and economic inequality, and climate change—with a majority will that is repeatedly thwarted by minority rule in every aspect of policy.

    “Ultimately, building a serious blue-state threat to secede is the only way to end this crisis and create a nation based on equal representation for all,” he concludes.

    The essay comes as some Democrats continue to promote moves against unifying the nation, though the notion of a blue-state secession is not a new one.

    In August, Democrats contemplated secession and potential civil war as they gamed out possible scenarios for a closely contested election.

    After the 2016 election, there was a surge in interest in secession in deep-blue California — so much so that the president pro tem of the state senate used his speech at the opening of the new legislature to discourage the idea.



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  29. #25
    I really want to say "great. Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out", but long term, when California takes control of all military bases and weapons stationed in the new Nation State, it wont be long before you literally start seeing wars break out between former states.
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  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    I really want to say "great. Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out", but long term, when California takes control of all military bases and weapons stationed in the new Nation State, it wont be long before you literally start seeing wars break out between former states.
    What's wrong with that? Not the ideal outcome but not the worst. This country, getting worse, seems to be the worst outcome.

    If, say, California was going to leave, and other states left, would they all be one country, or many separate countries, or what?

    What seems best to me would be if 1 state broke up into 2 states. It might not be so easy, but it's happened before. Maine used to be part of Massachusetts.

    New York City, Long Island and Westchester County would be one state, the rest of New York would be another.

    Philadelphia plus a handful of other Philly suburbs would be one state, the rest of Pennsylvania would be another.

    Chicago, or maybe Cook County would be one state, the rest of Illinois would be another.

    Those are really easy ones, the major population center is the corner.

    Miami area and south, and the rest of Florida.

    If Georgia can have Atlanta taken out, if Minnesota can have Minneapolis out. Detroit can be taken out of Michigan. Seattle out of Washington, Portland out of Oregon. Milwaukee out of Wisconsin. St Louis out of Missouri. Create 10-20 new states or so. And the names are easy, the name of the state is the name of the city that's carved out, and you can add the word city to the city. Philadelphia City, Philadelphia.

    I also like the proposals where counties join existing states, and I like thinking about how that might work.

    I also like the creative proposals for new states. It seems like one big state from Boston to Northern Virginia could work, and Upstate New York and the rest of Pennsylvania get left out of that. It seems like the new state of Boswash could be its own country.

    I don't see why, if the east coast has an Eastern Seaboard of 15 states, why is it that there are only 3 states on the west coast? Seems like there should be more than just 3 west coast states if there are 15 east coast states. Keep Washington, Oregon, California, carve out 4 new states, Seattle City, Seattle, Portland City, Portland, San Francisco City, San Francisco, Los Angeles City, Los Angeles. GOP will have a good chance of winning Washington , Oregon, California, and there's no way the GOP wins Seattle, Portland, San Francisco or Los Angeles.

    Assuming fair elections, which we know is a lie, but assuming that, the Dems might be happy with 8 new Democrat senators, on top of the senators they have in CA OR WA. In time, GOP wins senate in CA OR WA. GOP has 6 to Dem 8 - GOP -2, compared to now, which is GOP -6.

    But you can sell it to the Democrats by not mentioning that the Dems will lose their Senators in CA OR WA. Just, look, 8 more senators. They're not going to think - it's actually 8 - 6 or 2 instead of just +6.

    Either way, it all seems good to me.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    I really want to say "great. Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out", but long term, when California takes control of all military bases and weapons stationed in the new Nation State, it wont be long before you literally start seeing wars break out between former states.
    To what end?

    Farms don't run themselves and somehow I can't see city-folk farming in a hostile environment.

    Cattle and hogs require husbandry that's learned over generations on the land...

    Country folk aren't cogs in their machine.

    Logging and forest management.........Let's see what happens after the greenies try and run things..

    Logistics between metro-centers are handled by people who seldom live in the metro's......Moving goods would be another hurdle.

    Looking at the issue from a purely practical perspective waging wars would be the most insane thing the blue states/cities could do.

    Then again it's their only option........Smirk

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Yeah, me too.

    It also works for China. None of the factions will be as powerful.
    China ends up being the real [foreign] winner in all secession scenarios, it's really inevitable.
    I've pondered about it all a bit and China would likely no doubt want a split up U.S. where they can come in a carve whatever they wanted with their "monetary might."


    Regardless, barring some great unifying entity, this country is so miserable towards one another that we're not even trying to hide it anymore. It really has become two realities in a post-persuasion America, as Jeff Deist puts it. And the best thing to do is secede from one another.

    And did anyone notice how this prick in the article still had to make it about us vs. them and insinuate that blue states have more of a right to secede? It's so hard to just say "the case is equal and valid for all states, we should exercise it as able."

    Last edit: I'd still like to see something where the cities become their own city-states while ceding the rest of the state(s) to the respective rural/agrarian/suburban folks. In short, we could have 100 states, with each of the top 50 cities being their city-states.
    Last edited by Okie RP fan; 02-18-2021 at 07:36 AM.
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