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    The 8 White Identities - from White Supremacist to White Abolitionist

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    UPDATE (added for additional information/context):

    https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/st...22141654605824


    NYC public school asks parents to ‘reflect’ on their ‘whiteness’
    https://nypost.com/2021/02/16/nyc-pu...eir-whiteness/
    Selim Algar & Kate Sheehy (16 February 2021)

    A city public school principal is asking parents to “reflect” on their “whiteness” — passing out literature that extols “white traitors’’ who “dismantle institutions,” education officials confirmed to The Post on Tuesday.

    The “woke’’ offensive at the East Side Community School in Manhattan features a ranking list titled "The 8 White Identities,” which ranges from “White Supremacist’’ to “White Abolitionist.”

    The curriculum, written by Barnor Hesse, an associate professor of African American studies at Northwestern University in Illinois, claims, “There is a regime of whiteness, and there are action-oriented white identities.

    [...]

    The handout was accompanied by a color-coordinated meter with the red zone on the left titled “White Supremacist’’ and the green zone on the far right labeled “White Abolitionist.”

    A New York City Department of Education official told The Post that some parents at the school, which caters to sixth- through 12-graders on the Lower East Side, first shared the material with staff.

    The principal then disseminated it to every parent “as part of a series of materials meant for reflection” and as “food for thought,” the official said.

    A DOE rep said in a statement, “Anti-racism and the celebration of diversity is at the core of our work on behalf of the young people of New York City, and the East Side Community School’s students, parents and staff partner together to advance equity in their community.

    “The document in question was shared with the school by parents as a part of ongoing anti-racist work in the school community and is one of many resources the schools utilizes.”

    [...]

    The dissemination of Hesse’s literature to parents comes as the DOE and schools chancellor Richard Carranza have pushed to eliminate what they call current administrators’ “white-supremacy culture.’’

    The administration has embraced “anti-bias training” across the board, with staffers forced to attend slide-show presentations denouncing the current culture’s “paternalism” and “power hoarding” — while getting sued over Carranza’s alleged creation of “an environment which is hostile toward whites.”

    [... full article at link: https://nypost.com/2021/02/16/nyc-public-school-asks-parents-to-reflect-on-their-whiteness/ ...]
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 02-16-2021 at 07:17 PM. Reason: UPDATE


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    Ctl+H (find-and-replace): Replace="White", With="State" <enter>

    There, much better...

    There is and never has been anything race-specific about tyranny.

    Jesus Is Lord

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    Once a white person gets to stage 8, they must confess to being "color blind" with respect to races. Logically, they cannot fit the definition given without doing so.

    But then, when they do that, they will immediately be reminded that such color blindness is actually impossible and is a hallmark of their white privilege, at which point they will be shuffled back down to one of the lower stages, ad infinitum, like a social identity Sisyphus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Once a white person gets to stage 8, they must confess to being "color blind" with respect to races. Logically, they cannot fit the definition given without doing so.
    There's nothing in the definition of "White Abolitionist" that requires "color-blindness" [1] - just the opposite, in fact.

    White Abolitionism, as defined, requires conscious awareness of "whiteness" so that it can be "dismantled" (i.e., destroyed).

    The Woke explicitly reject color-blindness and would categorize it as symptomatic of level(s) 1, 2, 3 and/or 4.

    Color-blindness is characteristic of "equality" (as in, for example, "equality under the law"), for which the Woke also have no use.

    Instead, they fetishize "equity" which requires awareness of color so that racialized inequities (which they say are systemic and always favor "whiteness") can be eliminated.

    IOW: The Woke are driven by race-obsessed bigotry. They have no truck with color-blindness (or any other form of racial neutrality).



    [1] And even if there was, the proponents of this vicious nonsense wouldn't care. They regard insistence on respect for logic as an expression of oppressive "whiteness."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    White Abolitionism, as defined, requires conscious awareness of "whiteness" so that it can be "dismantled" (i.e., destroyed).
    OK, but the result after having dismantled whiteness would be color-blindness, that is the cessation of categorizing people in racial categories of which "white" is one. Granted, I see that this would only be the result that a "white abolitionist" is aiming toward, and not necessarily something they claim to have achieved.

    Nevertheless, even if this state is only a desired end that defines the trajectory and not a result that can be achieved within the scheme itself, I have a hunch that the makers of that graphic may not have seen how they may be shooting themselves in the foot. I don't believe that abolition of whiteness is really want they want if they're honest with themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    The Woke explicitly reject color-blindness and would categorize it as symptomatic of level(s) 1, 2, 3 and/or 4.
    I agree. Hence the conundrum I observed.

    Last edited by Invisible Man; 02-15-2021 at 03:29 PM.

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    Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings. - Heinrich Heine 1823

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    Call me a White Supremacist then and be done with it.

    This stuff is the language of genocide, working up momentum.
    Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings. - Heinrich Heine 1823

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    OK, but the result after having dismantled whiteness would be color-blindness, that is the cessation of categorizing people in racial categories of which "white" is one.
    But that would not be the result. The Woke categorically and explicitly reject color-blindness, period (and not just color-blindness as practiced by white people).

    The Woke do not seek the "cessation of categorizing people in racial categories" - because (among other things) such color-blindness would "erase" their "lived experience."

    The Woke are thoroughgoingly racialist bigots, and their entire way of thinking depends critically upon their sense of having been victimized by others. Presently, they are generally united in opposition to the bête noire of "whiteness" - but if they ever do "dismantle whiteness", they will begin to turn on and devour each other.

    In fact, it's already starting to happen. I can't find the reference, but several months ago, I came across a story about Woke activists in the southwest falling out with one another. The rift occurred over the issue of which subset from among them was the more pitiable group of victims. It seems that the Native American activists felt that their black comrades bore some degree of taint for being "colonial" oppressors (albeit unwilling ones) because their heritage is not "native." Meanwhile, the black activists were convinced of their superior victimization status because of slavery and the premise that black "bodies" rank higher than "red" lands in the hierarchy of dispossessions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    The Woke explicitly reject color-blindness and would categorize it as symptomatic of level(s) 1, 2, 3 and/or 4.
    I agree. Hence the conundrum I observed.
    But it's not a conundrum with respect to "White Abolitionism" because color-blindness is denied and rejected at that level.

    Think of "White Supremacy" (level 1) as Hell, and "White Abolitionism" (level 8) as Heaven, with gradations of Purgatory (the other levels) between.

    There is no "shuffl[ing] back down to one of the lower stages" nor any endless cycle, because color-blindness is a sin to be purged altogether, not a virtue from which the impurity of "whiteness" is to be cleansed.
    Last edited by Occam's Banana; 02-15-2021 at 06:22 PM.



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    I don't see "White Don'tgiveashitsanist" on the list.

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    I tried telling a group of black Americans just before wokeism (prior to Trump being elected) took hold that I saw them as humans, or individuals, before their skin color.
    Their reaction, I joke you not, was that I was racist for doing so. They proceeded to lecture me that I needed to see them and ID them as black before anything else.


    It was at that point that I realized there are at least two realities in the U.S., if not the world. It was also then that I realized there was something deep seated going on. 2020 brought a lot of it out to the forefront and it's been made clear that this is all a marxist ploy to take down individuals and white Americans ala Agenda 21, etc.

    Whites, historically, have a natural propensity to be rebellious and whites are the face of "American rugged individualism." That is what is being rooted out as the last hold of freedom in this world, I think.


    Call me racist for typing this out, it makes no difference anymore. We're racist for saying things we never said or believed in, we're racist for saying things that have no racial connotation, etc. The bastardization of language is nearly complete.
    Welcome to the R3VOLUTION!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okie RP fan View Post
    I tried telling a group of black Americans just before wokeism (prior to Trump being elected) took hold that I saw them as humans, or individuals, before their skin color.
    Their reaction, I joke you not, was that I was racist for doing so. They proceeded to lecture me that I needed to see them and ID them as black before anything else.
    Yup. No longer do we judge a man by his character we must factor in race, perceived gender and life experience when making a determination on his character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I don't see "White Don'tgiveashitsanist" on the list.
    That is a variant spelling of "White Supremacist".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    That is a variant spelling of "White Supremacist".
    Ahh, I see.


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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Yup. No longer do we judge a man by his character we must factor in race, perceived gender and life experience when making a determination on his character.
    I don't see where you have any right to judge any man, wyman or queeer perrrson you cisgender $#@!lord.

    You will accept them all as your equal betters, and if the local NAMBLA chapter needs some volunteers to "take one for the team", well, bigot, send your 8 year old son their way, because love is love.
    Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings. - Heinrich Heine 1823

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okie RP fan View Post
    I tried telling a group of black Americans just before wokeism (prior to Trump being elected) took hold that I saw them as humans, or individuals, before their skin color.
    Their reaction, I joke you not, was that I was racist for doing so. They proceeded to lecture me that I needed to see them and ID them as black before anything else.


    It was at that point that I realized there are at least two realities in the U.S., if not the world. It was also then that I realized there was something deep seated going on. 2020 brought a lot of it out to the forefront and it's been made clear that this is all a marxist ploy to take down individuals and white Americans ala Agenda 21, etc.

    Whites, historically, have a natural propensity to be rebellious and whites are the face of "American rugged individualism." That is what is being rooted out as the last hold of freedom in this world, I think.


    Call me racist for typing this out, it makes no difference anymore. We're racist for saying things we never said or believed in, we're racist for saying things that have no racial connotation, etc. The bastardization of language is nearly complete.
    The best comeback for this is: “So you think MLK was wrong then?”

    I’ve done it before. The confusion is glorious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I don't see where you have any right to judge any man, wyman or queeer perrrson you cisgender $#@!lord.

    You will accept them all as your equal betters, and if the local NAMBLA chapter needs some volunteers to "take one for the team", well, bigot, send your 8 year old son their way, because love is love.
    I am a cisgender $#@!lord. After much self-therapy I have become alright with that.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Call me a White Supremacist then and be done with it.

    This stuff is the language of genocide, working up momentum.
    Dehumanization is Stage 3 of 8

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    The left will always see us as White supremacists.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Technically an actual ethical Civil War era Abolitionist is White Confessional on this scale in that they assume injustice can be corrected?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    Technically an actual ethical Civil War era Abolitionist is White Confessional on this scale in that they assume injustice can be corrected?
    Hush. They're trying to erase that piece of history by using the word abolitionist to describe something besides abolitionists.

    How can they foment division and rancor between those races if people like you educate the children with the fact that slavery was abolished by white people?

    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    I have a hunch that the makers of that graphic may not have seen how they may be shooting themselves in the foot.
    Do you honestly think racial harmony is their true objective? Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    I believe the high point of relations between blacks and whites in the U.S. was the months after 9/11/01. Americans had a common enemy, which wasn't necessarily positive from a race standpoint overall, but it did unite non-arabic factions.

    The powers that be decided that just wouldn't do, and set out to fix it. Which, to an intelligent and rational person, means screw it up.



    Is there something to be done about it? Discredit the MSM and Dept. of Ed. Wish us luck.

    The good news they're insulting everyone's intelligence in a major way. The bad news is a great many people really, really want to think of the ability to regurgitate propaganda as intelligence.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 02-15-2021 at 09:34 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Define Terrorist please.

    According to, well, pretty much both political parties, the other party is now guilty of Terrorism.
    Listening to the mainstream media is like standing under a power line when the birds are migrating.

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    WTF is this $#@!?

    I like being a white person. I like to do white person things with other white people. There is nothing wrong with that. I don't hate anyone and don't bring harm to anyone else.

    I dislike the racists and supremacists, like KKK/Arayan nations/ stormfront crown. What they do is wrong. But if we are being honest here I don't really have any quarrel with the white nationalists. You know the ones who just want to live in bum $#@! Idaho with only other white people. That doesn't harm anyone.

    The ones who want to force this multiculturalism on everyone are just as bad as the racists.

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    As a further thought, the 1800s leaders of the Abolitionist movement on this scale, are White Critical.
    Most voters in 1860 were White Benefit, even voters in the North who went to Honest Abe, nearly
    every Segregationist from 1870 onward is White Privilege, they have an innate racism but may not
    be harsh or cruel in their private lives, sometimes they may act like White Voyeurism or Supremacy.
    Flip side of the coin, White Traitor and White Abolitionist are rare in the history books, only a handful
    of the leaders of the Abolitionists were this thorough or severe. Civil Rights in the 20rh Century sought
    a redress, a correcting of an injustice. Today's radicalism can be shrill. The historic conflict has been
    where White Critical takes on White Privilege. Radicalism implies a utopian/dystopian "theology" often.
    Last edited by Aratus; 02-15-2021 at 06:47 PM. Reason: Honest Abe & Barack Obama are White Critical? FDR assumes White Benefit? Washington + Wilson are White Privilege?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    WTF is this $#@!?

    I like being a white person. I like to do white person things with other white people. There is nothing wrong with that. I don't hate anyone and don't bring harm to anyone else.

    I dislike the racists and supremacists, like KKK/Arayan nations/ stormfront crown. What they do is wrong. But if we are being honest here I don't really have any quarrel with the white nationalists. You know the ones who just want to live in bum $#@! Idaho with only other white people. That doesn't harm anyone.

    The ones who want to force this multiculturalism on everyone are just as bad as the racists.
    i know.... i become a White Voyeur if i play any vintage jazz records that have
    artists who might be African-American, even if the band is racially mixed?
    If this scale is part of a school curriculum, where were the textbooks published
    at that they were going by? I assume there is a school committee behind it.
    Last edited by Aratus; 02-15-2021 at 06:55 PM. Reason: i'm trying to make sense of this scale....



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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    WTF is this $#@!?

    I like being a white person. I like to do white person things with other white people. There is nothing wrong with that. I don't hate anyone and don't bring harm to anyone else.

    I dislike the racists and supremacists, like KKK/Arayan nations/ stormfront crown. What they do is wrong. But if we are being honest here I don't really have any quarrel with the white nationalists. You know the ones who just want to live in bum $#@! Idaho with only other white people. That doesn't harm anyone.

    The ones who want to force this multiculturalism on everyone are just as bad as the racists.
    Bigot.

    Terrorist.

    You are reported.
    Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings. - Heinrich Heine 1823

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aratus View Post
    i know.... i become a White Voyeur if i play any vintage jazz records what have
    artists who might be African-American, even if the band is racially mixed?
    If this scale is part of a school curriculum, where were the textbooks published
    at that they were going by? I assume there is a school committee behind it.
    Funny you should mention that...here's what I am listening to right now.

    https://onlineradiobox.com/us/wgbhja...cades&played=1

    Ray Smith's show was excellent but Arnold Olean's show on the old WBQQ in Maine was even better.

    Alas, I've lost touch with him, the station is defunct and there appear to be no archives anywhere online.
    Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings. - Heinrich Heine 1823

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    OK, but the result after having dismantled whiteness would be color-blindness, that is the cessation of categorizing people in racial categories of which "white" is one. Granted, I see that this would only be the result that a "white abolitionist" is aiming toward, and not necessarily something they claim to have achieved.

    Nevertheless, even if this state is only a desired end that defines the trajectory and not a result that can be achieved within the scheme itself, I have a hunch that the makers of that graphic may not have seen how they may be shooting themselves in the foot. I don't believe that abolition of whiteness is really want they want if they're honest with themselves.



    I agree. Hence the conundrum I observed.

    Ha ha ha ha ha, that's some funny $#@!. Quite the imagination you have.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    I am a cisgender $#@!lord. After much self-therapy I have become alright with that.
    You know, back in the day, that was considered "normal".
    "The Patriarch"

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