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What was Mike Lee’s reason?Lawmakers voted 93-2 in a final floor vote. Two Republicans, Sens. Josh Hawley of Missouri and Mike Lee of Utah, were the only members to vote no.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...etary-n1255322
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9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
TheSenatePresident has the power toadvise and CONSENTveto, badnomineesbills should bedenied consentvetoed.
Yet Trump failed to veto a number of bad bills.
Is that not "dereliction of duty?" Is that not "collaboration with the enemy?"
Perhaps you will say, "He had no choice, His vetoes would have been overridden."
Well, then, by exactly the same logic, Rand also had no choice.
A "nay" vote by Rand on Austin's confirmation would have been overridden.
So why is Rand to be considered a "collaborator" while Trump gets a pass?
The Bastiat Collection · FREE PDF · FREE EPUB · PAPER Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850)
- "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law."
-- The Law (p. 54)- "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
-- Government (p. 99)- "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
-- Economic Sophisms - Second Series (p. 312)- "There are two principles that can never be reconciled - Liberty and Constraint."
-- Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)· tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito ·
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Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Because I don't approve of Trump growing government somehow means I approve of the bipartisan swamp? The lessor of 2 evils is still evil.
Lower Federal government spending
Bring the troops home
Audit the Federal Reserve for transparency.
those 3 things still mean something on this forum
You wouldn't stoop to applying a double standard like a Demoncrat, would you? There is a difference between you, a partisan Republican, and partisan Democrats, right?
Because by this standard, Trump's entire administration was treason and dereliction of duty.
It's not invalid. It's proof he holds Rand Paul to a completely different standard than DJTvtd (very treasonous derelict).
If a four star general and CENTCOM commander is not qualified ( not saying he is ) we are not doing something right somewhere in a much deeper way .Like to know what Lees reasoning was . That said biden is going to make a lot of picks I wouldnt vote for . May as well save the nays for the unqualified .
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Granted he appointed Pompeo, Bolton, Iraq war architect Abrams to cabinet positions, Trump should be given a pass because he also established himself as the "most pro Israel President in history" , put sanctions on Iran, billions in US foreign aid , setup US military base in Israel to defend our closest ally and the only well funded democracy in mideast. Rand OTOH was opposed to such policies and should be held to a different standard.
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Delta variant, death of 9 Chinese engineers in terror attack led to airport chaos & quick Kabul fall?
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
9/11 Thermate experiments
Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I
"I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"
"We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul
"It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
So ... Trump actively puts forward nominees like John Bolton (who are not just "bad" but hideously awful) and he gets a pass, but Rand merely votes to confirm a nominee who was going to be confirmed regardless (and who was going to be "bad" no matter what) and this makes him some kind of seditious traitor. This is plainly contradictory.
Given the massively lopsided vote in favor of confirming Austin, what "horse trade" could Rand have possibly made (with Republicans or anyone else) by withholding his "yea" vote?[1] You don't get to excuse Trump's refusal to veto bad bills on the basis that his vetoes would have been uselessly overridden, and then blame Rand when, mutatis mutandis, he does exactly the same thing.
If Trump gets a pass, then so does Rand.
If Rand doesn't get a pass, then neither does Trump.
Pick one. You don't get to have it both ways.
[1] And if you say that Rand should have voted "nay" on principle because Austin's confirmation was assured and therefore there were no "horse trades" to be made, then exactly the same thing goes for Trump with respect to vetoes: he should have vetoed bad bills on principle because veto overrides were assured and therefore there were no "horse trades" to be made. (And you can't say that Trump's lack of vetoes was some kind of attempt at "horse trading" in the face of assured veto overrides, because a veto threat is worthless as a bargaining chip when it is assured that the veto will be overridden.)
Since the Senate is rubber stamping SecDefs and overriding 10 USC 113 (a)
Why not just amend it to strike the language? Oh, that right! This really isn't about what is written into the law, but rather the arbitrary and capricious manner of passing a workaround to this and any other law whenever they feel like it. Both parties prefer this approach.A person may not be appointed as Secretary of Defense within seven years after relief from active duty as a commissioned officer of a regular component of an armed force.
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"They sell us the president the same way they sell us our clothes and our cars. They sell us every thing from youth to religion the same time they sell us our wars. I want to know who the men in the shadows are. I want to hear somebody asking them why. They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are but theyre never the ones to fight or to die." - Jackson Browne Lives In The Balance
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
Bolton got a worthless position and humiliation but Trump got to please Republicans who wanted him and get their support for other good things.
Rand gets nothing out of this vote and continues his stated betrayal of the Senate's role of consenting or not to cabinet nominees, Trump never said Congress has a right to pass bills so he would never veto one.
Rand is also a Senator, the only power he has is to vote, Trump as POTUS had power to do far more than sign or veto bills and needed support from Republicans for what he did.
Rand has no leverage with his single vote and would lose nothing by voting no, Trump had lots of leverage as the single person with veto power and he was able to use it to influence bills (if not dictate their entire contents) or to horse trade for Republican support on other things, he would have lost all of that if he went around vetoing bills and getting overridden all the time.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Robert Heinlein
Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler
Groucho Marx
I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.
Linus, from the Peanuts comic
You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith
Alexis de Torqueville
Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it
A Zero Hedge comment
RAYTHEON....
He went from the U.S Military to RAYTHEON.
RAYTHEON....
Joe Biden could have done much worse. Senator Rand Paul's vote most quietly makes sense on several levels.
Austin seems like a competent man for Defense Sec
Picking Bolton is indefensible.
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