‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump

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Source is NYT, excercise caution. Though not overtly part of deep state neocons supported "coup' against Trump, NYT was part of 'fake Iraq WMD yellow cake' conspiracy theory that was used to play lots of people like a fiddle.


‘A Total Failure’: The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump

Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans, are calling him “weak” as more of them were charged for storming the U.S. Capitol.

Members of the Proud Boys, who have engaged in political violence, at a rally in Portland, Ore., in September.Credit...Diana Zeyneb Alhindawi for The New York Times

By Sheera Frenkel and Alan Feuer

• Jan. 20, 2021

After the presidential election last year, the Proud Boys, a far-right group, declared its undying loyalty to President Trump.
In a Nov. 8 post in a private channel of the messaging app Telegram, the group urged its followers to attend protests against an election that it said had been fraudulently stolen from Mr. Trump. “Hail Emperor Trump,” the Proud Boys wrote.

But by this week, the group’s attitude toward Mr. Trump had changed. “Trump will go down as a total failure,” the Proud Boys said in the same Telegram channel on Monday.
As Mr. Trump departed the White House on Wednesday, the Proud Boys, once among his staunchest supporters, have also started leaving his side. In dozens of conversations on social media sites like Gab and Telegram, members of the group have begun calling Mr. Trump a “shill” and “extraordinarily weak,” according to messages reviewed by The New York Times. They have also urged supporters to stop attending rallies and protests held for Mr. Trump or the Republican Party.

The comments are a startling turn for the Proud Boys, which for years had backed Mr. Trump and promoted political violence. Led by Enrique Tarrio, many of its thousands of members were such die-hard fans of Mr. Trump that they offered to serve as his private militia and celebrated after he told them in a presidential debate last year to “stand back and stand by.” On Jan. 6, some Proud Boys members stormed the U.S. Capitol.

But since then, discontent with Mr. Trump, who later condemned the violence, has boiled over. On social media, Proud Boys participants have complained about his willingness to leave office and said his disavowal of the Capitol rampage was an act of betrayal. And Mr. Trump, cut off on Facebook and Twitter, has been unable to talk directly to them to soothe their concerns or issue new rallying cries.

The Proud Boys’ anger toward Mr. Trump has heightened after he did nothing to help those in the group who face legal action for the Capitol violence. On Wednesday, a Proud Boy leader, Joseph Biggs, 37, was arrested in Florida and charged with unlawful entry and corruptly obstructing an official proceeding in the riot. At least four other members of the group also face charges stemming from the attack.

“When Trump told them that if he left office, America would fall into an abyss, they believed him,” Arieh Kovler, a political consultant and independent researcher in Israel who studies the far right, said of the Proud Boys. “Now that he has left office, they believe he has both surrendered and failed to do his patriotic duty.”
The shift raises questions about the strength of the support for Mr. Trump and suggests that pockets of his fan base are fracturing. Many of Mr. Trump’s fans still falsely believe he was deprived of office, but other far-right groups such as the Oath Keepers, America First and the Three Percenters have also started criticizing him in private Telegram channels, according to a review of messages.


Last week, Nicholas Fuentes, the leader of America First, wrote in his Telegram channel that Mr. Trump’s response to the Capitol rampage was “very weak and flaccid” and added, “Not the same guy that ran in 2015.”

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On Wednesday, the Proud Boys Telegram group welcomed President Biden to office. “At least the incoming administration is honest about their intentions,” the group wrote.

Mr. Kovler said the activity showed that groups that had coalesced around Mr. Trump were now trying to figure out their future direction. By losing his ability to post on Twitter and Facebook, Mr. Trump had also become less useful to the far-right groups, who counted on him to raise their profile on a national stage, Mr. Kovler said.

Mr. Tarrio, the leader of the Proud Boys, could not be reached for comment. A spokesman for Mr. Trump did not respond to a request for comment.

nytimes.com/2021/01/20/technology/proud-boys-trump.html



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[CaptUSA]

Good. It looks like the farce of an election is already paying dividends.

The first step in getting out of any hole is to stop digging. And falling for a conman who advocates more digging was a bad sign.

and added, “Not the same guy that ran in 2015.”

Yeah, gonna have to go ahead and disagree with that one. We tried to tell you, but you were wedded to the con.

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Good. It looks like the farce of an election is already paying dividends.

You might be onto something.

"Joe Biden-Kamala H era will probably serve as introspection break for globalist neocon funded Netanyahu Republicans aka MAGA movement. Sort of like Obama-Biden era did for Bush-Cheney supporters. Hopefully lessons will be learnt."

[belian78]

Some of the Q followers on Bitchute and the like are already switching gears as well. "Oh I followed along for the info but I never fully bought in". Grifters, all of em.

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Well it sort of makes sense that followers of an opportnist will also embrace politics of opportunism.

I was afraid that media polls would read MAGA popularity in single digits a year from now (from current media reported reading of 29% approval) but looks like could happen well before that.

[Ender]

Good. It looks like the farce of an election is already paying dividends.

The first step in getting out of any hole is to stop digging. And falling for a conman who advocates more digging was a bad sign.




Yeah, gonna have to go ahead and disagree with that one. We tried to tell you, but you were wedded to the con.

Yep!

[vita3]

Love to see another American First Political leader arise, that has real integrity

[jmdrake]

Love to see another American First Political leader arise, that has real integrity

You mean the political reincarnation of Ron Paul? If Massie takes McConnell seat that could happen.

[Anti Globalist]

Some of the Q followers on Bitchute and the like are already switching gears as well. "Oh I followed along for the info but I never fully bought in". Grifters, all of em.

Anybody who keeps following that CIA psyop at this point is severely delusional.

[69360]

All the trumpkins will move on to the next fearless leader in 4 years. Trump will be a bad memory.

[vita3]

Where’s Ross Perot when ya need him?

[ligant]

I wonder why @Swordsmyth stopped posting?

[Peace Piper]

Where’s Ross Perot when ya need him?

Sadly, The Hand Grenade with a Haircut is no longer with us

June 27, 1930 – July 9, 2019

WHY DIDN'T ROSS PEROT TAKE A VICTORY LAP WHEN NAFTA DISAPPEARED OUR JOBS?

WHAT HAPPENED?

Whatever they did to Ross it worked. No one ever saw his charts again.

Ross was a Prophet - when it came to "Buy-Partisan Trade Deals"

But now the enemy is in charge. And Ross can't talk.

[RJ Liberty]

Where’s Ross Perot when ya need him?

Perot was a visionary. Right about NAFTA, right about globalism.

[Swordsmyth]

I wonder why @Swordsmyth stopped posting?

That's news to me.

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While Alpha MAGA PIE leader is engaged in legal battle with GOP over fund raising, DC riot fallout continues:


Federal prosecutors narrow in on organized extremists, including Oath Keepers and Proud Boys, in Capitol siege probe

Federal investigators say the extremist groups planned the assault on the U.S. Capitol for weeks and counted on "normies," like a Woodland Park man who was arrested, to help "burn that city to ash."

The Associated Press
Mar 10, 2021

Supporters of President Donald Trump climb the west wall of the the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington. (AP Photo/Jose Luis Magana)
By Alanna Durkin Richer and Michael Kunzelman, The Associated Press

As members of the Oath Keepers paramilitary group shouldered their way through the mob and up the steps to the U.S. Capitol, their plans for Jan. 6 were clear, authorities say.
“Arrest this assembly, we have probable cause for acts of treason, election fraud,” someone commanded over an encrypted messaging app some extremists used to communicate during the siege
A little while earlier, Proud Boys carrying two-way radios and wearing earpieces spread out and tried to blend in with the crowd as they invaded the Capitol led by a man assigned “war powers” to oversee the group’s attack, prosecutors say.
These two extremist groups that traveled to Washington along with thousands of other Trump supporters weren’t whipped into an impulsive frenzy by President Donald Trump that day, officials say. They’d been laying attack plans. And their internal communications and other evidence emerging in court papers and in hearings show how authorities are trying to build a case that small cells hidden within the masses mounted an organized, military-style assault on the heart of American democracy.

“This was not simply a march. This was an incredible attack on our institutions of government,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Jason McCullough said during a recent hearing.
The Proud Boys and Oath Keepers make up a fraction of the more than 300 Trump supporters charged so far in the siege that led to Trump’s second impeachment and resulted in the deaths of five people, including a police officer. But several of their leaders, members and associates have become the central targets of the Justice Department’s sprawling investigation.
It could mean more serious criminal charges for some rioters. On the other hand, mounting evidence of advance planning could also fuel Trump’s and his supporters’ claims that the Republican former president did not incite the riot and therefore should not be liable for it.