For those of us on "The Right" the time has come for clear thinking.

[phill4paul]

It wasn't the Democrats that screwed Ron out of the election- it was the Republicans who lied about his winnings, "forgot" his name in the caucuses, even when he won, and made him into the HE-WHO-MUST-NOT-BE-NAMED candidate.

This is why it was so obvious to me that Trump was being pushed to the top with all his free millions of $$$$ "negative" publicity.

The Repubs & Dems at the top are all in the same "party"- the purpose is make everyone hate each other so the real control goes on behind the curtain.

I didn't say the Republicans didn't screw him. The conversation was about reaching Democrat moderates with the idea of, well...moderation. Of which they weren't to be depended on then, and are a hell of a lot less now.

[pcosmar]

[Anti Federalist]

Apparently I am some kind of shepherd now. Cool.

[devil21]

I disagree. It is not a conspiracy that the elites are leftists and use their mediums to condition people into their beliefs. As an example they knew an outlet for the right would be profitable hence Fox News is used to play the fake opposition.

I know for a fact from dealing with these people on and off over the last 30 years that they are all on the same team. It is all one big sham.

The elites are not leftists, in the political sense that the little people use. Left v Right is nothing more than a vehicle, a tactic, a means to an end. Two heads of the same bird. You're correct that both MSNBC and Fox News are used as controlled oppositions to each other, but this is a much older, much deeper agenda than any "leftist" political goal.

[acptulsa]

The elites are not leftists, in the political sense that the little people use. Left v Right is nothing more than a vehicle, a tactic, a means to an end. Two heads of the same bird. You're correct that both MSNBC and Fox News are used as controlled oppositions to each other, but this is a much older, much deeper agenda than any "leftist" political goal.

They are neither liberals nor conservatives, they just play them on TV.

They're just the finest government money can buy, that's all.

[Philhelm]

Honestly...no...I don't think so.

There were shenanigans, but no more than usual, I think.

By focusing on fraud, the more important point is missed: that half the voting base is comfortable voting for Marxists.

My problem with entertaining that there was no fraud is that I would have to dismiss the obvious mail-in voting scheme, a coordinated stalling of ballot counting in critical swing states that Trump was leading, Trump having coattails but no coat, Trump outperforming 2016, Biden not campaigning, all of the anomalous voting data, etc. Even the appearance of impropriety should have been avoided, but the response was "$#@! you, there was no fraud and in order to prove it we are going to censor you." 9/11 truthers, who accused the government of murdering thousands of Americans, weren't treated with such censorship.

There was definitely fraud and I'll never be convinced otherwise. The problem is that Trump performed so high that they had to use 4:00 a.m. ballot dumps in order to supplement the massive, baked in fraud.

Otherwise, I agree that there are still tens of millions of voters who are a threat to liberty. The good news is that despite the juggernaut of media, big tech, Hollywood, academia, etc., a similar number of Americans (I'd argue more due to my stance on fraud) actually see through the bull$#@!. That's actually quite amazing, and shows that we aren't as stupid and isolated as we would have thought.

And for those who may have disdain for "Trumpkins," many of them like Ron Paul, and are much more libertarian than they were ten years ago.

[BSWPaulsen]

And for those who may have disdain for "Trumpkins," many of them like Ron Paul, and are much more libertarian than they were ten years ago.

This is true. For many, it goes beyond "liking" Ron Paul and into "revering" Ron Paul. Unfortunately, Rand Paul is not so popular among them.