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    Biden sucks, but does this really change anything? You couldn't get into government buildings without one anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Biden sucks, but does this really change anything? You couldn't get into government buildings without one anyway.
    Yes, it changes "policy" to "law" by executive fiat.

    Under "policy" the worst that could happen to you for failure to diaper is that cops would be called and throw you out of the building.

    Under "law" by executive fiat you are now liable to arrest and criminal prosecution for failure to diaper on federal property.

    And it's being made clear by the new regime that failure to mask is a political statement, and therefore an act of political terrorism to not comply and biological guerilla warfare.

    ETA - And I'm going to assume that applies to mandatory diapering while outside at federal parks and national forests.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 01-20-2021 at 08:28 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yes, it changes "policy" to "law" by executive fiat.

    Under "policy" the worst that could happen to you for failure to diaper is that cops would be called and throw you out of the building.

    Under "law" by executive fiat you are now liable to arrest and criminal prosecution.

    And it's being made clear by the new regime that failure to mask is a political statement, and therefore an act of political terrorism to not comply and biological guerilla warfare.
    If it's a political statement, then it's protected free speech under the First Amendment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius Marius View Post
    If it's a political statement, then it's protected free speech under the First Amendment.
    Yay. I cannot wait to have my life ruined while I go through the arduous process needed to get a case to the Supreme Court just to possibly have my rights upheld.

    The process is the punishment. The psychopath left knows exactly what they are doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius Marius View Post
    If it's a political statement, then it's protected free speech under the First Amendment.
    There is no first amendment anymore.

    It's a dead letter.

    Executive orders have already killed it.

    If a mental defective passing himself off as a "health officer" can mandate by fiat, that you longer have the right to freely assemble and no court has slapped it down with an injunction, indicates this.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 01-20-2021 at 08:32 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainAmerica View Post
    day 100? camps? whos ready? rand paul sucks dick....ban me again for saying rand is a traitor/. I was banned everyone for saying rand betrayed the constitution!
    Real talk here. What in the hell is the point of going after Rand? He may not have been effective opposition against the left, but he is not the enemy or a traitor.

    The enemy is in power and in front of you. Look forward, not backward!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius Marius View Post
    If it's a political statement, then it's protected free speech under the First Amendment.
    There is no first amendment anymore.

    It's a dead letter.

    Executive orders have already killed it.

    If a mental defective passing himself off as a "health officer" can mandate by fiat, that you longer have the right to freely assemble and no court has slapped it down with an injunction, indicates this.
    I've posted this a few times already, but it bears repeating:

    "I hope conservatives are starting to see that the 1st Amendment (which also includes the right to peaceful assembly, like at a holiday dinner) and the 2nd Amendment are red herrings of little use. Technology and gun proliferation are the answer, not the Constitution." -- Michael Malice


    Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850)

    • "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law." - The Law (p. 54)
    • "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." - Government (p. 99)
    • "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yes, it changes "policy" to "law" by executive fiat.

    Under "policy" the worst that could happen to you for failure to diaper is that cops would be called and throw you out of the building.

    Under "law" by executive fiat you are now liable to arrest and criminal prosecution for failure to diaper on federal property.

    And it's being made clear by the new regime that failure to mask is a political statement, and therefore an act of political terrorism to not comply and biological guerilla warfare.

    ETA - And I'm going to assume that applies to mandatory diapering while outside at federal parks and national forests.
    An EO isn't law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    An EO isn't law.
    An EO most certainly carries "force of law" enforcement, in the area of jurisdiction it covers, in this case federal lands and property.

    An EPA or OSHA regulation is not "law" either, but they carry penalties of law, including fines and prison
    Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings. - Heinrich Heine 1823

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    An EO most certainly carries "force of law" enforcement, in the area of jurisdiction it covers, in this case federal lands and property.

    An EPA or OSHA regulation is not "law" either, but they carry penalties of law, including fines and prison
    Show me where in the constitution executive orders are mentioned. They have been overturned and stayed by the courts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Show me where in the constitution executive orders are mentioned. They have been overturned and stayed by the courts.

    This is exactly the kind of denial, or maybe just niavete, that's landed us in the position we're currently in. Liberty advocates really need to learn better.
    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    This is exactly the kind of denial, or maybe just niavete, that's landed us in the position we're currently in. Liberty advocates really need to learn better.
    Trump just recently had an EO stayed. It isn't denial, it happens when presidents over reach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yes, it changes "policy" to "law" by executive fiat.

    Under "policy" the worst that could happen to you for failure to diaper is that cops would be called and throw you out of the building.

    Under "law" by executive fiat you are now liable to arrest and criminal prosecution for failure to diaper on federal property.

    And it's being made clear by the new regime that failure to mask is a political statement, and therefore an act of political terrorism to not comply and biological guerilla warfare.

    ETA - And I'm going to assume that applies to mandatory diapering while outside at federal parks and national forests.
    Under the old rules if you tried to go into a Federal building without being properly attired, the guard would tell you that you couldn't come in. If you tried to force your way in you would be arrested. I'll bet my Federal stimulus check that the same thing applies under these new rules. If you show up without your mask you will either be offered a mask or told to leave and go get one. I'm far more concerned about the Paris climate deal mentioned in the article you posted than this executive order that we all knew was coming and is by all accounts quite limited anyway. I wish the article actually linked to the EO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69360 View Post
    Biden sucks, but does this really change anything? You couldn't get into government buildings without one anyway.
    I just did the other day. No mask, nobody said anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yes, it changes "policy" to "law" by executive fiat.

    Under "policy" the worst that could happen to you for failure to diaper is that cops would be called and throw you out of the building.

    Under "law" by executive fiat you are now liable to arrest and criminal prosecution for failure to diaper on federal property.

    And it's being made clear by the new regime that failure to mask is a political statement, and therefore an act of political terrorism to not comply and biological guerilla warfare.

    ETA - And I'm going to assume that applies to mandatory diapering while outside at federal parks and national forests.
    I found the mandate. It does not change "policy" into "law." It requires agency heads to follow existing law and enforce CDC guidelines. Most agencies were already following the CDC guidelines anyway.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...-mask-wearing/

    And yes federal lands are covered so that would include federal parks and national forests. But the current CDC guidelines are vague at best on this.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-guidance.html

    Prioritize wearing masks indoors and when in close contact with other people, like during group travel or shift meetings. Some localities may require wearing masks in public while outdoors, and these requirements should be followed.

    Kind of circular logic here:

    Feds: You only have to wear a mask outside if the CDC guidelines say you do.
    CDC: You only have to wear a mask outside if the locality says you do.
    People: Ummmmm....what?

    I guess in some states you can be on outside on federal land without a mask and in some states you can't....but that was already the case...
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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    Joe Blow is gonna EO the $#@! out of us.

    Don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I found the mandate. It does not change "policy" into "law." It requires agency heads to follow existing law and enforce CDC guidelines. Most agencies were already following the CDC guidelines anyway.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...-mask-wearing/

    And yes federal lands are covered so that would include federal parks and national forests. But the current CDC guidelines are vague at best on this.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-guidance.html

    Prioritize wearing masks indoors and when in close contact with other people, like during group travel or shift meetings. Some localities may require wearing masks in public while outdoors, and these requirements should be followed.

    Kind of circular logic here:

    Feds: You only have to wear a mask outside if the CDC guidelines say you do.
    CDC: You only have to wear a mask outside if the locality says you do.
    People: Ummmmm....what?

    I guess in some states you can be on outside on federal land without a mask and in some states you can't....but that was already the case...
    Ok, I'll cede you the point that this does not change policy to law as described.

    I maintain that E/Os most certainly can be used to change policy to law.
    Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings. - Heinrich Heine 1823

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    Slippery slope, vaccines requirements could be next.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post

    Thought masks were already required at Fed buildings, at least Post Office and Trump White House was requiring staff to wear it.


    As expected, Biden will make Trump advocated 'patriotism' a 'national duty'. Masks, vaccinations, red flag laws and so on.





    ETA:
    Both last and new Prez are saying "we are united in our effort" but D-word thread title undermines such unity narratives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I found the mandate. It does not change "policy" into "law." It requires agency heads to follow existing law and enforce CDC guidelines. Most agencies were already following the CDC guidelines anyway.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...-mask-wearing/

    And yes federal lands are covered so that would include federal parks and national forests. But the current CDC guidelines are vague at best on this.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-guidance.html

    Prioritize wearing masks indoors and when in close contact with other people, like during group travel or shift meetings. Some localities may require wearing masks in public while outdoors, and these requirements should be followed.

    Kind of circular logic here:

    Feds: You only have to wear a mask outside if the CDC guidelines say you do.
    CDC: You only have to wear a mask outside if the locality says you do.
    People: Ummmmm....what?

    I guess in some states you can be on outside on federal land without a mask and in some states you can't....but that was already the case...
    The EO even uses the word "should", not legalese "shall" or "must". It's basically a suggestion and there are no criminal penalties attached. There can't be any since Pres doesn't have authority to declare criminal offenses by EO. Some existing offenses could be shoehorned into usage such as federal trespassing if refusing to leave or some kind of disrupting gov operations charge if it's really egregious stand-off but yeah the EO itself isn't law and doesn't change anything.
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    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    This is exists because of Ron Paul's fan, Mr Trump being a selfish failure, totally denying the virus threat. Just believing wacko conspiracies. Shame. He failed, he at least gave his wages away, like Ron Paul never took a pension because he didn't need it. Biden may turn out good or not, he's the oldest person in office. It is who ever succeeds him, whether he's one term or not will be the last legacy.

    Even more stupid, trump's supporters who invoked prayer, what would I expect from those selfish right wing extremists. No prayer should of been used, and in the inaugurations past. Always their rules, playing to the rapid capitalistic, making all working class people's lives impoverished totally telling them they are failures while the wealthy hide their wealth in tax havens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatisliberty View Post
    This is exists because of Ron Paul's fan, Mr Trump being a selfish failure, totally denying the virus threat. Just believing wacko conspiracies. Shame.
    You sound kind of foreign shilly. If not, my apologies but maybe spend more time studying up on the "virus" if you really think it's a threat, along with your vague contextless reference to wacko conspiracies. Assuming it's even real, the survival rate is 99.9% according to the CDC, which hasn't come close to requiring the ridiculous response that it has received. Given media's and politician's propensity to lie about pretty much everything, it's perfectly reasonable to even conclude that it's a run-of-the-mill flu strain, like H3N2, just rebranded for political purposes.
    Last edited by devil21; 01-21-2021 at 09:46 PM.
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    "We have set them on the hobby-horse of an idea about the absorption of individuality by the symbolic unit of COLLECTIVISM. They have never yet and they never will have the sense to reflect that this hobby-horse is a manifest violation of the most important law of nature, which has established from the very creation of the world one unit unlike another and precisely for the purpose of instituting individuality."- A Quote From Some Old Book

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    In Biden’s defense, he thought he was signing a contract for senior care and nursing.
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    He was celebrating.
    Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings. - Heinrich Heine 1823

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatisliberty View Post
    This is exists because of Ron Paul's fan, Mr Trump being a selfish failure, totally denying the virus threat. Just believing wacko conspiracies. Shame. He failed, he at least gave his wages away, like Ron Paul never took a pension because he didn't need it. Biden may turn out good or not, he's the oldest person in office. It is who ever succeeds him, whether he's one term or not will be the last legacy.

    Even more stupid, trump's supporters who invoked prayer, what would I expect from those selfish right wing extremists. No prayer should of been used, and in the inaugurations past. Always their rules, playing to the rapid capitalistic, making all working class people's lives impoverished totally telling them they are failures while the wealthy hide their wealth in tax havens.
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    Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings. - Heinrich Heine 1823

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatisliberty View Post
    This is exists because of Ron Paul's fan, Mr Trump being a selfish failure, totally denying the virus threat. Just believing wacko conspiracies. Shame. He failed, he at least gave his wages away, like Ron Paul never took a pension because he didn't need it. Biden may turn out good or not, he's the oldest person in office. It is who ever succeeds him, whether he's one term or not will be the last legacy.

    Even more stupid, trump's supporters who invoked prayer, what would I expect from those selfish right wing extremists. No prayer should of been used, and in the inaugurations past. Always their rules, playing to the rapid capitalistic, making all working class people's lives impoverished totally telling them they are failures while the wealthy hide their wealth in tax havens.
    Did you pour yourself a bowl of Alpha-bits cereal and get this result?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post


    He was celebrating.
    Raggedly Ann is violating the mask mandate by not wearing a mask as well.
    Last edited by Anti Globalist; 01-22-2021 at 10:34 PM.
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    Karen was shaken ... shaken ... (thread continues on Twitter with more dire hysterics ...)

    https://twitter.com/DLeonhardt/statu...96455450701828

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