Attention: Anti Trump folks!

[dannno]

What Trump did the other day, if done on the exact same spot by a public speaker to a crowd of people who got increasingly upset,
at about the time of our great Civil War, would have possibly gotten the same said public speaker hanged. By the powers that be.
Thankfully, his speech got recorded in its entirety. We know what he said. Eyewitness testimony in the 1800s was often speculative
and subjective. Even with easily several million people watching the rally remotely by a TV or on an internet stream, there is a vast
range of opinions as to the intent of his words. We spent the 90s legally defining the word "IS" becuz Newt Gingrich had a bright idea.

Bull$#@!, Trump told them to go to the Capitol and peacefully cheer on the politicians presenting evidence for vote fraud. Don't pretend you listened to the speech.

[Aratus]

Then she'll end up getting killed and we have President Grassley.

I rather like her, but the idea of IMPEACHING her might be a most sore temptation for many in today's GOP if
poor Senator Grassley was next on the list. PENCE held back from going the distance with the 25th. He clearly
does not want the job. Congress as a body is almost as riled up as it was in 1867 to 1868.... !974 was quieter.

[Aratus]

Bull$#@!, Trump told them to go to the Capitol and peacefully cheer on the politicians presenting evidence for vote fraud. Don't pretend you listened to the speech.

Luv... i am open to the idea that a very charismatic person met up with the mob at the upper end of PENN AVE and aimed them
at the steps precisely becuz Trump had gone home at that point. I am very open to the idea at least 4 to 5 radical groups came
together and reached the critical mass whereby they became a "mobocracy" mob with a mind of its own. Auld Tory definition of
vintage 1700s mobocracy. Normally not a 21st Century mind*frame. Trump may only be guilty of being a total idiot, not an agitator.


mob·oc·ra·cy
/mäˈbäkrəsē/

noun
rule or domination by the masses.

"the court will never permit mobocracy to overwhelm the law of the land"
Definitions from Oxford Languages

[Aratus]

"The breaches happened before the speech was even over, by people who were such big "Trump supporters" that they didn't even bother to go listen to him speak down the street.

That ruined everything, and they didn't get to present the evidence of the vote fraud. It turned into a huge disaster for Trump. Cui bono? (who benefits?)."


THERE IS ONE ANSWER. ---- Bread and circuses...yes. Mitch McConnell. Who is to now micro-managing Donald Trump's new impeachment trial.
The Democrats get reality TV done on the cheap, as they try to get legislation thru the U.S Senate, D.C getz turned into a 7 ring circus like 1868.

[Danke]

It was largely Antifa that were the agitators.

[Aratus]

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Typed in this February 8, 2002 by Jonathan Walther. The source was cap V, volume XIII, pages 142-146 of the "Statutes At Large" series, printed in the year 1764. Also indexed as "Anno primo GEORGEII I. Stat. 2. C. 5." Many sources on the Internet claim the Riot Act was passed in 1715; according to Statutes At Large it was passed in 1714. The confusion may be caused by the fact that the Act took effect in August of 1715. This is, of course, the famous Riot Act that gave rise to the expression Read them the Riot Act!.

CAP. V.
An act for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies, and for the more speedy and effectual punishing the rioters.

I.
Whereas of late many rebellious riots and tumults have been in divers parts of this kingdom, to the disturbance of the publick peace, and the endangering of his Majesty's person and government, and the same are yet continued and fomented by persons disaffected to his Majesty, presuming so to do, for that the punishments provided by the laws now in being are not adequate to such heinous offences; and by such rioters his Majesty and his administration have been most maliciously and falsly traduced, with an intent to raise divisions, and to alienate the affections of the people from his Majesty therefore for the preventing and suppressing of such riots and tumults, and for the more speedy and effectual punishing the offenders therein; be it enacted by the King's most excellent majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the lords spiritual and temporal and of the commons, in this present parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, That if any persons to the number of twelve or more, being unlawfully, riotously, and tumultuously assembled together, to the disturbance of the publick peace, at any time after the last day of July in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and fifteen, and being required or commanded by any one or more justice or justices of the peace, or by the sheriff of the county, or his under-sheriff, or by the mayor, bailiff or bailiffs, or other head-officer, or justice of the peace of any city or town corporate, where such assembly shall be, by proclamation to be made in the King's name, in the form herin after directed, to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, shall, to the number of twelve or more (notwithstanding such proclamation made) unlawfully, riotously, and tumultuously remain or continue together by the space of one hour after such command or request made by proclamation, that then such continuing together to the number of twelve or more, after such command or request made by proclamation, shall be adjudged felony without benefit of clergy, and the offenders therein shall be adjudged felons, and shall suffer death as in a case of felony without benefit of clergy.

II.
And be it further enacted by the authority aforesaid, That the order and form of the proclamation that shall be made by the authority of this act, shall be as hereafter followeth (that is to say) the justice of the peace, or other person authorized by this act to make the said proclamation shall, among the said rioters, or as near to them as he can safely come, with a loud voice command, or cause to be commanded silence to be, while proclamation is making, and after that, shall openly and with loud voice make or cause to be made proclamation in these words, or like in effect:

Our sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the act made in the first year of King George, for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God save the King.

And every such justice and justices of the peace, sheriff, under-sheriff, mayor, bailiff, and other head-officer aforesaid, within the limits of their respective jurisdictions, are hereby authorized, impowered and required, on notice or knowledge of any such unlawful, riotous and tumultuous assembly, to resort to the place where such unlawful, riotous, and tumultuous assemblies shall be, of persons to the number of twelve or more, and there to make or cause to be made proclamation in manner aforesaid.

III.
And be it further enacted by the authority aforesaid, That if such persons so unlawfully, riotously, and tumultuously assembled, or twelve or more of them, after proclamation made in manner aforesaid, shall continue together and not disperse themselves within one hour, That then it shall and may be lawful to and for every justice of the peace, sheriff, or under-sheriff of the county where such assembly shall be, and also to and for every high or petty constable, and other peace-officer within such county, and also to and for every mayor, justice of the peace, sheriff, bailiff, and other head-officer, high or petty constable, and other peace-officer of any city or town corporate where such assembly shall be, and to and for such other person and persons as shall be commanded to be assisting unto any such justice of the peace, sheriff or under-sheriff, mayor, bailiff, or other head-officer aforesaid (who are hereby authorized and impowered to command all his Majesty's subjects of age and ability to be assisting to them therein) to seize and apprehend, and they are hereby required to seize and apprehend such persons so unlawfully, riotously and tumultuously continuing together after proclamation made, as aforesaid, and forthwith to carry the persons so apprehended before one or more of his Majesty's justices of the peace of the county or place where such persons shall be so apprehended, in order to their being proceeded against for such their offences according to law; and that if the persons so unlawfully, riotously and tumultuously assembled, or any of them, shall happen to be killed, maimed or hurt, in the dispersing, seizing or apprehending, or endeavouring to disperse, seize or apprehend them, that then every such justice of the peace, sheriff, under-sheriff, mayor, bailiff, head-officer, high or petty constable, or other peace-officer, and all and singular persons, being aiding and assisting to them, or any of them, shall be free, discharged and indemnified, as well against the King's Majesty, his heirs and successors, as against all and every other person and persons, of, for, or concerning the killing, maiming, or hurting of any such person or persons so unlawfully, riotously and tumultuously assembled, that shall happen to be so killed, maimed or hurt, as aforesaid.

IV.
And be it further enacted by the authority aforesaid, That if any persons unlawfully, riotously and tumultuously assembled together, to the disturbance of the publick peace, shall unlawfully, and with force demolish or pull down, or begin to demolish or pull down any church or chapel, or any building for religious worship certified and registred according to the statute made in the first year of the reign of the late King William and Queen Mary, intituled, An act for exempting their Majesty's protestant subjects dissenting from the church of England from the penalties of certain laws, or any dwelling-house, barn, stable, or other out-house, that then every such demolishing, or pulling down, or beginning to demolish, or pull down, shall be adjudged felony without benefit of clergy, and the offenders therein shall be adjudged felons, and shall suffer death as in case of felony, without benefit of clergy.

V.
Provided always, and be it further enacted by the authority aforesaid, That if any person or persons do, or shall, with force and arms, wilfully and knowingly oppose, obstruct, or in any manner wilfully and knowingly lett, hinder, or hurt any person or persons that shall begin to proclaim, or go to proclaim according to the proclamation hereby directed to be made, whereby such proclamation shall not be made, that then every such apposing, obstructing, letting, hindering or hurting such person or persons, so beginning or going to make such proclamation, as aforesaid, shall be adjudged felony without benefit of clergy, and the offenders therein shall be adjudged felons, and shall suffer death as in case of felony, without benefit of clergy; and that also every such person or persons so being unlawfully, riotously and tumultuously assembled, to the number of twelve, as aforesaid, or more, to whom proclamation should or ought to have been made if the same had not been hindred, as aforesaid, shall likewise, in case they or any of them, to the number of twelve or more, shall continue together, and not disperse themselves within one hour after such lett or hindrance so made, having knowledge of such lett or hindrance so made, shall be adjudged felons, and shall suffer death as in case of felony, without benefit of clergy.

VI.
And be it further enacted by the authority aforesaid, That if after the said last day of July one thousand seven hundred and fifteen, any such church or chapel, or any such building for religious worship, or any such dwelling-house, barn, stable, or other out-house, shall be demolished or pulled down wholly, or in part, by any persons so unlawfully, riotously and tumultuously assembled, that then, in case such church, chapel, building for religious worship, dwelling-house, barn, stable, or out-house, shall be out of any city or town, that is either a county of itself, or is not within any hundred, that then the inhabitants of the hundred in which such damage shall be done, shall be liable to yield damages to the person or persons injured and damnified by such demolishing or pulling down wholly or in part; and such damages shall and may be recovered by action to be brought in any of his Majesty's courts of record at Westminster, (wherein no effoin, protection or wager of law, or any imparlance shall be allowed) by the person or persons damnified thereby, against any two or more of the inhabitants of such hundred, such action for damages to any church or chapel to be brought in the name of the rector, vicar or curate of such church or chapel that shall be so damnified, in trust for applying the damages to be recovered in rebuilding or repairing such church or chapel; and that judgment being given for the plaintiff or plaintiffs in such action, the damages so to be recovered shall, at the request of such plaintiff or plaintiffs, his or their executors or administrators, be raised and levied on the inhabitants of such hundred, and paid to such plaintiff or plaintiffs, in such manner and form, and by such ways and means, as are provided by the statute made in the seven and twentieth year of the reign of Queen Elizabeth, for reimbursing the person or persons on whom any money recovered against any hundred by any party robbed, shall be levied: and in case any such church, chapel, building for religious worship, dwelling-house, barn, stable, or out-house so damnified, shall be in any city or town that is either a county of itself, or is not within any hundred, that then such damages shall and may be recovered by action to be brought in manner aforesaid (where no effoin, protection or wager of law, or any imparlance shall be allowed) against two or more inhabitants of such city or town; and judgment being given for the plaintiff or plaintiffs in such action, the damages so to be recovered shall, at the request of such plaintiff or plaintiffs, his or their executors or administrators, made to the justices of the peace of such city or town at any quarter-sessions to be holden for the said city or town, be raised and levied on the inhabitants of such city or town, and paid to such plaintiff or plaintiffs, in such manner and form, and by such ways and means, as are provided by the said statute made in the seven and twentieth year of the reign of Queen Elizabeth, for reimbursing the person or persons on whom any money recovered against any hundred by any party robbed, shall be levied.

VII.
And be it further enacted by the authority aforesaid, That this act shall be openly read at every quarter-session, and at every leet or law-day.

VIII.
Provided always, That no person or persons shall be prosecuted by virtue of this act, for any offence or offences committed contrary to the same, unless such prosecution be commenced within twelve months after the offence committed.

IX.
And be it further enacted by the authority aforesaid, That the sheriffs and their deputies, stewards and their deputies, bailies of regalities and their deputies, magistrates of royal boroughs, and all other inferior judges and magistrates, and also all high and petty constables, or other peace-officers of any county, stewartry, city or town, within that part of Great Britain called Scotland, shall have the same powers and authority for putting this present act in execution within Scotland, as the justices of the peace and other magistrates aforesaid, respectively have by virtue of this act, within and for the other parts of this kingdom; and that all and every person and persons who shall at any time be convicted of any the offences aforementioned, within that part of Great Britain called Scotland, shall for every such offence incur and suffer the pain of death, and confiscation of moveables: and also that all prosecutions for repairing the damages of any church or chapel, or any building for religious worship, or any dwelling-house, barn, stable or out-house, which shall be demolished or pulled down in whole or in part, within Scotland, by any persons unlawfully, riotously or tumultuously assembled, shall and may be recovered by summar action, at the instance of the party aggrieved, his or her heirs or executors, against the county, stewartry, city or borough respectively, where such disorders shall happen, the magistrates being summoned in the ordinary form, and the several counties and stewartries called by edictal citation at the market-cross of the head borough of such county or stewartry respectively, and that in general, without mentioning their names and designations.

X.
Provided, and it is hereby declared, That this act shall extend to all places for religious worship, in that part of Great Britain called Scotland, which are tolerated by law, and where his majesty King George, the prince and princess of Wales, and their issue, are prayed for in express words.

[Contumacious]

Violence was incited by

1- the corrupt Democrats Hierarchy who stole the election
2- the Scumbag politicians in blacks robes who refused to adjudicate the numerous verified complaints
3- the spineless nutless congresscritters who subborned election FRAUD




.

[DamianTV]

Violence was incited by

1- the corrupt Democrats Hierarchy who stole the election
2- the Scumbag politicians in blacks robes who refused to adjudicate the numerous verified complaints
3- the spineless nutless congresscritters who subborned election FRAUD




.

Pretty much EVERYONE EXCEPT Trump...

[dannno]

Violence was incited by

1- the corrupt Democrats Hierarchy who stole the election
2- the Scumbag politicians in blacks robes who refused to adjudicate the numerous verified complaints
3- the spineless nutless congresscritters who subborned election FRAUD




.

Fake news media has gotta be pretty high up, too.

[DamianTV]

It almost feels like Trump threw himself to the VIPERS just so we could know who they are. Self Sacrifice?

[CCTelander]

It almost feels like Trump threw himself to the VIPERS just so we could know who they are. Self Sacrifice?

Yes. YES! It's all becoming clear now. And as he did so I'm quite certain he could be heard praying under his breath, "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from my hand."

SMGDH

[BSWPaulsen]

It almost feels like Trump threw himself to the VIPERS just so we could know who they are. Self Sacrifice?

If he did such a thing at all, then it was entirely by accident. Given all of the fight has gone out of him since the events of January 6th, it is clear that he is no warrior intent on bringing the left's evil to task. Self-preservation is very much at the top of his priorities at this time.

[LibertyEagle]

No it isn't. None of that is going to happen. We hear all this every 4 years. Trump is going to retire to Florida and Biden is going to be a $#@!ty mediocre do nothing president.

I'm more worried some trumkin is going to kill Biden and Harris. Then what happens?

Do you actually read any of Ron Paul's columns or watch any of his videos? Because it's easy to tell, he's worried. Have you read about the upcoming World Economic Forum's plan for The Great Reset? Have you read what RP said about it?

[LibertyEagle]

If he did such a thing at all, then it was entirely by accident. Given all of the fight has gone out of him since the events of January 6th, it is clear that he is no warrior intent on bringing the left's evil to task. Self-preservation is very much at the top of his priorities at this time.

Really? Trump did more in 4 years to awaken the American people to the sheer corruptness of both so-called sides of our government, the FBI, the CIA, the Justice Dept, etc. than all the libertarian organizations put together for the last 50 years.

Now, they need to be shown that more freedom and less government is the answer and steps to get them there.

[BSWPaulsen]

Really? Trump did more in 4 years to awaken the American people to the sheer corruptness of both so-called sides of our government, the FBI, the CIA, the Justice Dept, etc. than all the libertarian organizations put together for the last 50 years.

Now, they need to be shown that more freedom and less government is the answer and steps to get them there.

He gets full credit from me for increasing general awareness of corruption. However, that was not some heroic crusade he waged against the left as was insinuated in the post I responded to. It was a beneficial side-effect of his presidency, and I am thankful for it. At the present time, his fight against the corruption is over due to his need for self-preservation, and it falls to patriots to be absolutely ungovernable pains in the asses that actively subvert the left at every turn.

[Origanalist]

Luv... i am open to the idea that a very charismatic person met up with the mob at the upper end of PENN AVE and aimed them
at the steps precisely becuz Trump had gone home at that point. I am very open to the idea at least 4 to 5 radical groups came
together and reached the critical mass whereby they became a "mobocracy" mob with a mind of its own. Auld Tory definition of
vintage 1700s mobocracy. Normally not a 21st Century mind*frame. Trump may only be guilty of being a total idiot, not an agitator.


mob·oc·ra·cy
/mäˈbäkrəsē/

noun
rule or domination by the masses.

"the court will never permit mobocracy to overwhelm the law of the land"
Definitions from Oxford Languages

Normally not a 21st century mind frame? Shirley you must be joking.

[69360]

I have never suffered from TDS on either the love or hate side.

Current events have me siding with him simply because of the attacks against..
And the fact that all of the reasonable sane folks in local society support what Trump symbolizes ..

And I have Seen what the attackers support.. and in my view it is horribly Un-American.. Abhorrent even.

Nothing says you have to take a side. I don't like the dems or the trumpkins. Both are causing all the trouble in our country.

[TheCount]

It almost feels like Trump threw himself to the VIPERS just so we could know who they are. Self Sacrifice?

Oh good, the return of the 3D chess.

[DamianTV]

Normally not a 21st century mind frame? Shirley you must be joking.

I am joking and dont call me Shirley!

[Todd]

No where.

[CaptUSA]

Anyone remember this speech???



If Trump incited violence, then this guy was inciting an all-out war!

[Invisible Man]

In Trump's speech when he says that Congress should send the votes back to the state to be recertified and then he'll win, it reminded me of this scene from the office.

[pcosmar]

Nothing says you have to take a side. I don't like the dems or the trumpkins. Both are causing all the trouble in our country.

Nope..Though socialism has existed here my entire lifetime,,the "progressive" democrats have gone off the rails..

and over the last 2 years I have gathered with Folks at the Capitol,, Libertarians,Voluntarists,Republicans,,and even had discussion with a Pro-life Democrat that was running.,,and some Trump Fans.
Huge rallies at the Capitol without Violence,,

Those folks are not the problem..

Anarcho-Communists are a problem. repeatedly.

[Origanalist]

Nope..Though socialism has existed here my entire lifetime,,the "progressive" democrats have gone off the rails..

and over the last 2 years I have gathered with Folks at the Capitol,, Libertarians,Voluntarists,Republicans,,and even had discussion with a Pro-life Democrat that was running.,,and some Trump Fans.
Huge rallies at the Capitol without Violence,,

Those folks are not the problem..

Anarcho-Communists are a problem. repeatedly.

Agree.

[Anti Federalist]

So, after three pages now, is it safe to say that there is no readily available evidence that suggest or shows or records Trump inciting a riot on 6 Jan?

[Invisible Man]

So, after three pages now, is it safe to say that there is no readily available evidence that suggest or shows or records Trump inciting a riot on 6 Jan?

I definitely don't think that Trump did anything that would meet the standard of inciting a riot in a trial for that crime in a court. If I were on a jury for that case, I'd rule innocent.

But impeachment of a president and conviction by the Senate are political processes, not juridical ones, so that's not necessarily the question that really matters. I don't think the standard for impeachment and conviction of a president, so as to remove him from holding office (which is only the loss of a privilege and not a right) should be limited to actual crimes with their legal definitions. The Constitution refers to high crimes and misdemeanors, which is a much broader standard of anything unbefitting of the office, whether against a law or not.

I do agree with Massie that Trump bears some responsibility for what happened on January 6th, both on account of the speech he gave and in other things he said in speeches and tweets leading up to that. I think it's stupid to remove him from office with less than a week to go in his term. But I don't deny that he deserves it.

The House probably should have used some other charge that didn't already have an accepted legal definition.

[phill4paul]

So, after three pages now, is it safe to say that there is no readily available evidence that suggest or shows or records Trump inciting a riot on 6 Jan?

This. 1,000X this. No, the usual suspects showed up with their usual bull$#@!. It was simple question. Much like those that stood and called for impeachment, nothing but demagoguery.

[kahless]

So, after three pages now, is it safe to say that there is no readily available evidence that suggest or shows or records Trump inciting a riot on 6 Jan?

I will take a stab at it. His comments made while the masses are all fired up at a time you have to worry about whether they would read between the lines with these formerly known as speaking figuratively fighting words. The other candidates comments in the past like McCain were made at a time when people were not fired up over some so serious like a fraudulent election. The supporters figure Trump cannot come out to say what he really wants them to do and is saying it in code so they would take matters into their own hands for their dear leader that had been firing them up all along.

You had his most fervent supporters/surrogates being fired up on social media before hand. Was this organic or was this being fired up from either side for their own reasons? An entire news media narrative was built around him and by his followers before hand about this possibly ending badly. So was it really as if he did not know they are going to read between the lines with strong language at his rallies?

Everyone was talking about it before hand what might happen and then you have him which sounds like he was holding back. There was even a segment of vocal Trump supporters that thought through whatever action he would overturn the election through this process. So what really did anyone expect when you think about it.

[Aratus]

So, after three pages now, is it safe to say that there is no readily available evidence that suggest or shows or records Trump inciting a riot on 6 Jan?

not directly. nothing said at the rally. none of the quotes normally would be enough to send total strangers into action in unison.
which then suggests the rioters were not total strangers to each other. it does look like he provided a way for them to meet up,
and stood back as they gathered up the resolve to do what they did. i think he could have quieted them all down, or maybe been
honest with them. as it stands now, they could have been talked to, and the situation might have been defused. i think he knew
what they possibly might do, but he let them do it. he didn't talk them out of it. he let the situation fester. he vented, they took
everything literally, and felt he was backing them up to the 100 percentile. he wasn't. he simply played games with their emotions.

[Sonny Tufts]

I don't think the standard for impeachment and conviction of a president, so as to remove him from holding office (which is only the loss of a privilege and not a right) should be limited to actual crimes with their legal definitions. The Constitution refers to high crimes and misdemeanors, which is a much broader standard of anything unbefitting of the office, whether against a law or not.

Most legal scholars agree with that position. https://apnews.com/article/a4ac94cbd...dce82d0f60d0a4