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    Murder charges for "Peaceful Protesters"

    Prosecutors weigh ‘heavy hammer’ — felony murder — for rioters in Capitol officer’s death


    https://wtop.com/dc/2021/01/prosecut...fficers-death/


    As federal prosecutors file charges against rioters who took part in last Wednesday’s violent takeover of the U.S. Capitol, investigators continue to gather evidence in the death of Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick, who died from injuries sustained during the attack.

    While most murder investigations focus on the person or persons who caused the fatal injury, former federal prosecutor Tim Heaphy said prosecutors could charge many rioters with felony murder, even if they were nowhere near Sicknick.

    Heaphy led the monthslong investigation into the law enforcement performance before, during, and after the deadly 2017 white nationalist rally, in Charlottesville, Virginia. Heaphy was the U.S. Attorney for Western District of Virginia from December 2009 through January 2015, appointed by President Barack Obama.

    Under the doctrine of felony murder, which applies in the District of Columbia, any murder that occurs during the commission of one of several underlying felonies is chargeable as felony murder.

    “The classic example is if three guys go to rob a convenience store, and one guy is the getaway driver. If in the commission of the robbery, the clerk was shot and killed, all three of the participants in the robbery of the store are potentially guilty of felony murder,” said Heaphy.

    On Jan. 6, hundreds of supporters of President Donald Trump broke through barricades and into the U.S. Capitol, as Congress worked to count the electoral votes to affirm President-Elect Joe Biden’s victory.

    In the federal murder code, 11 underlying felonies which can be part of a felony murder charge are listed — one which could be applicable to the Jan. 6 takeover is burglary.

    “You could look at the storming of the doors of the Capitol by that riotous mob as burglary. If they went in with the intent to steal, disrupt proceedings, to commit other offenses, they committed burglary. And, therefore, a murder that occurred during the course of a burglary could be potentially charged as felony murder,” Heaphy said.

    The mere act of breaking into the Capitol doesn’t constitute burglary, Heaphy said. Prosecutors would need to prove that they intended to do something criminal, once they were inside.

    “Let’s say somebody storms the Capitol with the intent to disrupt Congress, or steal the sign outside of Speaker Pelosi’s door, and there’s a murder that occurs in the midst of that, he could be charged with felony murder,” Heaphy said.

    As with any crime, federal or state, prosecutors have to weigh whether charges can be sustained in court.

    In this case, with the crimes committed on federal property, and in the death of a federal employee, the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia — which prosecutes cases in both federal and local courts — would have the felony murder count at its disposal.

    “That’s why it is such a friend to the prosecutor,” Heaphy said.

    “It’s a pretty heavy hammer to charge accomplices, to charge aiders and abettors, who don’t necessarily intend to murder — if they’re going to engage in felonious conduct, they are potentially responsible for the consequences of that conduct, if death ensues.”

    Asked whether Acting U.S. Attorney Michael Sherwin and Acting Principal U.S. Attorney Ken Kohl had ruled out filing felony murder charges in connections with Sicknick’s death, spokeswoman Shelia Miller said: “Since this is a pending death investigation, we cannot comment at this time.”

    Prosecutors have not named any suspects in connection with the physical altercation that led to Sicknick’s death. A federal conviction for first-degree murder in the District of Columbia, unlike in D.C. Superior Court, is eligible for the death penalty.



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    Welcome to judicial system of Soviet Amerika.
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    Just curious, has anyone been tried, much less convicted, for the deaths of the 2 young men at the CHAZ in Seattle last fall? I'll wait.

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    The Provocateurs are certainly responsible to a degree.. but those involved directly in the attack need to be identified and charged.. The mob of followers are not responsible for murder. The Provocateurs and instigators certainly are. But I am concerned that they will be well protected..

    and bystanders will be hung.
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    It's worth noticing that this entire idea is just a thought experiment about what prosecutors hypothetically could attempt to do, not that it's likely that they will, or that they would succeed if they did.

    It's like the huge headline I saw recently at the top of Drudge, that only said something sensational like, "PARDONS FOR THE CAPITOL RIOTERS," as though Trump had said he would pardon them all, when it was really just an article by some nobody expressing his fears that Trump hypothetically could do that with no basis for worry that he would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    It's worth noticing that this entire idea is just a thought experiment about what prosecutors hypothetically could attempt to do, not that it's likely that they will, or that they would succeed if they did.
    It is not some kind of benign thought experiment because if that were the case, then it would not be fit to print. It is explicitly designed to shift the framing of the discussion and discourage people from engaging in similar behavior by emphasizing potential repercussions. It is an extraordinarily pure form of propaganda. Only useful idiots attempt to treat it as anything but that.

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    Nothing of the veteran who was murdered?

    MSM headline If the tables were turned:

    Sexist Cop Kills Unarmed Heroic Female Freedom Fighter

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    Based on past leftist revolutions, I wouldn't be surprised if there are trials for those who haven't denounced this riot loud enough.
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    Yet BLM can MURDER, like actually MURDER people. What, 27 DEATHS this summer from THEIR RIOTS? But thats just fine!

    Double Standards.

    So many people dont have a clue about what is HERE. This is about to become HOT COMMUNISM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BSWPaulsen View Post
    It is not some kind of benign thought experiment because if that were the case, then it would not be fit to print.
    It is a mere thought experiment that is not fit to print. In order to be more than that, they would need some evidence that their hypothetical is actually likely to happen.

    Much of the sensationalistic garbage that's being used to scare both sides with images of doom and gloom is like that.
    Last edited by Invisible Man; 01-12-2021 at 07:13 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    It is a mere thought experiment that is not fit to print. In order to be more than that, they would need some evidence that their hypothetical is actually likely to happen.

    Much of the sensationalistic garbage that's being used to scare both sides with images of doom and gloom is like that.
    Feds regularly charge everyone involved in a "criminal enterprise" with the totally of the enterprise.

    This is nothing new, in fact it's a common tactic used to extract testimony and plea bargains to aid a prosecutors score card.

    "Full knowledge" of the enterprise isn't required for prosecution.

    Do not ever underestimate the power government grants itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invisible Man View Post
    It is a mere thought experiment that is not fit to print. In order to be more than that, they would need some evidence that their hypothetical is actually likely to happen.

    Much of the sensationalistic garbage that's being used to scare both sides with images of doom and gloom is like that.
    Yet there it is, printed.

    There has already been a demonstrably more heavy handed response to this incident by law enforcement.
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    By this logic, everyone in Chicago is guilty.

    We're being governed ruled by a geriatric Alzheimer patient/puppet whose strings are being pulled by an elitist oligarchy who believe they can manage the world... imagine the utter maniacal, sociopathic hubris!



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