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"The Patriarch"
"We have won this election in Georgia."
"That's what the rumor is."
"A lot of Republicans are going to vote negative (in the Senate races, if you don't change the votes for me)."
This man is an abomination of stupidity, of degeneracy; he has single-handedly destroyed the GOP.
Now we know why Bill Clinton encouraged him to run.
Do you idiots supporting him still not get it?
Just when you think that Sonny Tufts can sink any lowerOriginally Posted by Sonny Tufts
David Shafer: President Donald Trump has filed two lawsuits – federal and state – against Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger. This was after Raffensperger secretly recorded the “confidential settlement discussion” of that litigation that is still pending. The audio published by the Washington Post is heavily edited and omits the stipulation that all discussions were for the purpose of settling litigation and confidential under federal and state law.
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"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)
Outrageous! Horrible! Never before in the history of politics has anyone been “berated” in such a way!
It appears that TDS recovery will be a slow process.
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Destroyed the GOP? Really? What exactly did he destroy?
"The Patriarch"
He's realigning the GOP because the GOP is corrupt. And he has exposed it. Do you STILL not get it?
He turned a party which sometimes pretends to care about small government into one in which that topic never comes up at all.
...i.e. he killed the Ron Paul strategy.
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"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)
What, in terms of policy, do you want from the GOP?
If you want insane spending (and printing to finance the same), then you're all set.
wrest by degree all powers USURP by the central government
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"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)
Yea, swell, for what purpose?
Do you even know what you want?
Answer the questions that I propounded on the other threads first.
You act like an insomniac contrarian.
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"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)
Not only that, he made it so that Republicans no longer even believe in voting or trust the system enough to even bother voting anymore. Lol, if he wasn’t a Democrat plant he sure did a great job of acting like one. Single-handedly eliminating the Democrats’ only real competition, the only other major party. Lol.
The arrangement that you have here doesn't interest me; best of luck.
Right?
...somehow this isn't obvious?
Well, then YOU for president. You are an intellectual that could out think the Machiavellian corridors and triumph! Oh, wait, no. You're a nobody who really hasn't accomplished $#@!ing anything. Except F.U.D.
Take another crack hit if you believe exposing the two-party one-party system to be a bad thing.
Did Trump just encourage Republicans to vote for Democrats in Georgia Senate election?
"The people of Georgia know that this was a scam, and because of what you've done to the president, a lot of people aren't going out to vote [in the runoffs]," Trump said in the remarkable Saturday call. "A lot of Republicans are going to vote negative because they hate what you did to the president."
Mark this as the beginning of the end of the final chapter of politics of GOP-Adelson wing groomed Republicans (or as some extremists like Steve Bannon call them 'Democrats') .
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Delta variant, death of 9 Chinese engineers in terror attack led to airport chaos & quick Kabul fall?
How dare Trump ask the state of Georgia to rectify the easily provable vote fraud?
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Now that Dems will hold the white house the topics of gov spending, balanced budgets, and deficit will suddenly matter again.
“…let us teach them that all who draw breath are of equal worth, and that those who seek to press heel upon the throat of liberty, will fall to the cry of FREEDOM!!!” – Spartacus, War of the Damned
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If it's so easily provable then why hasn't any court, anywhere, taken up the case? Even trump appointed judges haven't deemed it worthy to allow. Trump still has the pulpit, he could start laying some of the hard evidence out direct to the populace. No conspiracy theories or conjectures needed, no youtube videos or blog postings explaining how it was done - put the actual evidence out in a white house briefing, put it on the whitehouse.gov website, put on the official donaldtrump or GOP website, show the people the actual easily provable fraud. Until it's in court, or at least on an official website it's just another conspiracy theory.How dare Trump ask the state of Georgia to rectify the easily provable vote fraud?
“…let us teach them that all who draw breath are of equal worth, and that those who seek to press heel upon the throat of liberty, will fall to the cry of FREEDOM!!!” – Spartacus, War of the Damned
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What's that you say? An hour-long phone call clipped into 4.5 minutes? No room for any funny business there!
This media story equates to a Little veggie burger fed to the always outraged Trump crowd
Pathetic.
Trump improved the GOP.
Yeah we're not supposed to trust our lying eyes...time to move along and allow the criminal take over. You WILL SUBMIT and like it!
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
I want fair elections.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...ensperger.htmlJanuary 4, 2021
The media are lying about Trump’s phone call with Raffensperger
By Andrea Widburg
The mainstream media and Georgia’s Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger, are utterly disgraceful, dishonest, and manipulative people. Raffensperger released a private phone call that the media immediately claimed – falsely -- showed Trump begging Raffensperger to fraudulently find enough votes for Trump to win. In fact, Trump called Raffensperger to try to get him to stop obstructing the fraud investigation. As Trump explained during the call, evidence proves Trump won Georgia by a massive margin, only to have victory stolen through equally massive fraud. Trump sought to avoid litigation forcing Raffensperger to do his job, which is to make at least a minimal effort to clear away enough fraud to allow Trump his actual and honest victory in Georgia.
Here are just two examples of the media’s dishonest claim that Trump was trying to force Raffensperger to commit fraud. As you can see, their premise is that there is no evidence of fraud, so any action on Trump’s part to claim victory is itself fraud. Theirs is a deliberate example of circular logic, where their premise and conclusion are the same thing.
Washington Post: “The Washington Post obtained a recording of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking ‘a big risk.’”
CNN: “In excerpts of the stunning one-hour phone call Saturday, Trump lambasted his fellow Republican for refusing to falsely say that he won the election in Georgia and repeatedly touted baseless claims of election fraud.”
Here’s what really happened on the phone call. First, Trump wasn’t the only person on the phone. Also present were Mark Meadows, Mike Pompeo, and multiple attorneys. There isn’t the slightest chance that they would have allowed Trump to beg Raffensperger for illegal votes or to threaten him.
Second, contrary to what the media implied, Trump was not operating off the premise that he lost Georgia. If that had been the case, it would indeed have been wrong for Trump to beg for Raffensperger to “find” votes for him.
Instead, Trump was operating from the assertion that he won Georgia. He opened the call with a strong recitation of the facts showing massive fraud on Raffensperger’s watch. According to Trump’s evidence, he didn’t lose by 11,780 votes; he won by well over 300,000 votes, including votes for Trump that disappeared and illegal votes for Biden. Here are some of Trump’s statements in that regard:
“I think it’s pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially in Georgia.”
“We have . . . anywhere from 250-300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls.”
“We think that if you check the signatures — a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County you’ll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures. . . .”
“[I]n the 50s of thousands . . . that’s people that went to vote and they were told they can’t vote because they’ve already been voted for.”
“It’s 4,502 who voted but they weren’t on the voter registration roll which they had to be. . . .”
“You had 18,325 vacant address voters. The address was vacant and they’re not allowed to be counted.”
Trump alluded to the faked water main break that allowed Fulton County election workers to count votes for hours after having sent observers home. He noted that the video of that after-hours voting indicated that at “the minimum it was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden.”
Trump pointed to 4,925 illegal out-of-state voters, 2,326 absentee ballots from vacant addresses, 5,000 dead people voting, and improperly handled drop boxes. And he brought up the allegations that Georgia is shredding evidence as fast as it can.
The bottom line, as Trump accurately said, is that these infractions were “many, many times the 11,779 margin [sic] that they said we lost by.”
Trump hammered over and over that he won the state. No matter how you look at it, he said, he won, and he’s got the evidence to prove it.
At this point, Mark Meadows stated what Trump’s team wanted – and it wasn’t to fake votes for Trump. It was, instead, an honest investigation: “What I’m hopeful for is there some way that we can . . . find some kind of agreement to look at this a little bit more fully.” Thus, Meadows sought an agreement “that we can at least have a discussion to look at some of these allegations to find a path forward that’s less litigious.”
Raffensperger pushed back saying that he’d already had to deal with lawsuits (ignoring that the courts refused to hear evidence). He also huffed that “we gave our state Senate about one and a half hours of our time going through the election issue by issue and then on the state House, the government affairs committee, we gave them about two and a half hours of our time, going back point by point on all the issues of contention. And then just a few days ago we met with our U.S. congressmen, Republican congressmen, and we gave them about two hours of our time talking about this past election.”
Did you get that? The biggest election fraud claim in American history, the President on the phone, massive amounts of evidence, and Raffensperger whines that he’s already given up six-and-a-half hours of his time to the issue.
Trump again chimed in to say, “We won the state.” In response to Raffensperger’s complaint that he sacrificed six-and-a-half hours to the matter, Trump suggests that Raffensperger does not need to invest massive time in investigating all 300,000-plus problematic votes. He just needs to investigate 11,779 to give Trump his rightful victory. For, as Trump says, “Because, what’s the difference between winning the election by two votes and winning it by half a million votes. I think I probably did win it by half a million.”
When Raffensberger pushes back again, saying that his office disproved the cemetery vote contention, Cleta Mitchell, a Trump attorney, makes an important point: Georgia has been withholding records from the White House.
There’s more in the conversation (much more, including a debate about the video showing Ruby Freeman repeatedly scanning the same ballots), but you get the gist. Trump won. A lazy, entitled, arrogant, and corrupt Raffensperger won’t work with the White House to look for fraud (or prove the absence of fraud). And the corrupt, dissolute, dishonest American media, unless brought to heel, will be the downfall of our constitutional republic.
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
Followed up by this...
January 4, 2021
President Trump sues Georgia’s Brad Raffensperger
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...ensperger.html
“The spirits of darkness are now among us. We have to be on guard so that we may realize what is happening when we encounter them and gain a real idea of where they are to be found. The most dangerous thing you can do in the immediate future will be to give yourself up unconsciously to the influences which are definitely present.” ~ Rudolf Steiner
He isn't realigning it. And how does his own corruption, caught on the recording in the OP, serve to make the GOP less corrupt?
He has no problem with corruption in general. He only wants to make sure it's corruption in his favor.
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