12 senators to object to Electoral College certification. Crickets from Rand Paul

[danda]

from: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop...fication-audit

A group of GOP senators led by Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, will object to the Jan. 6 certification of the presidential election results next week unless there is an emergency 10-day audit of the results by an electoral commission.

Cruz and the other senators claim the Nov. 3 election "featured unprecedented allegations of voter fraud and illegal conduct."

Joining Cruz are Sens. Ron Johnson, R-Wis.; James Lankford, R-Okla.; Steve Daines, R-Mont.; John Kennedy, R-La.; Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., and Mike Braun, R-Ind.; as well as Sens.-elect Cynthia Lummis, R-Wyo.; Roger Marshall, R-Kansas; Bill Hagerty, R-Tenn., and Tommy Tuberville, R-Ala.

Their effort is separate from one announced by Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., who said this week that he will object to what he claims was the failure of some states -- most notably Pennsylvania -- to follow their own election laws.

First of all, props to those senators for standing up!

Second: Rand clearly is not leading. Is he following or getting out of the way? Either way, uninspiring.

What would Ron Paul do?

[oyarde]

from: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop...fication-audit



First of all, props to those senators for standing up!

Second: Rand clearly is not leading. Is he following or getting out of the way? Either way, uninspiring.

What would Ron Paul do?

Have to ask Ron . If he was a sitting Senator though currently I expect he would accept the states individual certifications of their vote. If they followed the law I see little recourse in not doing so. If they didnt follow the law there would need to be proof . Hawley is stating he doesnt believe Penn did .

[enhanced_deficit]

Rand should consider offering conditional support and start by asking "what have you done for me lately".

Quote:
He did some good but how many of Rand advocated policies and principles he trampled on while providing Rand occasional access witout influence as Matt noted rightly. In few months/years, Trump could be dumped by GOP base as they did with "Bush/Cheney" opportunistically. GOP would probably ditch "America-First" and revert back to "God, Family, Country" priorities model once "Pence 2024" noise gains traction.
From another thread on same topic:

Rand's support to ZOA financier funded candidate's recovery effort should be conditional, no need to give blind support to a relatively well behaved neocons laced tainted administration whose closest ally on world stage had been an Iraq war lobbying parasitic foreign state's head and just got played in the end by treacherous neocons anyway.

MAGA 'injured bear' (borrowing another forum guest's analogy) seems in decisive mode right now and means business looking at resignation demand threat against FDA head to secure very quick approval of vaccine on Friday. Before joining this effort, Rand should demand that alpha MAGA leader issue similar tweet ultimatum for quickly ending forever wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and stopping $Billions in more wasteful wars spending in latest budget.
As MAGA tries to hold accountable deep neocons/'treacherous zionists' who allegedly supported 'stolen election' coup against him, he can be supported in principle but Rand should offer qualified support based on such conditions.

[Contumacious]

from: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop...fication-audit



First of all, props to those senators for standing up!

Second: Rand clearly is not leading. Is he following or getting out of the way? Either way, uninspiring.

What would Ron Paul do?

[69360]

Smart move, let those 12 torpedo their political careers with this nonsense and be better positioned for a 2024 run.

[Swordsmyth]

Smart move, let those 12 torpedo their political careers with this nonsense and be better positioned for a 2024 run.

You have that backwards, Demoncrat, no Republican who fails to stand up against the fraud will be nominated and no Republican will ever be elected POTUS again if your side gets away with this level of fraud.

Rand is making a fool of himself with his silence.

[Swordsmyth]

Have to ask Ron . If he was a sitting Senator though currently I expect he would accept the states individual certifications of their vote. If they followed the law I see little recourse in not doing so. If they didnt follow the law there would need to be proof . Hawley is stating he doesnt believe Penn did .

The fraud is glaringly obvious and Ron has talked about it so I'm sure that he would be objecting.
Rand is hurting himself by staying silent and he will destroy his political future if he doesn't join the objections on the 6th.

[Anti Globalist]

Could Rand not be joining the objectors because he knows it's not going to change anything?

[vita3]

All that matters is who speaks up when proceeding begin

I expect Rand to speak the truth, which he almost always does

[Snowball]

All that matters is who speaks up when proceeding begin

I expect Rand to speak the truth, which he almost always does

The problem isn't Rand, it's the RINOs in the Senate, because if the Senate does not reject the Electoral College
results from enough states to push Biden under 270, Biden wins. Every contested state will each get a vote upon certify or not
in the House and Senate on a one-by-one basis.

It is difficult to imagine Romney, Collins, Alexander, Sasse, Thune (who Trump unwittingly inflamed) consenting to invalidating
enough states to make this happen.

After that, it's only the lunatic fringe that claims Pence himself can refuse to validate the states. The 12th Amendment does not give the
VP that ability to decide on his own. His only role is to put it to the House per 12th rules if the House goes one way and the Senate another.

Pence could delay the procedure and ask for a period of further inspection and debate, but again, it reverts ultimately to the GOP acting
as a unit with full strength that is unlikely to happen.

[kahless]

Could Rand not be joining the objectors because he knows it's not going to change anything?

I was thinking that to and does not want to stymie his efforts working across party lines.

Headline could also be.

12 Senators who will be featured on the Trump news channel.
12 Senators securing future voters from Trump's base.

Nothing is going to happen other than a few speeches calling out voter fraud.

[vita3]

New Congress gets sworn in 8 minutes

Will be a little more pro Trump lol

Not “expecting” an overturn on Wednesday...

[Philhelm]

Smart move, let those 12 torpedo their political careers with this nonsense and be better positioned for a 2024 run.

Why would they suddenly cease using election fraud in order to allow Rand to have a shot (assuming that he would even prevail during the primary)?

[Cleaner44]

I consider these 12 to be allies. I wish Rand were on the list. Siding with the Democrats and Establishment Republicans is not where I want to be.

[enhanced_deficit]

Could Rand not be joining the objectors because he knows it's not going to change anything?

Rand probably has realized that Trump is not as good at surrounding himself with the "best people" as he has been claiming.
Even before this, chances were very slim but after this attack Pence is certainly not going to help cause of this blundering team. Their 3D Chess is starting to look like checkers against a powerful machine.

Trump election lawyer Lin Wood calls for Pence to be ‘executed by firing squad’

Smart move, let those 12 torpedo their political careers with this nonsense and be better positioned for a 2024 run.

Dershowitz/ZOA/John Bolton groomed prodigy and "boots on the ground" Syria intervention champion Rafael "Ted" Cruz already had some baggage but this stunt (for show only probably, seems unlikely that Cruz would have joined this effort if his role was likely to make any real difference in overturning official verdict supported by some powerful factions of globalist lobbies) alone might not necessarily finish his political career immediately as CUFI aligned TX neoconish groups still have strong support from deep pockets. But chances are increasing of GOP rebirth during Joe-Kamala (incidentally once funded by Trump) era and after that moderate neocons like 'Lyin Ted', John Bolton or cuurent TX GOP head probably would have as much future in US politics as disgraced Bush-Cheney allies did after GOP base ditched them opportunistically after years of diehard support.

[danda]

The president re-tweeted today, calling out Rand Paul:

The #MarchForTrump bus rolls into Bowling Green today at 12 noon.

Senator
@RandPaul
, come join us & pledge to contest the electoral college for states in which we know there was voter fraud.

We welcome you, Senator.
#SaveAmerica #DoNotCertify #MillionMagaMarch #StopTheSteaI

https://twitter.com/AmyKremer/status...24133028601856

[Ender]

I was thinking that to and does not want to stymie his efforts working across party lines.

Headline could also be.

12 Senators who will be featured on the Trump news channel.
12 Senators securing future voters from Trump's base.

Nothing is going to happen other than a few speeches calling out voter fraud.

Agree- noticed that Mike Lee is not on the list, either- not to mention that Ted Cruz is not exactly popular with real liberty-lovers.

[RJB]

If there was fraud, there should be a challenge. If there wasn't fraud, there should not be a challenge. It's that simple.

[enhanced_deficit]

Agree- noticed that Mike Lee is not on the list, either- not to mention that Ted Cruz is not exactly popular with real liberty-lovers.

Turns out Mike Lee had taken the "backstabber" Netanyahu route and had already acknowledged Biden win:

Sen. Mike Lee acknowledges Joe Biden is president-elect


Close MAGA ally Lindsey Graham spent Christmas with Prez Trump and so far he's not joined Cruz led Senators team.

[Invisible Man]

If there was fraud, there should be a challenge. If there wasn't fraud, there should not be a challenge. It's that simple.

There's fraud in every election.

[RJB]

There's fraud in every election.

There are murders that take place every day.

There are also idiotic posts on RPFs every day.

Somethings are more important than others

[vita3]

17% of D’s are admitting this election wasn’t right.

Betcha numbers go up after Wednesdays evidence is presented in DC

[Anti Globalist]

17% of D’s are admitting this election wasn’t right.

Betcha numbers go up after Wednesdays evidence is presented in DC

I remember reading somewhere that 30% of Democrats think this election was stolen.

[Invisible Man]

There are murders that take place every day.

There are also idiotic posts on RPFs every day.

Somethings are more important than others

OK, so every election senators should object?

Apparently in 2016 there were objections from some Democrat House members, but not any senators. I didn't even know that happened until I learned of it a few days ago. So it apparently wasn't a big deal. Maybe this does happen for a lot of elections, and it usually doesn't matter to anyone. I don't really see the point though.

[r3volution 3.0]

Rand joining this farce in support of this most socialistic of GOP presidents would be a final and complete betrayal of the liberty movement.

...which, frankly, I was expecting; so I'm pleasantly surprised.

[Contumacious]

The problem isn't Rand, it's the RINOs in the Senate, because if the Senate does not reject the Electoral College
results from enough states to push Biden under 270, Biden wins. Every contested state will each get a vote upon certify or not
in the House and Senate on a one-by-one basis.

It is difficult to imagine Romney, Collins, Alexander, Sasse, Thune (who Trump unwittingly inflamed) consenting to invalidating
enough states to make this happen.

After that, it's only the lunatic fringe that claims Pence himself can refuse to validate the states. The 12th Amendment does not give the
VP that ability to decide on his own. His only role is to put it to the House per 12th rules if the House goes one way and the Senate another.

Pence could delay the procedure and ask for a period of further inspection and debate, but again, it reverts ultimately to the GOP acting
as a unit with full strength that is unlikely to happen.

The President of the Senate , VP Pence must exercise his EXCLUSIVE AUTHORITY pursuant to the 12A and reject the EC electors chosen by the treasonous/seditious demo rats.

F u c k the stupid sons of b i t c h e s who claim that being assertive means that one is a "lunatic"

In the former USSR and in Cuba rejecting socialism also meant that one is crazy hence psychiatry is a tool of the state.



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[r3volution 3.0]

The President of the Senate , VP Pence must exercise his EXCLUSIVE AUTHORITY pursuant to the 12A and reject the EC electors chosen by the treasonous/seditious demo rats.

F u c k the stupid sons of b i t c h e s who claim that being assertive means that one is a "lunatic"

In the former USSR and in Cuba rejecting socialism also meant that one is crazy hence psychiatry is a tool of the state.



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Here's then Vice President Joe Biden confirming Trump's 2016 victory without much ado.



I suppose you all would have had no objections if he'd set those electoral votes aside and declared Hillary the winner?

...because the Founders obviously intended for the VP to choose the next POTUS at his own discretion?

[Contumacious]

Here's then Vice President Joe Biden confirming Trump's 2016 victory without much ado.



I suppose you all would have had no objections if he'd set those electoral votes aside and declared Hillary the winner?

...because the Founders obviously intended for the VP to choose the next POTUS at his own discretion?

The 2016 election was not marred by a bold , in-your-face, gargantuan electoral FRAUD.



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[r3volution 3.0]

The 2016 election was not marred by a bold , in-your-face, gargantuan electoral FRAUD.



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Of course my horse, but it is your position that the VP has the power to decide whether that is in fact the case i.e. whether the election was fair or not, and so to decide which of the electoral votes to recognize - correct? And so VP Biden would have been within his rights to find that the 2016 election was not fair, not recognize certain electoral votes, and declare Hillary the winner - no? If not, who had the power to overrule him? If anyone, then that same person/entity must surely have the power to overrule Pence now...?

[vita3]

I remember reading somewhere that 30% of Democrats think this election was stolen.

30% after hearing would be about a post Christmas miracle