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  1. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Oh, yeah, I forgot the side-right-group-think:

    If Trump does something evil or anti-freedom, he's being forced; if any leftie does something evil or anti-freedom, he's a communist.
    Is he a scientist?

    Is he a career bureaucrat?

    Was it beneficial for him to tank the economy? Place 35,000,000 Americans in the unemployment lines? Force thousands of businesses into bankruptcy?


    Did his re-election campaign benefit from mail in ballots?

    Wherefore you ought to stop BS’ng go forth and sin no more.


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  3. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    Is he a scientist?

    Is he a career bureaucrat?

    Was it beneficial for him to tank the economy? Place 35,000,000 Americans in the unemployment lines? Force thousands of businesses into bankruptcy?


    Did his re-election campaign benefit from mail in ballots?

    Wherefore you ought to stop BS’ng go forth and sin no more.


    .
    No. He is a businessman. Who greased the democratic politicians hands. Which is exactly why tptb wanted him in office. Favors abound, when he leaves office. You did not read that “On the Record” yet.
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  4. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Oh, yeah, I forgot the side-right-group-think:

    If Trump does something evil or anti-freedom, he's being forced; if any leftie does something evil or anti-freedom, he's a communist.
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    No. He is a businessman. Who greased the democratic politicians hands. Which is exactly why tptb wanted him in office. Favors abound, when he leaves office. You did not read that “On the Record” yet.
    Wut?

    English please and plenty of links.

  5. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    Wut?

    English please and plenty of links.
    I provided 2 links. Refer to Post# 88 of this thread for one of them.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

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  6. #95
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Oh, yeah, I forgot the side-right-group-think:

    If Trump does something evil or anti-freedom, he's being forced; if any leftie does something evil or anti-freedom, he's a communist.
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    I provided 2 links. Refer to Post# 88 of this thread for one of them.
    Irrelevant hogwash

  7. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    Irrelevant hogwash
    It is On The Record and cannot be disputed.

    If you can provide any information that disproves any of that, please provide it here.

    That is the problem with commies and fascist. They are eager to enslave, but never take responsibility or credit.

    So, put up, or bail out. I provided proof:


    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-On-The-Record
    Last edited by PAF; 12-06-2020 at 09:46 PM.
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  9. #97
    I have to say no. Mostly because this entire virus pandemic is a hoax designed to shut down our businesses and use the virus as an excuse of why we need to let them tell us what to do, and pretty much murder our country in the process. Oh sorry, cant go to war right now, we have a cold. Said no defending army ever that survived.
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  10. #98
    Should businesses be allowed to require a covid vaccine?
    So many additional questions go along with that.

    Are they requiring this from employees or customers?
    The DMV has both employees and customers. Are they government or “business”?

    Can something be required of an employee or customer if it’s temporary, such as clothing? Can it be required while the employee or customer is not on the job or present at the business? Can something be required if it is permanent, like a tattoo? What if it is potentially permanent? Could a game of Russian roulette be required? Can something be required that is not possible for all people, such as a height or weight restriction?
    Last edited by Brian4Liberty; 12-07-2020 at 12:33 AM.
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  11. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    I repeat, it's not force. It's voluntary. Businesses can't force you to do anything. It's governments that use force.
    And it won't be "force" when the Mark of the Beast system starves you to death, they won't lay a hand on you.

    Why is it that we are about to see forced vaccination and you jump in to defend it after you jumped in to attack federal oversight of federal elections in the states right before the worst voter fraud in American history?

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  12. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Biden has no clue of what is going on from one day to the next. But that's irrelevant to the point I am making. Trump set the stage for the military distributed warp speed vaccine. He didn't just "say" it. He freaking funded it. It's already being distributed and Biden ain't even president yet. And yes, the mark is coming regardless, but it has nothing to do with whether or not a private business decides you can't come in the door without a vaccine. That's just a ridiculous twisting of the meaning of Revelation 13.
    LOL

    Trump had no choice, it was going to be funded with or without him but many ignorant voters would have voted against him and possibly given Biden a real win if he didn't go along with it.

    And the bible never says whether it will be businesses or the government that enforce the Mark.
    Trump is opposed to mandating the vaccine, libertarians are supporting it as long as the ruling class does it with their left hand and not their right hand.
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  13. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Anyone who actually understands the Bible will deny it is the mark (not sure why you capitalized it but anyway), unless it is enforced by the government because only governments can enforce death decrees. Even the Sanhedrin couldn't kill Jesus. They had to ask the Romans to do it. Quick refresher on the mark of the beast since you seem not to understand how it works.

    Revelation 13:15-17
    15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

    16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

    17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


    There is a death decree, again those can only be done by governments, along with a mark and an economic prohibition on those who don't take the mark. Kind of like the Jewish Star in WW II Germany but in reverse. Also the decree that you can't buy or sell requires government enforcement. Walmart can prevent me from going inside their store right now without a mask and later without a vaccine. But only government can prevent me from buying a lot across the street and advertising a "mask free / vaccine free" store.
    Obviously enforcement of the death decree by the government is not sufficient so an economic embargo is added, it doesn't matter which arm of the ruling class imposes it and allowing businesses to impose a precursor creates momentum for the future full implementation.


    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    That would be terrible. But that's not the biblical definition of the mark of the beast. That said, has your boy Trump advocated for sexual exploitation of female grocery store customers they way he as advocated military distribution of the warp speed vaccine? Oh...I forgot. He did say "grab em by the pu$$y." Question withdrawn.
    Did I say it was the Mark? NO, I said it was an example of an unconscionable contract.
    Trump had no choice about the vaccine program but he opposes mandating it.
    And that loudmouth comment about what women supposedly allow rich and famous guys to do has nothing to do with my point.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Edit: It's also illegal. (Vaccines are not illegal and your boy Trump pushed for this one and pushed to have THE MILITARY DISTRIBUTE IT). You have your concern backwards. Rather than worrying about whether or not Walmart will let you in without a vaccine, you should be concerned about Trump's blatant disregard for posse comitatus in stumping to have the military involved in civilian vaccine distribution.
    According to libertarians it should not be illegal, libertarians believe in legalized prostitution and they believe a business owner has a right to put any conditions he wants on any transaction.
    Requiring you to let someone inject things into your body SHOULD be illegal, that's my point that you are arguing against.
    And PC has nothing to do with helping to transport and make available vaccines, it prohibits (with exceptions) LAW ENFORCEMENT by the military and since Trump is not going to mandate the vaccine then there is no law enforcement involved.


    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    I agree. That's why I am against your boy Trump advocating for the military to distribute the vaccine. And your boy Trump is the one who rushed the vaccine. There is also no right for you to shop at Walmart.
    Just like I said, you will defend the Mark of the Beast if it is corporations enforcing it.
    Having the vaccine (if one does get approved) is not the problem, forcing millions of people to get it in order to earn a living or buy necessities is.


    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    When your boy Trump pushed for and funded the warp speed vaccine and then turned around and said the MILITARY will help distributed it THAT is when your "mark of the beast radar" should have kicked into high gear!
    LOL
    Trump is not the one advocating for people to be forced to get it in order to participate in the economy, you are.
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  14. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Trump had no choice about the vaccine program but he opposes mandating it.
    Back when I worked for Ross Perot, I remember Lee Iacocca's once famous words: Lead, Follow or Get Out Of The Way.

    Trump had no "choice" is BUNK. He is the president. Otherwise, why have a president at all.


    Ross Perot, Lee Iacocca, and PAF, would have told Trump "YOU'RE FIRED" and had security escort him out the back door.
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  15. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Danke View Post
    Link?
    uh , too late , you've been selected as a have not.

  16. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged View Post
    Should businesses be able to refuse admission, goods, and or services to people that have not been vaccinated?
    no need for that , everything is on line or curb side pickup already .



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  18. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    The Mark of the Beast will be enforced by world government decree. You don't have a constitutional right to a job and hence little if any recourse if you decide not to take a job on moral grounds. If a Muslim or a Jew signs up for a job at a meat packing plant there is a good chance that they will have to touch a dead pig for example. But the government should not force someone to touch a pig or eat it. That's why prisoners can request special diets. That said, it was Trump that pushed for the "warp speed" vaccine and it was Trump who said the military would deliver it. Why would the military need to deliver a "voluntary" vaccine?
    The military makes some sense to me for quickly delivering anything because they have all the logistics to do it already under a central command. I'll pass myself but we want Krugminator to get his as quickly as he can .

  19. #106
    I think a company should be able to enact whatever policies they want and I should be able to decline a job with a company that has policies I do not wish to comply with.

    I think the government will get involved though and will force all companies to comply with mandatory vaccines or be closed down.

  20. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Yes. But Trump was sent. By God.

    Or so the republicans tell me.
    superflu says obama , trump and biden were sent by God .I'm skeptical .

  21. #108
    Anyway , this thread was fun but I have a guy coming to buy a rooster and I need to split a rick of wood today .

  22. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Working Poor View Post
    I think a company should be able to enact whatever policies they want and I should be able to decline a job with a company that has policies I do not wish to comply with.

    I think the government will get involved though and will force all companies to comply with mandatory vaccines or be closed down.

    The definition of Fascism is: I think the government will get involved though and will force all companies to comply with mandatory vaccines or be closed down.
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  23. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    The definition of Fascism is: I think the government will get involved though and will force all companies to comply with mandatory vaccines or be closed down.
    You are preaching to the choir...

  24. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    uh , too late , you've been selected as a have not.

    I'm flying in vaccines to be distributed to POC first. So you should be seeing them soon on your reservation.
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  25. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Obviously enforcement of the death decree by the government is not sufficient so an economic embargo is added, it doesn't matter which arm of the ruling class imposes it and allowing businesses to impose a precursor creates momentum for the future full implementation.
    Businesses have always been allowed to "impose a precursor." The problem is when governments force businesses to "impose a precursor." Have you never seen a sign that says "No shoes, no shirt, no service?" Taking your argument to its ridiculous conclusion, wearing shoes and shirts are "the mark of the beast." And again YOU ARE SHILLING FOR THE MAN WHO HAS ACTUALLY SET THE MARK OF THE BEAST IN MOTION! Are you really that thick that you can't see that?

    Did I say it was the Mark? NO, I said it was an example of an unconscionable contract.
    Trump had no choice about the vaccine program but he opposes mandating it.
    Oh byllshyt! Absolute total byllshyt! Yes, not doing it would have hurt his election chances, but so did getting on national TV and talking injecting disinfectant. (And yeah, I saw the clip. I just freaking re-watched it because I know you'll say he was taken out of context. He wasn't.) His interview with Bob Woodward (why the fvck did he talk candidly to Bob Woodward of all people) where he said "I knew it was bad but didn't want to start a panic" hurt his election chances. And lastly THERE IS NO REASON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH THAT HE NEEDED TO SAY HE WOULD USE THE MILITARY TO DISTRIBUTE IT!

    And that loudmouth comment about what women supposedly allow rich and famous guys to do has nothing to do with my point.
    You don't really have a point.

    According to libertarians it should not be illegal, libertarians believe in legalized prostitution and they believe a business owner has a right to put any conditions he wants on any transaction.
    Requiring you to let someone inject things into your body SHOULD be illegal, that's my point that you are arguing against.
    Question. If your 91 year old mother was deathly afraid of COVID and she believed that in order for her to be safe not only should she wear a mask but anyone else coming in should also wear a mask, should she be able to require people coming into her home to wear a mask? Or do you think that people shouldn't have a right to restrict others from coming into their homes? Follow up question. Say if she started selling food plates from her home in order to supplement her social security. Should she then, because she ran a business, be forced to let anyone into her home, mask or no mask? Now before you say "We're not talking about masks. We're talking about vaccines." Understand that the principle is the same. Either you have a right to restrict access to your home or you don't. And before you say "Well with the vaccine she's protected (if it works) as long as she has taken it", remember that your punk ass boy Trump's vaccine is only 95% effective. (I'm calling him punk ass because YOU say he had not choice but to mandate that the military distribute a rushed vaccine.) So the 91 year old lady would still have a 5% chance of catching COVID if she came in contact with a COVID positive person. But if everybody else that she came in contact with also took the vaccine (again, assuming it works as your punk ass boy Trump has advertised) her chances of catching COVID 19 would be cut to 2.5% (maybe even less with herd immunity). So why should she not be allowed to do what she thinks is best to protect herself? You are selfishly only thinking about your rights and ignoring the right of the 91 year old grandmother selling food plates out of her home. And before you say "Oh she can restrict entry if it's her home but not if it's her business" there are people who buy businesses and live in the back. I knew a Chinese family that lived in the back of the gas station that they bought. And if you say "I am only talking about corporations", that is NOT the example that you gave of the small town with only one grocery store. I lived in such a small town. The grocery store was family owned. Family people ran it. You would put those people out of business if, right or wrong, they felt that the best way to protect 91 year old granny was to be vaccinated themselves and only be in close contact with other people who were vaccinated? Now if you want to only put restrictions on corporations that's one thing. Corporations are creations of the state and have submitted themselves to regulations for the benefit of protecting their personal assets from lawsuits against their business interest. But your typical "small town grocery store" has not been corporate owned. Corporations are moving into small towns now, but that is evidence that there is enough of a market that if the people in that town really wanted not to business with a store that required vaccines they could just not shop their. Seriously. You can shop on Amazon. (That doesn't even require you to wear a mask). You can drive to another town. You can grow your own food. You can set up your own store and make your own rules. You and your fellow townsfolk can hire someone to go to another town, buy everyone's groceries, and come back. There are so many non-governmental ways to punish a store that won't do what the majority of the people in the town want it to do. And before you say "Well say if the majority are okay with the vaccine requirement, what about those who aren't?" Ummmm....if the majority are okay with the vaccine then you will have the opposite problem of government mandating local business require vaccines.

    And PC has nothing to do with helping to transport and make available vaccines, it prohibits (with exceptions) LAW ENFORCEMENT by the military and since Trump is not going to mandate the vaccine then there is no law enforcement involved.
    LOL. You are shilling hard for your punk ass boi Trump. Why does the military need to transport and make available the vaccine? We have the greatest civilian logistics infrastructure in the history of the world. Walmart and other big corporations have no problem getting the flu vaccine distributed. Seriously, you are retarded if you are okay with the military being involved in this then you are with a 91 year old running a country store in the middle of podunk nowhere saying "Sorry....but if you want to risk my health by not being vaccinated you need to shop elsewhere."


    Just like I said, you will defend the Mark of the Beast if it is corporations enforcing it.
    Having the vaccine (if one does get approved) is not the problem, forcing millions of people to get it in order to earn a living or buy necessities is.
    Byllshyt. You are defending the mark of the beast (except you say its not necessarily the mark of the beast when its convenient) for the sake of your punk a$$ boi Trump. And I never said anything about corporations. You did.

    LOL
    Trump is not the one advocating for people to be forced to get it in order to participate in the economy, you are.
    Trump is advocating the military distribute it. That's only necessary if the ultimate plan is for it to be forced. You are a complete joke.
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  27. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    The military makes some sense to me for quickly delivering anything because they have all the logistics to do it already under a central command. I'll pass myself but we want Krugminator to get his as quickly as he can .
    I can get a Raspberry PI (an ARM/Linux based computer that's not available in U.S. stores) delivered to my home by this afternoon through Amazon if I want it. And when I ordered masks all the way from freaking China that just took a couple of weeks. Having everything under "one central command" means having one single point of failure. That's the problem with single payer healthcare. If you want military style logistics through civilian channels you can just use Walmart.

    https://www.dla.mil/AboutDLA/News/Ne...in-management/

    And ask yourself the question. The flu vaccine goes out every year without military involvement. So do all the other vaccines. Why should this be any different? That's the question that @Swordsmyth should be answering while he's going around shilling for his punk a$$ boi Trump's greasing the skids for this monstrosity while demanding that 91 year old grandmas running small countries stores in the middle of nowhere be forced to take what the feel is an extreme risk to their health in the name of "freedom" because he (SwordSmyth) doesn't have the balls to stand up to punk a$$ Trump.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 12-07-2020 at 11:02 AM.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  28. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt4Liberty View Post
    The only one confused is yourself. At this point you are calling for anarchy, because you are making the claim that any government regulation, even one protecting the individual is fascist. If you want anarchy more power to you. No system would be better than the globalist marxism that's currently being adopted. Just be honest with yourself.

    Employment isn't the same as the indentured servitude you claim it is, and it's going to get even worse as more and more small businesses are bankrupted by the government and these big corporations end up the only place to for employment. Unless you are fully self sufficient, enjoy your "liberty" as you will need to be needled to do anything. You can even scream it as they jab the needle deep inside you.
    You mention anarchy as a pejorative which shows you don't understand it. Under "anarchy" corporations don't exist. A corporation is an entity that goes to the state to get a special license to be able to protect personal assets from liabilities associated with the business. So, by definition, a corporation has already subjected itself to regulation. Now let's talk about a sole proprietorship. If some old lady with a compromised immune system decides to start selling food out her home should you be able to force your way into her home even if you refuse to take what she feels is reasonable steps to insure she's not at risk of infection? If she rents a building and starts selling food out of it, does her right go away then? If she buys a building, does her right go away? And if you are okay with the government taking away her right to autonomy simply because you want to force your business on her then where does it stop? The other thing you don't seem to understand is that there are ways to punish business that doesn't do things you way. @Madison320 is right in that the left understands this aspect of liberty better than you and @Swordsmyth does. I am pretty sure @PAF and @Working Poor get this as well. Look at the LGBTQ+ movement and Chik-Fil-A. They brought CFA to heel without passing any new legislation through a well publicized boycott that wasn't even economically successful. So if you're against businesses requiring vaccines boycott those businesses and get as much publicity as you can around your boycott. Of course that's going to be difficult with republicans like punk a$$ boy Trump shilling for the warp speed vaccine and advocating the military distribute it. But you will have more success with that then you will with trying to convince republicans to pass a law requiring businesses to allow Trump-Warp-Speed-Anti-Vaxxers to come into their store. Also punk a$$ boy Trump set the stage for this by going along with the shutdowns of the economy and even tweeting against the governor of Georgia for "opening up too quick." (Yeah...yeah...he had to do it. BECAUSE HE'S A PUNK!). This is how this will work. Business will continue to be shut down or forced to be at half capacity and the ones who go along with the military distributed Trump-Warp-Speed-Vaccine will be given the "freedom" to open up fully....if they enforce a vaccine mandate. THAT is fascism. Allowing 91 year old granny who happens to have the only grocery store, which she runs as a sole proprietorship, out in the middle of nowhere to make her own decisions as to how she wants to limit risks to her health is not fascism. It's freedom. And you have the freedom to set up a new store right next to hers that's open to everyone and take all the Trump-Warp-Speed-Anti-Vaxxer business.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 12-07-2020 at 09:56 AM.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  29. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    And it won't be "force" when the Mark of the Beast system starves you to death, they won't lay a hand on you.

    Why is it that we are about to see forced vaccination and you jump in to defend it after you jumped in to attack federal oversight of federal elections in the states right before the worst voter fraud in American history?

    Stop giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

    You lost me at "Mark of the Beast".

  30. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    So many additional questions go along with that.

    Are they requiring this from employees or customers?
    The DMV has both employees and customers. Are they government or “business”?

    Can something be required of an employee or customer if it’s temporary, such as clothing? Can it be required while the employee or customer is not on the job or present at the business? Can something be required if it is permanent, like a tattoo? What if it is potentially permanent? Could a game of Russian roulette be required? Can something be required that is not possible for all people, such as a height or weight restriction?
    Private businesses not government entities like the dmv.

    Yes all of those things could be required by a business in return for a paycheck. But whose going to volunteer to take a job to play russian roulette?

    The important point is that business owners are not "forcing" employees to do any of these things. It's voluntary. Only the government can force you to do those things.

  31. #117
    Every time I bitched about mega corps tyrannizing people and employees by mandating drug tests, banning guns, mandating exercise programs, trampling free speech rights, facilitating TSA tyranny or a million other ways Super Mega Hyper Corp Intl. can oppress a citizenry, I ended up being called a statist fool and that private corps can set whatever policies they damn well please, and it's up to me to find an alternative supplier/vendor/platform regardless of the fact that they have all adopted the same policy.

    The idea that big business can oppress you just as fast as big government seems to me to be a universal truth...one that could have been common ground to both left and right, at least until the left made it clear they are just interested in destruction.

    How are employer mandated vaccines any different?
    "Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid." - Valery Legasov

  32. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    You lost me at "Mark of the Beast".
    Why?
    Rejection out of hand?
    or Ignorance of the subject?
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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  33. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Every time I bitched about mega corps tyrannizing people and employees by mandating drug tests, banning guns, mandating exercise programs, trampling free speech rights, facilitating TSA tyranny or a million other ways Super Mega Hyper Corp Intl. can oppress a citizenry, I ended up being called a statist fool and that private corps can set whatever policies they damn well please, and it's up to me to find an alternative supplier/vendor/platform regardless of the fact that they have all adopted the same policy.

    The idea that big business can oppress you just as fast as big government seems to me to be a universal truth...one that could have been common ground to both left and right, at least until the left made it clear they are just interested in destruction.

    How are employer mandated vaccines any different?
    Because it is not a true Free-market system. The government either requires companies to to follow government dictate, or simply not permitted to exist. What is happening is a result of multi-lateral agreements, in this case, companies making contracts with the government, and because of corporation status, must abide by government stipulation.

    This, is Fascism.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

  34. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by Madison320 View Post
    Private businesses not government entities like the dmv.

    Yes all of those things could be required by a business in return for a paycheck. But whose going to volunteer to take a job to play russian roulette?

    The important point is that business owners are not "forcing" employees to do any of these things. It's voluntary. Only the government can force you to do those things.
    By “force” you must mean violence.

    If your employer says “you must join the Church of Satan, and you have to get on your knees every morning and bow to a statue in the front lobby and say hail Satan”. If you refuse and go to your desk anyway, they can call the Police, and then there might be violence. Or the business owner could use violence to eject you.
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    "Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
    "Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul

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