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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Education hasn't changed anything. Ideas don't change anything..... there has to be action behind them. Being a member of a book club doesn't make the government behave differently.
    "Education" has changed everything. The reason people are so dumbed down today is because of today's educational prisons.

    What people need is REAL education so that they can WAKE UP & get out of The Matrix. It only takes a small percentage of people who are REALLY educated to take down the enslavers & bring people into the Real World.
    There is no spoon.



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post

    I agree and disagree at the same time.

    There can be no reconciliation or education of roughly half the electorate that has made it clear over the last few years that they want me dead. That states clearly they want technocratic Marxist tyranny. That hate liberty and freedom and will kill you if you attempt to secure it.

    Retribution lists and open talk of forced political re-education facilities (camps) is a "you've crossed the line forever" deal breaker AFAIC. Anybody that, even in passing, considers that to be a solution to anything is a dangerous enemy to never be trusted and to be utterly crushed as soon as possible.

    Whatever is necessary...can't agree more with that...and what is needed now is steel resolve and zero capitulation.

    Separation is survival, not unity with Marxist bolsheviks and Jacobin terrorists.

    There is a time for all things...now is the time for hate, now is the time for war.
    Sorry but ^this is total horshyt and a major part of what is wrong with this country. About 5% of Trump voters want everybody on the left dead and about 5% of Biden voters want everybody on the right dead. The much bigger proportion of Trump voters falsely believes that its all the Biden voters that want them dead and a much bigger proportion of Biden voters think believes that all of the Trump voters want them dead. All of y'all are wrong as hell. "OMG! The Proud Boys are gonna come get us! Trump said stand down and stand by." Versus "OMG! Antifa and BLM are going to come get us. Kamala Harris said keep protesting after the election." Y'all are exact mirror images of each other and it's sad. Worse it's sickening. Once you realize that most of "them" are just as afraid of YOU as you are of "them" and that many of "them" voted out of fear of Trump just like you voted out of fear of Biden then it becomes painfully obvious how you and them are being manipulated.

    Edit: I wish I could just magically zap the 5% of murderous radicals on both sides off to their own "secret wars" planet where they could kill each other off and leave the rest of us alone.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.



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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    "Education" has changed everything. The reason people are so dumbed down today is because of today's educational prisons.

    What people need is REAL education so that they can WAKE UP & get out of The Matrix. It only takes a small percentage of people who are REALLY educated to take down the enslavers & bring people into the Real World.
    No, that's not how politics works at all. Education without action or activism accomplishes absolutely nothing.
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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Sorry but ^this is total horshyt and a major part of what is wrong with this country. About 5% of Trump voters want everybody on the left dead and about 5% of Biden voters want everybody on the right dead. The much bigger proportion of Trump voters falsely believes that its all the Biden voters that want them dead and a much bigger proportion of Biden voters think believes that all of the Trump voters want them dead. All of y'all are wrong as hell. "OMG! The Proud Boys are gonna come get us! Trump said stand down and stand by." Versus "OMG! Antifa and BLM are going to come get us. Kamala Harris said keep protesting after the election." Y'all are exact mirror images of each other and it's sad. Worse it's sickening. Once you realize that most of "them" are just as afraid of YOU as you are of "them" and that many of "them" voted out of fear of Trump just like you voted out of fear of Biden then it becomes painfully obvious how you and them are being manipulated.

    Edit: I wish I could just magically zap the 5% of murderous radicals on both sides off to their own "secret wars" planet where they could kill each other off and leave the rest of us alone.
    But who started it?

    I saw the trend start a couple of years before Obama was first elected. MSNBC and CNN started pushing racial strife. Everything that is part of the modern SJW, wokeism was being pushed. They created a white nationalist boogeyman, and pushed it daily.

    Many years later, you started to have an alt-right reaction by young people in internet backwaters who were tired of being constantly demonized.

    The “OMG! The Proud Boys are gonna come get us!” Was always a fairy tale. A propaganda creation, with the SPLC as the “expert witness”. A focus for those who push victimization on the masses for their own power and profit. Everyone is a victim of this “systemic racism”. And after enough demonization, the alt-right decided to troll them, but in the process, created “proof” of their existence.

    The “OMG! Antifa and BLM are going to come get us” was a reaction to the reality of Antifa and BLM rioting, burning, looting and attacking people. While their violence was incited by the deceptive propaganda that was spoon fed to them for years, it was real violence. It was not a paranoid delusion.

    So now where do you go when the intentional division created by the left establishment is in full swing? It was a great success. They have both sides pulled into their war, that they created, for their benefit. How do wars end?
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  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    "OMG! The Proud Boys are gonna come get us! Trump said stand down and stand by." Versus "OMG! Antifa and BLM are going to come get us. Kamala Harris said keep protesting after the election." Y'all are exact mirror images of each other and it's sad. Worse it's sickening. Once you realize that most of "them" are just as afraid of YOU as you are of "them" and that many of "them" voted out of fear of Trump just like you voted out of fear of Biden then it becomes painfully obvious how you and them are being manipulated.
    Equivocating Trump supporters concerned with Antifa antics with Biden supporters concerned with the Proud Boys is ludicrously fallacious as they are in no way similar groups. One group is burning things to the ground, isolating and beating Trump supporters, and the other is plainly not. The rhetoric coming from the two sides is not even similar. The assaults on Trump supporters have been going on since prior to the 2016 election and a great many people are afraid to wear a damned hat for fear of retaliation. In contrast, someone could wear a Biden hat and they will not get assaulted, lose their job, or have their car vandalized. The origin of the "fear" each side has is not the same.

  8. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Education hasn't changed anything. Ideas don't change anything..... there has to be action behind them. Being a member of a book club doesn't make the government behave differently.
    Quote Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty View Post
    Fair enough, but you gonna play defense forever?
    Can't speak for anyone else but I've been playing offense by spreading awareness of what they've been planning and how they execute those plans (to the best of one man's analytical ability, at least), often long before they even publicly announce their intentions. Once people slowly start to wake up and realize they're being manipulated and that most bigger picture events and narratives don't just happen randomly, the manipulation becomes much, much harder to pull off.

    Think of it this way: How amazing is a magician's magic trick if the audience already knows how the trick is performed when he does it?
    Last edited by devil21; 11-25-2020 at 12:40 PM.
    "Let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    The entire internet is the domain of paid shills and bots. If you don't know this by now....

    Israel, under control of the Crown and, ultimately, the Vatican, own the USA. If you don't know this by now....

    Talk to people about liberty. You won't find it on websites, you won't find it in politicians.

    But now you can't talk to people because of "social distancing"....brought to you by shills and politicians.

  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by BSWPaulsen View Post
    Equivocating Trump supporters concerned with Antifa antics with Biden supporters concerned with the Proud Boys is ludicrously fallacious as they are in no way similar groups. One group is burning things to the ground, isolating and beating Trump supporters, and the other is plainly not. The rhetoric coming from the two sides is not even similar. The assaults on Trump supporters have been going on since prior to the 2016 election and a great many people are afraid to wear a damned hat for fear of retaliation. In contrast, someone could wear a Biden hat and they will not get assaulted, lose their job, or have their car vandalized. The origin of the "fear" each side has is not the same.
    Your bullshyt opinion. The Governor Whitmere plot had a$$holes from the left and the right in on it. Some where "anarchists." Some were "Watchmen Wolverine militia." They planned to have public executions of politicians they disagreed with. An alternative plan was to burn down the entire statehouse. Ignore the facts all you want. I don't fvcking care at this point.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    But who started it?

    I saw the trend start a couple of years before Obama was first elected. MSNBC and CNN started pushing racial strife. Everything that is part of the modern SJW, wokeism was being pushed. They created a white nationalist boogeyman, and pushed it daily.

    Many years later, you started to have an alt-right reaction by young people in internet backwaters who were tired of being constantly demonized.

    The “OMG! The Proud Boys are gonna come get us!” Was always a fairy tale. A propaganda creation, with the SPLC as the “expert witness”. A focus for those who push victimization on the masses for their own power and profit. Everyone is a victim of this “systemic racism”. And after enough demonization, the alt-right decided to troll them, but in the process, created “proof” of their existence.

    The “OMG! Antifa and BLM are going to come get us” was a reaction to the reality of Antifa and BLM rioting, burning, looting and attacking people. While their violence was incited by the deceptive propaganda that was spoon fed to them for years, it was real violence. It was not a paranoid delusion.

    So now where do you go when the intentional division created by the left establishment is in full swing? It was a great success. They have both sides pulled into their war, that they created, for their benefit. How do wars end?
    Read this before you replay.

    https://www.fox23.com/news/trending/...JRAIPC4DSF4CY/
    GRINNELL, Iowa — Iowa authorities have arrested four people in connection with the death of Michael Williams, the Black man whose body was found burning in a ditch near Kellogg on Sept. 16.

    The 44-year-old Grinnell man’s death was ruled a homicide by the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation, and KCCI reported the following arrests and charges on Tuesday:

    • Steven Vogel, 31, is charged with first-degree murder and one count of abuse of a corpse.

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    • Julia Cox, 55, is charged with abuse of a corpse, destruction of evidence and accessory after the fact.

    • Roy Garner, 57, is charged with abuse of a corpse, destruction of evidence and accessory after the fact.

    • Cody Johnson, 29, is charged with abuse of a corpse, destruction of evidence and accessory after the fact.

    Vogel is currently being held in the Marshall County Jail, where he was already incarcerated on other charges, while the other three defendants are being held in the Poweshiek County Jail, the TV station reported.

    Special Agent Adam DeCamp with the Iowa Department of Public Safety said during a news conference that all four suspects knew and socialized with Williams. Although a motive has not yet been determined, race is not believed to be a factor.


    DeCamp also said evidence suggests that Williams died by strangulation on Sept. 12, and that his body was wrapped in cloth, plastic and carpet, then wrapped in duct tape before his body was transported in a truck to rural Kellogg on Sept. 16 and set ablaze, KCCI reported.

    A native of Syracuse, New York, Williams had lived in Grinnell for about 12 years and worked at a few fast food restaurants, but worsening diabetes recently left him unemployed, his aunt, Paula Terrell, told the Des Moines Register.

    “All we wanted was for him to come home. Now we have to bring him home in the worst possible state,” Terrell told the newspaper.

    “We will fight for justice. This is our family’s mission, no matter what — we will fight for his legacy to be remembered as who he was: A loving, kind, gentle giant who loved his family, who loved his children,” she added.


    Edit: If you don't believe there are a$$holes on both sides who have been itching for a fight then you are just naive. Sorry but you are. Who drew Antifa out into the light? Why it was the Tiki Torch neo Nazi, KKK a$$holes at the "Unite The Right" rally. Yeah antifa was around but most people hadn't heard of them. I sure as hell did not. These a$$hole groups need each other. They feed off each other. And because you keep yourself safe inside your echo chamber you don't know that what you are doing is exactly being mirrored on the left. The a$$hole groups on the left are being excused by leftist as "not as bad as the others who are really the trouble makers." You had that a$$hole Trump caravan riding around in Portland shooting paintballs and spraying pepper spray until one of them got killed. Had the roles been reversed and those had been Biden supporters shooting paintballs and spraying pepper spray some people here would have called that "justifiable homicide."
    Last edited by jmdrake; 11-25-2020 at 07:08 PM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    "Education" has changed everything. The reason people are so dumbed down today is because of today's educational prisons.

    What people need is REAL education so that they can WAKE UP & get out of The Matrix. It only takes a small percentage of people who are REALLY educated to take down the enslavers & bring people into the Real World.
    We can debate education and philosophy all we like, it is irrelevant. The Billionaire elites will decide what philosophies are mainstream that the people will accept on either side. They will play those sides so in the the long run the end result for them is the same.

    People will never know or accept that as the truth since these same elites control education, news media and entertainment propaganda. If people start to understand that the elites will call it a conspiracy theory and ensure it is only discussed by the likes of Alex Jones which further solidifies it as only a conspiracy theory.

    The only thing that could save us is the people understanding this is ensuring these elites and their surrogates at all levels no longer have a voice or power in national politics. Strip them of their wealth and eliminate their ability to promote their propaganda at all levels. That however is highly unlikely since the elites will infiltrate any movement, will just pay people off and/or use government to destroy them.
    Last edited by kahless; 11-25-2020 at 07:32 PM.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Your bullshyt opinion. The Governor Whitmere plot had a$$holes from the left and the right in on it. Some where "anarchists." Some were "Watchmen Wolverine militia." They planned to have public executions of politicians they disagreed with. An alternative plan was to burn down the entire statehouse. Ignore the facts all you want. I don't fvcking care at this point.
    The plot targeting Michigan's governor has nothing at all to do with Antifa and the Proud Boys not being even remotely similar in ideology or, more importantly, deed. One group vandalizes businesses, burns buildings, and assaults the other side with the sanction of Democrat DAs. The other does not.

    I understand your personal philosophy creates a need to equivocate the left and right, but it does not change the fact it is fallacious.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by BSWPaulsen View Post
    The plot targeting Michigan's governor has nothing at all to do with Antifa and the Proud Boys not being even remotely similar in ideology or, more importantly, deed. One group vandalizes businesses, burns buildings, and assaults the other side with the sanction of Democrat DAs. The other does not.

    I understand your personal philosophy creates a need to equivocate the left and right, but it does not change the fact it is fallacious.
    It's got nothing to do with my "personal philosophy" and everything to do with my personal knowledge. I know good people and a$$holes on both sides. Antifa made their big debut after the "tiki torch" neo Nazi rally. One side burns people in ditches (the far right) which is worse than burning buildings.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    It's got nothing to do with my "personal philosophy" and everything to do with my personal knowledge. I know good people and a$$holes on both sides. Antifa made their big debut after the "tiki torch" neo Nazi rally. One side burns people in ditches (the far right) which is worse than burning buildings.
    Let's not pretend nobody died in Antifa's burned buildings. Setting that aside, your earlier attempt to equivocate Antifa with the Proud Boys remains nonsense. Furthermore, the article you cited did not recognize a motive and dismissed race as a consideration. Even if we assume the murderers were "far right" (evidence beyond your cited article is required to support this), it falls well short of the numbers of black-on-white homicide (which nobody considers politically aligned, just as white-on-black homicide should not be). Color me unimpressed with your argument, especially since ethnic violence typically falls outside of the left/right paradigm.

    The sides are not equivalent and the number of people perpetuating violence from each side is not equivalent.
    Last edited by BSWPaulsen; 11-26-2020 at 05:23 AM.

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by BSWPaulsen View Post
    Let's not pretend nobody died in Antifa's burned buildings.
    Source?

    Setting that aside, your earlier attempt to equivocate Antifa with the Proud Boys remains nonsense.
    Neither are as dangerous as dimwits like you pretend them to be.

    Typical antifa dweeb.



    And it was a 3 percenter (another RIGHT WING dweeb group) that set the fire to the Nashville Courthouse while the "black lives matter" protests were go



    And a "boogaloo boi" (another RIGHT WING dweeb group), set the fire to the Minneapolis police precinct and fired multiple shots into it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...g-george-floyd

    So let's not pretend all the fires blamed on antifa were actually started by antifa.

    Edit: And I don't give a fvck about the Proud Boys. That's simply the nom de guerre the media is currently using. Most folks have no clue about all of the groups on the right just like most folks have no clue about all the groups on the left and just lump everything right now as "antifa." The fear mongering is just stupid.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 11-26-2020 at 05:34 AM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post

    Edit: If you don't believe there are a$$holes on both sides who have been itching for a fight then you are just naive. Sorry but you are. Who drew Antifa out into the light? Why it was the Tiki Torch neo Nazi, KKK a$$holes at the "Unite The Right" rally.
    I believe there are a$sholes on one side. The leftist Antifa/BLM who are made to seem sensible and normal, 'peaceful protestors' by the media establishment, and then the leftist Tiki Torch neo Nazi KKK a$sholes who get planted by the left to make the right seem like bloodthirsty violent irrational people, which the media WILL NOT hesitate to associate with the right. As a general rule of thumb, whatever the media says, believe the opposite.

    In reality, a blind man can see how one-sided it is. The vast majority of conservatives have been PAINFULLY tolerant of the antics of the left, even as the mainstream media goes through great lengths to provide cover for them.

    Just take a step back and consider that even as the legal dispute of the results underway, even as conservatives think logically about the forensic statistics of this election outcome, with the strong suspicion that fraud played a huge role against them in the election:

    NOT ONE city has erupted in chaos. NOT ONE college campus has been burned. NOT ONE elderly person has been stuck in traffic while the mob surrounds and vandalizes their vehicle. All of the maturity points on the scoreboard are going to the right, while the left has, without ceasing, for the last 4 years, acted like a toddler in the checkout aisle who was told to put the candy back on the shelf.

    It's really amazing to see, because the more the right tries to keep their cool, the more the left runs a narrative making them seem like a bunch of hotheads. Here we are, at a time when the founders would have long since taken up arms against this monstrous leviathan of a media/government/education complex, and all I can see is that the conservatives have shown remarkable, unwavering restraint. Like anti-Federalist points out, that may not be a winning strategy to remain calm while the other side gets to get away with painting whatever picture they want. Apparently even people here on RPF, where it SHOULD BE a default position to be skeptical of whatever picture the media paints, folks are buying it.

    I say all that to say that, if S does eventually HTF, there will be no doubt in my mind that the right did everything they possibly could to avoid it.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 11-26-2020 at 07:43 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Elliot's The Hollow Men

    Some of you still watch the news, and it shows.

  18. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I've seen this semi-fake news posted before.

    Garrison was banned, unjustly, because of cartoons like this: where hacked images in his style were assigned his name.
    Looks like real news:



    Cartoonist Behind ‘Blatantly Antisemitic’ Image disinvited from White House
    July 10, 2019
    Cartoonist Ben Garrison has been disinvited from the White House Social Media Summit according to Politico Playbook.
    algemeiner.com/2019/07/08/fury-as-cartoonist-behind-blatantly-antisemitic-image-receives-invite-to-white-house-social-media-summit/

  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Source?
    https://www.startribune.com/body-fou...est/571838681/

    Neither are as dangerous as dimwits like you pretend them to be.
    It's like you try to be as ignorant as possible. This goes all the way back to the bike-lock professor. Unless, of course, hitting people in the head with bike locks is normal to you. The left has been much more violent than the right for the entire duration of Trump's presidency. The amount of violent crime coming from the right is dwarfed by what Antifa alone has achieved.

    Typical antifa dweeb.
    Humans can use weapons. They don't need to be imposing physical specimens or uniquely intelligent. In numbers, they are dangerous regardless of their appearance.

    And it was a 3 percenter (another RIGHT WING dweeb group) that set the fire to the Nashville Courthouse while the "black lives matter" protests were go

    And a "boogaloo boi" (another RIGHT WING dweeb group), set the fire to the Minneapolis police precinct and fired multiple shots into it.
    Slow clap. You found two examples of the right doing something. Earth shattering.

    And completely irrelevant to my point. My point is not that you cannot find any individuals on the right being violent, my point is that the left does a hell of a lot more than the right.

    So let's not pretend all the fires blamed on antifa were actually started by antifa.
    The vast majority were started by Antifa. The right is simply not as violent as your fevered mental masturbation wants it to be.

  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    There can be no reconciliation or education of roughly half the electorate that has made it clear over the last few years that they want me dead. That states clearly they want technocratic Marxist tyranny. That hate liberty and freedom and will kill you if you attempt to secure it.
    I have an alternative explanation:


    There are people who make a lot of money by convincing you that the above is true.
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    Yes, indeed , we will never be able to prove fraud.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    I believe there are a$sholes on one side. The leftist Antifa/BLM who are made to seem sensible and normal, 'peaceful protestors' by the media establishment, and then the leftist Tiki Torch neo Nazi KKK a$sholes who get planted by the left to make the right seem like bloodthirsty violent irrational people, which the media WILL NOT hesitate to associate with the right. As a general rule of thumb, whatever the media says, believe the opposite.

    In reality, a blind man can see how one-sided it is. The vast majority of conservatives have been PAINFULLY tolerant of the antics of the left, even as the mainstream media goes through great lengths to provide cover for them.

    Just take a step back and consider that even as the legal dispute of the results underway, even as conservatives think logically about the forensic statistics of this election outcome, with the strong suspicion that fraud played a huge role against them in the election:

    NOT ONE city has erupted in chaos. NOT ONE college campus has been burned. NOT ONE elderly person has been stuck in traffic while the mob surrounds and vandalizes their vehicle. All of the maturity points on the scoreboard are going to the right, while the left has, without ceasing, for the last 4 years, acted like a toddler in the checkout aisle who was told to put the candy back on the shelf.

    It's really amazing to see, because the more the right tries to keep their cool, the more the left runs a narrative making them seem like a bunch of hotheads. Here we are, at a time when the founders would have long since taken up arms against this monstrous leviathan of a media/government/education complex, and all I can see is that the conservatives have shown remarkable, unwavering restraint. Like anti-Federalist points out, that may not be a winning strategy to remain calm while the other side gets to get away with painting whatever picture they want. Apparently even people here on RPF, where it SHOULD BE a default position to be skeptical of whatever picture the media paints, folks are buying it.

    I say all that to say that, if S does eventually HTF, there will be no doubt in my mind that the right did everything they possibly could to avoid it.
    Indeed.

    We have been injured, we have been disenfranchised yet we have not yet broken into a WalMart to loot and steal.


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    .DON'T TAX ME BRO!!!

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    "It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    This whole mess is nothing but kabuki theatre- everyone believes whatever TPTB throw to them & they keep fighting each other instead of the enslavers.
    This reminds me of Anthony Hopkins' Professor Van Helsing from Bram Stoker's Dracula: "Hear me out, young man. Lucy is not a random victim, attacked by mere accident, you understand? No. She is a willing recruit, a breathless follower, a wanton follower. I dare say, a devoted disciple. She is the Devil's concubine!"

    The existence of "TPTB" does not preclude individual agency; even if these people are manipulated they are still willing participants.
    "I shall bring justice to Westeros. Every man shall reap what he has sown, from the highest lord to the lowest gutter rat. They have made my kingdom bleed, and I do not forget that."
    -Stannis Baratheon

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by BSWPaulsen View Post
    https://www.startribune.com/body-fou...est/571838681/



    It's like you try to be as ignorant as possible. This goes all the way back to the bike-lock professor. Unless, of course, hitting people in the head with bike locks is normal to you. The left has been much more violent than the right for the entire duration of Trump's presidency. The amount of violent crime coming from the right is dwarfed by what Antifa alone has achieved.



    Humans can use weapons. They don't need to be imposing physical specimens or uniquely intelligent. In numbers, they are dangerous regardless of their appearance.



    Slow clap. You found two examples of the right doing something. Earth shattering.

    And completely irrelevant to my point. My point is not that you cannot find any individuals on the right being violent, my point is that the left does a hell of a lot more than the right.



    The vast majority were started by Antifa. The right is simply not as violent as your fevered mental masturbation wants it to be.
    There are FAR MORE CASES OF ALT-RIGHT ARSON than just those two! I mention the Michigan Police department because that's the first and most widely cited case of arson associated with the BLM protests and I mention Nashville because I live there. But an alt-right dweeb started the California wildfires (how many people died in THAT?) and there are a lot of other cases if you have the honesty to look for them.

    https://googlethatforyou.com?q=alt-right%20arson

    Ignore the facts if you want to. You've been blinded by the corporate media. Antifa is controlled opposition. The alt-right is controlled opposition. There were even reports of BLM protesters early on calling out Fed infiltrators and pointing out the truckloads of brick pallets being dropped off.
    Last edited by jmdrake; 11-27-2020 at 07:18 AM.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    I believe there are a$sholes on one side. The leftist Antifa/BLM who are made to seem sensible and normal, 'peaceful protestors' by the media establishment, and then the leftist Tiki Torch neo Nazi KKK a$sholes who get planted by the left to make the right seem like bloodthirsty violent irrational people, which the media WILL NOT hesitate to associate with the right. As a general rule of thumb, whatever the media says, believe the opposite.

    In reality, a blind man can see how one-sided it is. The vast majority of conservatives have been PAINFULLY tolerant of the antics of the left, even as the mainstream media goes through great lengths to provide cover for them.

    Just take a step back and consider that even as the legal dispute of the results underway, even as conservatives think logically about the forensic statistics of this election outcome, with the strong suspicion that fraud played a huge role against them in the election:

    NOT ONE city has erupted in chaos. NOT ONE college campus has been burned. NOT ONE elderly person has been stuck in traffic while the mob surrounds and vandalizes their vehicle. All of the maturity points on the scoreboard are going to the right, while the left has, without ceasing, for the last 4 years, acted like a toddler in the checkout aisle who was told to put the candy back on the shelf.

    It's really amazing to see, because the more the right tries to keep their cool, the more the left runs a narrative making them seem like a bunch of hotheads. Here we are, at a time when the founders would have long since taken up arms against this monstrous leviathan of a media/government/education complex, and all I can see is that the conservatives have shown remarkable, unwavering restraint. Like anti-Federalist points out, that may not be a winning strategy to remain calm while the other side gets to get away with painting whatever picture they want. Apparently even people here on RPF, where it SHOULD BE a default position to be skeptical of whatever picture the media paints, folks are buying it.

    I say all that to say that, if S does eventually HTF, there will be no doubt in my mind that the right did everything they possibly could to avoid it.
    There is something that you are missing. National Socialists (Nazis) are still socialists. That was true all the way back to the 1930s and Adolf Hitler. Hitler took power in part as a result of his faction of socialists (the Nazis) fighting the other faction of socialists (the communists or the international socialists). The Nazis and the Communists did actually hate each other. After forming a non-aggression pact, Hitler and Stalin eventually went to war with each other. First Hitler came to the aid of Finland in the "Winter War" then he invaded Russia directly. And all of these groups are ultimately manipulated by the not at all "liberal" banksters who have no intention of redistribution of wealth to anyone but themselves. So no. Neo Nazis don't have to be "planted" to make conservatives look bad. They're just doing what they naturally do. But I agree with you that they aren't conservatives.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm View Post
    This reminds me of Anthony Hopkins' Professor Van Helsing from Bram Stoker's Dracula: "Hear me out, young man. Lucy is not a random victim, attacked by mere accident, you understand? No. She is a willing recruit, a breathless follower, a wanton follower. I dare say, a devoted disciple. She is the Devil's concubine!"

    The existence of "TPTB" does not preclude individual agency; even if these people are manipulated they are still willing participants.
    Of course there is individual agency on both sides. What TPTB do is get inflame the passions of those who are peaceful on the right and the left by getting us to paint everybody on the other side with the same "they are violent and want to kill me" brush while downplaying violence coming from people who associate with our side.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Of course there is individual agency on both sides. What TPTB do is get inflame the passions of those who are peaceful on the right and the left by getting us to paint everybody on the other side with the same "they are violent and want to kill me" brush while downplaying violence coming from people who associate with our side.
    EXACTLY!

    I've been saying this since forever- very apparent now for anyone who actually "looks".
    There is no spoon.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    There is something that you are missing. National Socialists (Nazis) are still socialists. That was true all the way back to the 1930s and Adolf Hitler. Hitler took power in part as a result of his faction of socialists (the Nazis) fighting the other faction of socialists (the communists or the international socialists). The Nazis and the Communists did actually hate each other. After forming a non-aggression pact, Hitler and Stalin eventually went to war with each other. First Hitler came to the aid of Finland in the "Winter War" then he invaded Russia directly. And all of these groups are ultimately manipulated by the not at all "liberal" banksters who have no intention of redistribution of wealth to anyone but themselves. So no. Neo Nazis don't have to be "planted" to make conservatives look bad. They're just doing what they naturally do. But I agree with you that they aren't conservatives.
    We need to gravitate beyond using the false keywords that are the presented forms of identification and expression.
    You seem to have firm belief that, somehow, classical liberalism is conservatism. That is not a historical fact.

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    There are FAR MORE CASES OF ALT-RIGHT ARSON than just those two! I mention the Michigan Police department because that's the first and most widely cited case of arson associated with the BLM protests and I mention Nashville because I live there. But an alt-right dweeb started the California wildfires (how many people died in THAT?) and there are a lot of other cases if you have the honesty to look for them.
    Antifa was also tied to West Coast arson. That aside, why in the hell are you focused exclusively on arson? The left is more violent by several orders of magnitude. Violence from the right falls well short of the violence that has come from the left. Damn near everyone in this thread has pointed this out to you, but you'll be damned if you can engage your brain enough to focus on details.

    Ignore the facts if you want to. You've been blinded by the corporate media. Antifa is controlled opposition. The alt-right is controlled opposition. There were even reports of BLM protesters early on calling out Fed infiltrators and pointing out the truckloads of brick pallets being dropped off.
    Not everything is controlled opposition. Stereotypically lazy Libertarian thinking. Furthermore, the alt-right does not have the numbers or political support to give them parity with Antifa. If the alt-right did half the things Antifa did, then they would be in prison en masse.
    Last edited by BSWPaulsen; 11-27-2020 at 01:07 PM.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Ender View Post
    Please Accept the Fact That Regardless of Outcomes,
    Elections Change Nothing!

    By Gary D. Barnett

    November 20, 2020


    “Is ours a government of the people, by the people, for the people, or a kakistocracy rather, for the benefit of knaves at the cost of fools?”

    ~ Thomas Love Peacock

    The first part of the above quote ...
    To the O.P...

    Writing articles about how elections change nothing, changes less things than elections.
    When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble?
    When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it? Amos 3:6



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    There is something that you are missing. National Socialists (Nazis) are still socialists. That was true all the way back to the 1930s and Adolf Hitler. Hitler took power in part as a result of his faction of socialists (the Nazis) fighting the other faction of socialists (the communists or the international socialists). The Nazis and the Communists did actually hate each other. After forming a non-aggression pact, Hitler and Stalin eventually went to war with each other. First Hitler came to the aid of Finland in the "Winter War" then he invaded Russia directly. And all of these groups are ultimately manipulated by the not at all "liberal" banksters who have no intention of redistribution of wealth to anyone but themselves. So no. Neo Nazis don't have to be "planted" to make conservatives look bad. They're just doing what they naturally do. But I agree with you that they aren't conservatives.
    Again I think you just need to step back because you aren't seeing the whole picture. Consider that no one in politics on the right is trying to see how they can benefit politically from alt-right violence. More often than not they will come right out and condemn it.

    That is not the case on the left. For example, Mayor K. Bottoms in Atlanta intentionally let the mob run amok on University Blvd for weeks because she wanted to be Biden's VP pick and her name was being tossed around. All we heard from her was more of the BS "they're just peaceful protestors" until an 8-year-old black girl was shot to death in her mother's car because they pulled into the wrong parking lot. Only then did the mayor decide it was politically expedient to run the mob off. The media of course, paid little coverage to it. Her father came out and outright denounced BLM and you'd best believe that never got mentioned on the MSM. She's not the only democrat politician in the USA who sought to gain from letting the mob run wild.

    Let's weigh it:

    The left has education on a lock, media on a lock (92% of all media coverage during the last four years was unfavorable for Trump), leftist politicians seeking to benefit from literal mob rule, the left has the alphabet agencies spying on/harassing political opposition, leftist corrupt counties that will unprecedentedly STOP counting ballots on election night until they come up with the numbers they need, leftist Wall Street Woke Street, leftist woke sports leagues, leftist fact-checking information filters, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, all working in conjunction to push a candidate who can't even deliver a coherent Thanksgiving address without making up words that don't exist, who shouldn't have had a snowball's chance in hell of making it out of the primaries, much less winning a general election against a candidate who was busting his ass campaigning doing 4-5 rallies per day at the end, and you guys honestly don't see who the bigger threat is?

    The right has what? A few youtube channels? Breitbart? A few paleo-conservatives posting on RPF? I mean, I don't know what to tell you. It looks pretty one-sided to me, but I canceled my cable TV back in 2012 so y'all gonna have to keep me up to date on what I'm supposed to be thinking.
    Last edited by nobody's_hero; 11-27-2020 at 03:00 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Elliot's The Hollow Men

    Some of you still watch the news, and it shows.

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by BSWPaulsen View Post
    Antifa was also tied to West Coast arson.
    I never said they weren't.

    That aside, why in the hell are you focused exclusively on arson?
    YOU were the one that brought up arson.

    The left is more violent by several orders of magnitude. Violence from the right falls well short of the violence that has come from the left. Damn near everyone in this thread has pointed this out to you, but you'll be damned if you can engage your brain enough to focus on details.
    And so your proof that you are right is that your echo chamber agrees with you? You are proving my point in spades.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    YOU were the one that brought up arson.
    I also repeatedly brought up violence.

    And so your proof that you are right is that your echo chamber agrees with you? You are proving my point in spades.
    My echo chamber? Must be more of that controlled opposition at work.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by nobody's_hero View Post
    Again I think you just need to step back because you aren't seeing the whole picture. Consider that no one in politics on the right is trying to see how they can benefit politically from alt-right violence. More often than not they will come right out and condemn it.
    Mmmmm......let me step back. Nope. I am pretty sure I am seeing it right. I have just come to a different conclusion than you. Probably because I don't spend all my time in one echo chamber. The alt-right are participating in the alt-left violence. And then politicians from the left and the right say "Vote for me to end the violence."

    That is not the case on the left. For example, Mayor K. Bottoms in Atlanta intentionally let the mob run amok on University Blvd for weeks because she wanted to be Biden's VP pick and her name was being tossed around.
    More like she was embarrassed after Atlanta cops manhandled a Morehouse and Spellman student who weren't doing anything but trying to drive home.



    But hey, the echo chamber is now psychic and knows exactly why Keisha Bottoms did what she did. Clearly mishandling riots is the way to get the attention of Joe "arrest all the predators and throw away the key" Biden.

    All we heard from her was more of the BS "they're just peaceful protestors" until an 8-year-old black girl was shot to death in her mother's car because they pulled into the wrong parking lot.
    It only took a dozen or so "Watchmen Wolverine" militia in a nutty plot to kidnap and murder (excuse me "try for treason and execute") Governor Whitmer to taint all of the gun wielding protesters who a couple of months before were protesting the COVID 19 lockdown. As I said. Jacka$$es on both sides.

    Only then did the mayor decide it was politically expedient to run the mob off. The media of course, paid little coverage to it. Her father came out and outright denounced BLM and you'd best believe that never got mentioned on the MSM. She's not the only democrat politician in the USA who sought to gain from letting the mob run wild.

    Let's weigh it:

    The left has education on a lock, media on a lock (92% of all media coverage during the last four years was unfavorable for Trump), leftist politicians seeking to benefit from literal mob rule, the left has the alphabet agencies spying on/harassing political opposition, leftist corrupt counties that will unprecedentedly STOP counting ballots on election night until they come up with the numbers they need, leftist Wall Street Woke Street, leftist woke sports leagues, leftist fact-checking information filters, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, all working in conjunction to push a candidate who can't even deliver a coherent Thanksgiving address without making up words that don't exist, who shouldn't have had a snowball's chance in hell of making it out of the primaries, much less winning a general election against a candidate who was busting his ass campaigning doing 4-5 rallies per day at the end, and you guys honestly don't see who the bigger threat is?

    The right has what? A few youtube channels? Breitbart? A few paleo-conservatives posting on RPF? I mean, I don't know what to tell you. It looks pretty one-sided to me, but I canceled my cable TV back in 2012 so y'all gonna have to keep me up to date on what I'm supposed to be thinking.
    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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