FNC’s Carlson: If Powell Has Proof Votes Were Changed, We Want to See Details

[TheCount]

Damn, I'm sorry that you can't see what that way of thinking is doing to you. (I'm also sorry that you seem to have no clue as to where that way of thinking leads a society.)

What, being skeptical? I don't think that skepticism is a bad thing for a person or a society.

You literally said in this thread, "There's no evidence... well, there is.... But I'm not pushing the lie."

No, I didn't.

I started out by going point-by-point through your concerns, didn't I?

But that's beside the whole point - You don't even want them to make their case - you've judged it entirely before you've seen anything.

They are making their case. They have chosen to make their case in the court of public opinion, for whatever reason. (It's grift and because they're losing in actual courts.)

And everything you do see, you try to make fit your prejudgment. And why??!!! You still haven't answered. If you think they will lose, them let them have their day without trying to pollute the jury pool - in this case, the American people. Because you are so anointed to know better than the people who will be examine each piece of evidence on its merits?

It's that conceited mentality that is the hallmark of your chosen climate of opinion. And I'm FAR more concerned about the climate of opinion in your circles than I am about which sleazy politician gets to hold an office. That climate of opinion is shutting down the world and destroying wealth at an incredible rate! That climate of opinion dehumanizes people who don't agree - or at least acquiesce. And if I have reached this conclusion, you can certainly see why there are so many Trump voters. They aren't hateful, angry xenophobes; For the most part, they're people who would rather think for themselves than have your elitist club tell them how dumb they are.

You probably need to take some humility pills and come back.

Am I allowed to come to my own opinion as to the merits of their case, or not? Who is shutting things down here, you or me?


My posts on an internet forum have nothing to do with whether or not they're going to be able to file their lawsuits, nor whether or not they succeed. You say that I need some humility pills, but speak as though what I do or say actually matters. I have no such illusions.

[TheCount]

Wrong. His opinion is about Dominion software in general based on his first hand experience in Texas. That's the purpose of his affidavit. It would be totally admissible as evidence in a lawsuit about what happened in Michigan. Ms. Powell stated in her press conference that the Dominion voting systems had been disallowed in Texas. This is the proof of that point.

Both his assertion of the facts and his assumption as to what actually occurred are factually incorrect.

He said if X, then Y. But X was not the case. Therefore Y is not the case.

[jmdrake]

Both his assertion of the facts and his assumption as to what actually occurred are factually incorrect.

He said if X, then Y. But X was not the case. Therefore Y is not the case.

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it but your opinion is wrong in this case.

[TheCount]

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it but your opinion is wrong in this case.

Okay.


Will you change your mind after either the campaign drops the allegations related to that from their lawsuit, or else the lawsuit is dismissed?

[jmdrake]

Okay.


Will you change your mind after either the campaign drops the allegations related to that from their lawsuit, or else the lawsuit is dismissed?

About whether or not that affidavit represents competent evidence? Nope. Just because a lawsuit gets dropped or dismissed doesn't mean all witnesses that were party to that lawsuit were not credible. But I tell you what. If this affidavit gets disallowed then I'll grant you an honorary law degree.

[CaptUSA]

You literally said in this thread, "There's no evidence... well, there is.... But I'm not pushing the lie." That's literally pushing the lie.

No, I didn't.

...earlier in TheCount's day...

If they or you had any evidence, they'd be showing it and you'd be posting it.

Is it evidence?

I know you don't like the evidence, but that's not the question nor your statement.

I assume that you are talking about affadavits being evidence. Yes, they are.

...are affidavits evidence? Yes.

I don't push the lie.

Damned Jello.

[CaptUSA]

Am I allowed to come to my own opinion as to the merits of their case, or not? Who is shutting things down here, you or me?

The problem is that you don't have enough information to have an opinion - none of us do. Which is why we withhold judgment until all the evidence is presented. This whole election was an experiment and for some reason, the left wants no examination of whether or not the experiment worked. They (and you) have already made they judgment so they want to pollute the jury. That's shameful.

And if you can be honest with yourself, you're only seeing it that way because you got the result you wanted. If it were the other way around, you'd be using their same arguments to suggest the evidence was valid and needed to be explored and investigated. You'd want an answer about the turnout numbers. You'd want to question the "glitches" and the "clerical errors". And you'd want a real investigation - not a media that is trying to pollute the climate with their opinions about the veracity of evidence before they've even seen it.

My position would not change. It would be, let's see how much evidence you can get and let it be presented and judged by the proper bodies. It's the only way any President will have any credibility.

[TheCount]

The problem is that you don't have enough information to have an opinion - none of us do.

If statistical analysis of raw data is enough to cast doubt on the election, then why can't statistical analysis of the win rate of past Trump campaign lawsuits be used to cast doubt on the chance of success of future Trump campaign lawsuits?

And if you can be honest with yourself, you're only seeing it that way because you got the result you wanted.

I don't support any bull$#@! conspiracy theories, regardless of their political leanings.

[donnay]

[Anti Federalist]

It's not about a victory lap. I just plain don't understand why people are falling for lie after lie after lie after lie. Failed prediction after failed prediction. I don't get it.

I gave an example of a past belief in a promise - an unrealistic, irrational promise - because I see it as similar in nature to the things that are being promised right now. It's not to make anyone feel bad or stupid... it's because I don't want them to get sucked back in to that same cycle of irrational trust and belief.

Because the consequences of a loss, and the ramifications further down the road of that loss, are so great, that folks are grasping at any chance there might be to reverse that loss.

Maybe Powell legitimately has something here...I have no idea.

But it's not outside of the realm of reasonable for a talk show host to demand something more substantive than an overheated press conference, when you are claiming to have concrete proof of a massive crime.

[RJB]

I hope I am wrong. Sydney Powell sounds legit, but I remember the fascination CNN and MSNBC had for Michael Avenatti. That may sound like an unfair comparison, but Avenatti fans didn't know that he would turn out like that. Then even if she has all the evidence in the world, can she win in their courts?

I don't mean to sound like a downer, but I feel like I have seen this before. The only difference is that more people have an emotional investment in this.

[donnay]

Sidney Powell: 'Biblical' Lawsuit Coming, Accuses Ga. Gov. Kemp of Deal With Dominion

By Eric Mack | Saturday, 21 November 2020 09:15 PM

Levying explosive claims of widespread voter fraud specifically tied to Dominion Voting Systems and potentially a pay-for-play scheme with GOP Gov. Brian Kemp, Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell on Newsmax TV vowed to deliver a "biblical" voter fraud case this week.

"We've got tons of evidence; it's so much, it's hard to pull it all together," Powell told Saturday night's "The Count" co-hosted by Rob Schmitt and Mark Halperin, teasing the explosive allegation of the Georgia governor in a contested and key battleground state.

"Hopefully this week we will get it ready to file, and it will be biblical."

"It's a massive project to pull this fraud claim together with the evidence that I want to put in," she added.

"You name the manner of fraud and it occurred in Georgia."

Among the most explosive claims alluded to by Powell were:

Levying explosive claims of widespread voter fraud specifically tied to Dominion Voting Systems and potentially a pay-for-play scheme with GOP Gov. Brian Kemp, Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell on Newsmax TV vowed to deliver a "biblical" voter fraud case this week.

"We've got tons of evidence; it's so much, it's hard to pull it all together," Powell told Saturday night's "The Count" co-hosted by Rob Schmitt and Mark Halperin, teasing the explosive allegation of the Georgia governor in a contested and key battleground state.

"Hopefully this week we will get it ready to file, and it will be biblical."

"It's a massive project to pull this fraud claim together with the evidence that I want to put in," she added.

"You name the manner of fraud and it occurred in Georgia."

Among the most explosive claims alluded to by Powell were:


Joe Biden votes being "weighted" at 1.25 times and President Donald Trump votes being parsed at 3/4.
Algorithms that gave Democrats 35,000 extra votes.
Modifications made to voting machines after statuatory cutoff dates for changes.
Past election victories, including Hillary Clinton's primary victory over Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., being forced decided by Dominion Voting Systems.
Alleged pay-for-play kick backs to public officials, potentially even Georgia GOP Gov. Kemp for a late grant to use Dominion Voting Systems.
"George [sic] is probably going to be the first state I'm gonna blow up," Powell said rhetorically with her pending lawsuits alleging massive voter fraud.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/s.../21/id/998181/

[donnay]

I hope I am wrong. Sydney Powell sounds legit, but I remember the fascination CNN and MSNBC had for Michael Avenatti. That may sound like an unfair comparison, but Avenatti fans didn't know that he would turn out like that. Then even if she has all the evidence in the world, can she win in their courts?

I don't mean to sound like a downer, but I feel like I have seen this before. The only difference is that more people have an emotional investment in this.

I understand people becoming jaded because of years and years of lies and deception-- I get it. However, my spidey sense, discernment,or whatever you want to call it ensures me that Sydney Powell is the REAL DEAL.

General Flynn was railroaded and had the worst attorneys at the beginning. Sydney stepped up, when no one else would and got much of the truth out about General Flynn's miscarriage of justice. She has shined a light on the criminals when no one else would.

[donnay]

[AUDIO] Lin Wood says he’s seen Sidney Powell’s Dominion evidence and it is SOLID
https://therightscoop.com/audio-lin-...d-it-is-solid/

[RJB]

I understand people becoming jaded because of years and years of lies and deception-- I get it. However, my spidey sense, discernment,or whatever you want to call it ensures me that Sydney Powell is the REAL DEAL.

General Flynn was railroaded and had the worst attorneys at the beginning. Sydney stepped up, when no one else would and got much of the truth out about General Flynn's miscarriage of justice. She has shined a light on the criminals when no one else would.

I agree. I sense something is turning, but it also reminds me of the buzz with Avenatti. He kept promising to drop bombs. We shall truly see in a few weeks.

[donnay]

I agree. I sense something is turning, but it also reminds me of the buzz with Avenatti. He kept promising to drop bombs. We shall truly see in a few weeks.

At the time Avenatti was being paraded out to be a hero, I knew, instinctively, he was a snake. The great and powerful Porn Lawyer who tried to extort money out of people like a mafioso crime boss--that proved to be correct.

ETA: Don't lose faith because that is the very thing that helps us discern better.

[donnay]

[AUDIO] Lin Wood says he’s seen Sidney Powell’s Dominion evidence and it is SOLID
https://therightscoop.com/audio-lin-...d-it-is-solid/

“Every Lie Will Be Revealed – They’re Going to be Shocked at Level of Pedophilia – Satanic Worship” – Lin Wood Does Not Hold Back in EXPLOSIVE “Thrive Time” Interview (VIDEO)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...terview-video/

[RJB]

At the time Avenatti was being paraded out to be a hero, I knew, instinctively, he was a snake.

No. He is a lawyer. Big difference.

ETA: Don't lose faith because that is the very thing that helps us discern better.

. I have great faith in God and his plan. I have no faith in people, but I do have hope. God bless.

[Krugminator2]

I hope I am wrong. Sydney Powell sounds legit, but I remember the fascination CNN and MSNBC had for Michael Avenatti. That may sound like an unfair comparison, but Avenatti fans didn't know that he would turn out like that. Then even if she has all the evidence in the world, can she win in their courts?

I don't mean to sound like a downer, but I feel like I have seen this before. The only difference is that more people have an emotional investment in this.

There's nothing there. This is probably some combination of Trump being a TV showman because he is likely going to be involved in rebranding Newsmax; muddying the waters for if he gets prosecuted after he leaves office because he can point to the election that was "stolen" from him and rouse sympathy; a way to raise money because his campaign is a zillion dollars in debt. The fundraising emails for his recount have a disclaimer saying at least 50% of every donation goes to pay off campaign debt.

I understand people want to believe. I wish Trump won. But he didn't win. He wasn't even that close. If there were an actual conspiracy theory if would have to involve hundreds if not thousands of people from different states. Conspiracies that big can't exist. Someone would have proof and say something. There is no proof with this.

[Mordan]

There's nothing there. This is probably some combination of Trump being a TV showman because he is likely going to be involved in rebranding Newsmax; muddying the waters for if he gets prosecuted after he leaves office because he can point to the election that was "stolen" from him and rouse sympathy; a way to raise money because his campaign is a zillion dollars in debt. The fundraising emails for his recount have a disclaimer saying at least 50% of every donation goes to pay off campaign debt.

I understand people want to believe. I wish Trump won. But he didn't win. He wasn't even that close. If there were an actual conspiracy theory if would have to involve hundreds if not thousands of people from different states. Conspiracies that big can't exist. Someone would have proof and say something. There is no proof with this.

I would agree with that if elections were not using mail ins and machine counting.

its very easy to cheat with this current system in some states. And easy to buy your silence, with money, emotional gratifications and/or threats.

They only need a few weeks of silence.

[Sonny Tufts]

General Flynn was railroaded

Pray tell, who held the gun to his head and forced him to admit his guilt in open court?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...nn#post6946456

[kahless]

Evidence the controlled opposition Biden friend chose to ignore to fool his brainwashed sheep viewers.

https://hereistheevidence.com/

[sparebulb]

Pray tell, who held the gun to his head and forced him to admit his guilt in open court?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...nn#post6946456

Unfortunately, I agree with this.

Confessing to a lie to lessen your load is not the pinnacle of high character.

He's no hero.

Maybe not a bad guy, but no hero.

[Contumacious]

There's nothing there. This is probably some combination of Trump being a TV showman because he is likely going to be involved in rebranding Newsmax; muddying the waters for if he gets prosecuted after he leaves office because he can point to the election that was "stolen" from him and rouse sympathy; a way to raise money because his campaign is a zillion dollars in debt. The fundraising emails for his recount have a disclaimer saying at least 50% of every donation goes to pay off campaign debt.

I understand people want to believe. I wish Trump won. But he didn't win. He wasn't even that close. If there were an actual conspiracy theory if would have to involve hundreds if not thousands of people from different states. Conspiracies that big can't exist. Someone would have proof and say something. There is no proof with this.

I believe you are a TheCount clone.

I am supporting his Election Defense Fund. I get the emaiils and NONE of them state at least 50% of every donation goes to pay off campaign debt.

As for how easy it is to deceive Americans and concoct an Election Fraud scheme let Paul Craig Roberts explain it to you:


America’s Color Revolution

By Paul Craig Roberts

I have provided evidence that the military/security complex, using the media and the Democrats, intends to turn the November election into a color revolution here, here and here. The CIA is very experienced at color revolutions, having pulled them off in a number of countries where the existing government did not suit the CIA. As we have known since CIA Director John Brennan’s denunciations of President Trump, Trump doesn’t suit the CIA either. As far as the CIA is concerned, Trump is no different from Hugo Chavez, Nicolas Maduro, Charles de Gaulle, Manuel Zelaya, Evo Morales, Viktor Yanukovych, and a large number of others.

_________________

Like stealing candy from a baby.


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[Krugminator2]

I believe you are a TheCount clone.

I am supporting his Election Defense Fund. I get the emaiils and NONE of them state at least 50% of every donation goes to pay off campaign debt.

As for how easy it is to deceive Americans and concoct an Election Fraud scheme let Paul Craig Roberts explain it to you:


America’s Color Revolution

By Paul Craig Roberts

I have provided evidence that the military/security complex, using the media and the Democrats, intends to turn the November election into a color revolution here, here and here. The CIA is very experienced at color revolutions, having pulled them off in a number of countries where the existing government did not suit the CIA. As we have known since CIA Director John Brennan’s denunciations of President Trump, Trump doesn’t suit the CIA either. As far as the CIA is concerned, Trump is no different from Hugo Chavez, Nicolas Maduro, Charles de Gaulle, Manuel Zelaya, Evo Morales, Viktor Yanukovych, and a large number of others.

_________________

Like stealing candy from a baby.


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I could not think of a worse use of resources.

I am not sure who I should believe. USA Today and The Wall Street Journal or the guy citing crackpot Paul Craig Roberts. Hard choice.

But a disclaimer on the website states that 50% of any donation will go toward the campaign's general election debt retirement and the other half toward the campaign's recount account, the Wall Street Journal first reported.

A separate fundraising effort by the "Trump Make America Great Again Committee" states that 60% of contributions will go toward campaign debt while 40% goes to the RNC.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ys/6202250002/

[Contumacious]

I could not think of a worse use of resources.

I am not sure who I should believe. USA Today and The Wall Street Journal or the guy citing crackpot Paul Craig Roberts. Hard choice.




https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ys/6202250002/

A real debater , who is not a TheCount clone , would have no problem asserting FACTS demonstrating that Paul Craig Roberts is wrong . You couldn't. Like I have told TheCount find a thread about basketweaving or b u l l s h i t wherein you can shine.

You are a useless piece of s h i t

Dismissed.

[Krugminator2]

A real debater , who is not a TheCount clone , would have no problem asserting FACTS demonstrating that Paul Craig Roberts is wrong . You couldn't. Like I have told TheCount find a thread about basketweaving or b u l l s h i t wherein you can shine.

You are a useless piece of s h i t

Dismissed.

Incentives matter. People have an incentive whistle blow in massive conspiracies and journalists have an incentive to uncover facts. That's why conspiracies are not a secret for long if they actually existed. The problem is conspiracy theorists (like you) are basically socialists who doesn't believe in basic economics and who don't believe markets work.

I would no more consider Paul Craig Roberts' view than I would a flat Earther or Holocaust denier's view. He has long ago stopped being even a remotely serious person.

[Contumacious]

Incentives matter. People have an incentive whistle blow in massive conspiracies and journalists have an incentive to uncover facts. That's why conspiracies are not a secret for long if they actually existed. The problem is conspiracy theorists (like you) are basically socialists who doesn't believe in basic economics and who don't believe markets work.

I would no more consider Paul Craig Roberts' view than I would a flat Earther or Holocaust denier's view. He has long ago stopped being even a remotely serious person.

You are digging your hole deeper.


The term "conspiracy theory" was coined in LaLaLand because in that jurisdiction critical thinking has been criminalized because they are being governed by angels.

ALL investigations are initially a "conspiracy theory" until facts are marshall and evidence gathered.

The only ones who object are those who are conflicted by interest.

[TheCount]

A real debater , who is not a TheCount clone , would have no problem asserting FACTS demonstrating that Paul Craig Roberts is wrong . You couldn't. Like I have told TheCount find a thread about basketweaving or b u l l s h i t wherein you can shine.

You are a useless piece of s h i t

Dismissed.

Your claim that money isn't being siphoned away from election defense seems to have mysteriously disappeared between one post and the next.

[Krugminator2]

I hope I am wrong. Sydney Powell sounds legit, but I remember the fascination CNN and MSNBC had for Michael Avenatti. That may sound like an unfair comparison, but Avenatti fans didn't know that he would turn out like that. Then even if she has all the evidence in the world, can she win in their courts?

I don't mean to sound like a downer, but I feel like I have seen this before. The only difference is that more people have an emotional investment in this.