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    I tell you today I feel like going way of Winston at the end of 1984

    Just have to vent, with more restrictions, obvious voter fraud just like in 2012 primaries (and I’m not even a supporter of Trump), COVID, etc. I kinda feel like we are spinning our wheels and Big Brother is just too big to overcome. Should I let 2+2=5?
    Last edited by KEEF; 11-16-2020 at 08:00 PM.



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    We need more people to support Trump.

    Trump doesn't have perfect libertarian principles, but he is currently the biggest threat to the deep state.

    Look at the Governor Whitmer "kidnap" incident recently. There is no proof that any of the people in the "militia" supported Trump, they were all libertarians or anarchists who did NOT support Trump, and some of whom went to BLM protests.

    If libertarians and anarchists were the biggest threat, the media would have smeared them as libertarians and anarchists. But instead they smeared them as Trump supporters, which is not even true. That is because Trump is their biggest threat currently.


    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    dannno votes, 2+2=5. Seems to work for him.

    He already has the hots for Big Brother in the worst way.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 11-16-2020 at 05:30 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by DamianTV View Post
    Define Terrorist please.

    According to, well, pretty much both political parties, the other party is now guilty of Terrorism.
    Listening to the mainstream media is like standing under a power line when the birds are migrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KEEF View Post
    Just have to vent, with more restrictions, obvious voter fraud just like in 2012 primaries (and I’m not even a supporter of Trump), COVID, etc. I kinda feel like we are spinning our wheels and Bog Brother is just too big to overcome. Should I let 2+2=5?
    You just have to stay in there and stay the course . Keep doing what is best for you and yours .

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    We need more people to support Trump.

    Trump doesn't have perfect libertarian principles, but he is currently the biggest threat to the deep state.


    Donald Trump On The Record

    @KEEF, I would suggest not to support trump. I made the analogy in another thread:

    2 Gangs live among my community; LeftXgang and RightYgang.

    They both claim to offer protection/perks and constantly urge for my support. Many people in the community belong to one or the other, but I and a few others do not. The people who belong to either gang insist that I must join because those are the two choices in my community.

    I and a few others ignore the 2 gangs and do business among ourselves. We help each other with removing a fallen tree, a wiring job for an additional room or house, mechanical help with our cars, and trade/sell food that we grow/raise in our gardens/farms.

    Every once in a while, somebody in the community sees and understands what we are doing, and decides to quit the gang they belonged to and now do business with us.

    There are some things that are inescapable, but over time as our numbers grow we can ignore those things altogether.

    Yes, I know all about Red Pill versus Blue Pill. When freedom/liberty come from within and are actually practiced every day, no pills are ever needed. With no pills at all, that is an added savings.

    Oh, and we never need to pay strangers [politicians] to act as a "third party" to get in the way of personal/private contracts.

    An Agorist Primer

    The state will continue grow with or without your "help". It is best not to play/perpetuate it, and instead promote individual liberty, not nationalism-communism. Ron Paul has said politics is not the answer, reaching the hearts and minds of the American people is.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    2 Gangs live among my community; LeftXgang and RightYgang.
    Trump is not a gang, nor is he in a gang. The deep state is a gang. Trump is just a simple Patriot who happens to be a billionaire.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Trump is not a gang, nor is he in a gang. The deep state is a gang. Trump is just a simple Patriot who happens to be a billionaire.
    Trump indeed talks bad about the "deep state" - hip hip hooray!!! But in that dark, back alley, he continues to slip Bill Gates-tied companies Billions (aren't we up to Trillions yet) of tax payer dollars, hires Gates-tied stooges, and medical is now being nationalized. And let us not forget the other On The Record that you continuously ignore.

    Bark up somebody else's tree who doesn't read The Records.

    BTW, the "deep state" is NOT a secret operation or secret group of people. The deep state simply is - "Follow the Money". Try it sometime. It is easy to do, and it really works.
    “The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.”

    An Agorist Primer

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    You just have to stay in there and stay the course . Keep doing what is best for you and yours .
    Seconded.
    XNN
    "They sell us the president the same way they sell us our clothes and our cars. They sell us every thing from youth to religion the same time they sell us our wars. I want to know who the men in the shadows are. I want to hear somebody asking them why. They can be counted on to tell us who our enemies are but theyre never the ones to fight or to die." - Jackson Browne Lives In The Balance



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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Trump indeed talks bad about the "deep state" - hip hip hooray!!! But in that dark, back alley, he continues to slip Bill Gates-tied companies Billions (aren't we up to Trillions yet) of tax payer dollars, hires Gates-tied stooges, and medical is now being nationalized. And let us not forget the other On The Record that you continuously ignore.

    Bark up somebody else's tree who doesn't read The Records.

    BTW, the "deep state" is NOT a secret operation or secret group of people. The deep state simply is - "Follow the Money". Try it sometime. It is easy to do, and it really works.
    First part of your theory is wrong because Trump is not doing anything that the other side wouldn't be doing anyway, he just has to do some things to hold onto his office, because he has the entire deep state working against him. If he did only what was best for the country, he would be run out office very quickly and not get anything done.

    The last part is just laughable.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    dannno votes, 2+2=5. Seems to work for him.

    He already has the hots for Big Brother in the worst way.
    So Winston is being sent to Room 101 to completely break his will. The Party does not just need him to obey -- they need him to actually believe in the Party and to love Big Brother with all his heart. They need agreement, not just obedience.
    Secession Now.[/SIZE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by KEEF View Post
    Just have to vent, with more restrictions, obvious voter fraud just like in 2012 primaries (and I’m not even a supporter of Trump), COVID, etc. I kinda feel like we are spinning our wheels and Bog Brother is just too big to overcome. Should I let 2+2=5?
    Secession Now.[/SIZE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAF View Post
    Donald Trump On The Record

    @KEEF, I would suggest not to support trump. I made the analogy in another thread:




    The state will continue grow with or without your "help". It is best not to play/perpetuate it, and instead promote individual liberty, not nationalism-communism. Ron Paul has said politics is not the answer, reaching the hearts and minds of the American people is.
    Oh still never intend on supporting Trump. Just curious why getting emotionally invested into fighting what seems to be an un-winnable fight. Maybe it because I just got done reading 1984 again.

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    Winston Smith was brutally tortured before he became totally demoralized at the end of 1984. Until they frogmarch you to the Ministry of Truth in the dead of night, don't give up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauls' Revere View Post
    So Winston is being sent to Room 101 to completely break his will. The Party does not just need him to obey -- they need him to actually believe in the Party and to love Big Brother with all his heart. They need agreement, not just obedience.
    And I guess that is what is the most taxing part, is because I know what the Party is doing and nothing gets done. Just gotta take care of my own and bury my head in the sand

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    No offense, but the book 1984 kind of sucked. I've read the book twice and watched that terrible movie with John Hurt. I'm so tired of people trying to make 1984 references. Look at me look how smart I am.

    Another thing why haven't the moderators moved this thread to the vent sub forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtr1979 View Post
    No offense, but the book 1984 kind of sucked. I've read the book twice and watched that terrible movie with John Hurt. I'm so tired of people trying to make 1984 references. Look at me look how smart I am.

    Another thing why haven't the moderators moved this thread to the vent sub forum?
    Well, explain how it sucked and why.

    I'm genuinely curious.
    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment. - C. S. Lewis



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    Quote Originally Posted by KEEF View Post
    Just have to vent, with more restrictions, obvious voter fraud just like in 2012 primaries (and I’m not even a supporter of Trump), COVID, etc. I kinda feel like we are spinning our wheels and Big Brother is just too big to overcome. Should I let 2+2=5?
    I have a different perspective

    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by KEEF View Post
    Just have to vent, with more restrictions, obvious voter fraud just like in 2012 primaries (and I’m not even a supporter of Trump), COVID, etc. I kinda feel like we are spinning our wheels and Big Brother is just too big to overcome. Should I let 2+2=5?
    I think it's 6 now.
    "The Patriarch"

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    Momma said there'd be days like this there'd be days like this my momma said.
    "It's probably the biggest hoax since Big Foot!" - Mitt Romney 1-16-2012 SC Debate

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    in before tfurrh puts in a Shirelles song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtr1979 View Post
    No offense, but the book 1984 kind of sucked. I've read the book twice and watched that terrible movie with John Hurt. I'm so tired of people trying to make 1984 references. Look at me look how smart I am.

    Another thing why haven't the moderators moved this thread to the vent sub forum?
    "The Patriarch"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mtr1979 View Post
    No offense, but the book 1984 kind of sucked. I've read the book twice and watched that terrible movie with John Hurt. I'm so tired of people trying to make 1984 references. Look at me look how smart I am.

    Another thing why haven't the moderators moved this thread to the vent sub forum?
    Well, explain how it sucked and why.

    I'm genuinely curious.
    It didn't suck. Neither did Animal Farm. Neither did anything else Orwell wrote (essays, fiction, etc.).

    Anyone tired of Orwell references is just gonna have to find a way to cope, 'coz they ain't gonna stop coming, and rightly so - Orwell was a pathologist of socialistic ideology par excellence.


    Frédéric Bastiat (1801-1850)

    • "When law and morality are in contradiction to each other, the citizen finds himself in the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense, or of losing his respect for the law." - The Law (p. 54)
    • "Government is that great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." - Government (p. 99)
    • "[W]ar is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many."
      - Economic Sophisms - Second Series (p. 312)
    • "There are two principles that can never be reconciled - Liberty and Constraint."
      - Harmonies of Political Economy - Book One (p. 447)

    · tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito ·
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtr1979 View Post
    I'm so tired of people trying to make 1984 references. Look at me look how smart I am.

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    Follow Trump on Facebook.

    Its the biggest reliable news source.

    This guy is a true gritty fighter. I love his mojo and spirit.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordan View Post
    Follow Trump on Facebook.

    Its the biggest reliable news source.

    This guy is a true gritty fighter. I love his mojo and spirit.

    I think I'll pass. Sweet offer, though.

    He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

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    I confess. I was puzzled at the title of this thread, and could only think:


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    Quote Originally Posted by KEEF View Post
    Just have to vent, with more restrictions, obvious voter fraud just like in 2012 primaries (and I’m not even a supporter of Trump), COVID, etc. I kinda feel like we are spinning our wheels and Big Brother is just too big to overcome. Should I let 2+2=5?
    Thought more about what you posted:


    Watch what you think, "2+2=4".
    Watch what you do, "Keep your hands at 10 & 2".
    Watch what you say, "Everything is awesome" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cQgQIMlwWw
    Secession Now.[/SIZE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by KEEF View Post
    And I guess that is what is the most taxing part, is because I know what the Party is doing and nothing gets done. Just gotta take care of my own and bury my head in the sand
    Remember comrade,

    2+2=4.
    hands at 10 & 2.
    Everything is awesome.

    Do your 20 and retire somewhere warm. Big Brother loves you.
    Secession Now.[/SIZE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Well, explain how it sucked and why.

    I'm genuinely curious.


    It didn't suck I just said that see the Orwell fanboys reaction. With that said I never plan on reading the book or listening to the audiobook ever again. I'm not a fan of fiction, I don't like reading about people being tortured, and the overall tone of the book is depressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtr1979 View Post
    It didn't suck I just said that see the Orwell fanboys reaction. With that said I never plan on reading the book or listening to the audiobook ever again. I'm not a fan of fiction, I don't like reading about people being tortured, and the overall tone of the book is depressing.
    Stay away from Kurt Vonnegut Slaughterhouse Five .

    but I'm not sure it is fiction
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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