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    Trump campaign jettisons major parts of its legal challenge against Pennsylvania’s election

    President Donald Trump’s campaign on Sunday scrapped a major part of its federal lawsuit challenging the election results in Pennsylvania.

    Trump's attorneys filed a revised version of the lawsuit, removing allegations that election officials violated the Trump campaign's constitutional rights by limiting the ability of their observers to watch votes being counted.

    Trump and Rudy Giuliani, his personal attorney, have said repeatedly that more than 600,000 votes in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh should be invalidated because of this issue.

    Trump's pared-down lawsuit now focuses on allegations that Republicans were illegally disadvantaged because some Democratic-leaning counties allowed voters to fix errors on their mail ballots. Counties have said this affected only a small number of votes.

    Cliff Levine, an attorney representing the Democratic Party in the case, said on Sunday evening that Trump's move meant his lawsuit could not possibly change the result.

    "Now you're only talking about a handful of ballots," said Levine. "They would have absolutely no impact on the total count or on Joe Biden's win over Donald Trump."

    Kathy Boockvar, Pennsylvania's Democratic secretary of state, submitted a court filing in response to the Trump campaign's actions reiterating her request for the judge to dismiss the lawsuit.

    The shift comes amid a string of losses in the Trump campaign's post-election legal effort, which claimed without evidence that voter fraud, irregularities and rule-breaking led to President-elect Joe Biden's victory. Taken together, the flurry of post-election litigation has affirmed the integrity of the election: many of the complaints have been tossed, and not a single vote has been invalidated.

    The Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment Sunday evening. Earlier in the day, Trump suggested that his legal challenges to the election results would continue to come.

    "Many of the court cases being filed all over the Country are not ours, but rather those of people that have seen horrible abuses," he said in a tweet. "Our big cases showing the unconstitutionality of the 2020 Election, & the outrage of things that were done to change the outcome, will soon be filed!"

    But even as the campaign continued filing appeals in other Pennsylvania cases on Sunday night, the withdrawal of one of its most aggressive claims curtails a central part of its effort to fend off the certification of the vote in the state.

    The revised filing came on a day when Trump reiterated his intention not to concede the election to Biden, moments after seeming to acknowledge the results of the Nov. 3 election. Biden won the popular vote and was projected the winner of the race, having received 306 electoral college votes to Trump's 232. States are still certifying the results.
    https://www.inquirer.com/politics/el...-20201115.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    Yes, indeed , we will never be able to prove fraud.



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    This can only mean that they are sure they will win based on even better arguments, like ALL mail in ballots being invalid because the state supreme court violated the law in allowing them to be received after election day and the law specifies that if they are allowed after election day then all mail in ballots are invalid.
    Or the evidence of voting machine fraud or the fact that invalid ballots were mixed in with valid ballots in Demoncrat cities which makes the entire batch invalid.
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    strange..

    probably because they don't want to be bogged down to the semantics squabble of the meaning of 'observe' .. is being 30 feets away observing if you can't check mail ins signatures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    This can only mean that they are sure they will win based on even better arguments, like ALL mail in ballots being invalid because the state supreme court violated the law in allowing them to be received after election day and the law specifies that if they are allowed after election day then all mail in ballots are invalid.
    Can you please cite the PA law that would invalidate the mail-in ballots that were received before the polls closed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    This can only mean that they are sure they will win based on even better arguments, like ALL mail in ballots being invalid because the state supreme court violated the law in allowing them to be received after election day and the law specifies that if they are allowed after election day then all mail in ballots are invalid.
    Or the evidence of voting machine fraud or the fact that invalid ballots were mixed in with valid ballots in Demoncrat cities which makes the entire batch invalid.
    Hear hear! Out of reps....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    Can you please cite the PA law that would invalidate the mail-in ballots that were received before the polls closed?

    Two Biden voters right here. Also voted for Hillary and Brock. Right, fellas?
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    Did they mix the good ballots with the bad ballots?
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    Breitbart reports this whole story is fake news:

    Trump Campaign Pushes Back on Media Reports of Changed Pennsylvania Case

    https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...sylvania-case/

    Joel B. Pollak 15 Nov 2020

    The Trump campaign pushed back Sunday night against reports by the Washington Post and others that it had dropped a major part of its case challenging the election results in Pennsylvania.

    The Post‘s Jon Swaine and Elise Viebeck reported that the Trump campaign was abandoning the claim that election authorities invalidated over 600,000 votes by barring Trump election observers from watching the count.

    That left a much smaller part of the case — namely, that Democratic-run counties allowed voters to “cure” problems with their mailed-in ballots, while Republican counties, following rules laid down by the state legislature, did not.

    But Trump campaign legal adviser Jenna Ellis, who appeared on Breitbart News Sunday on Sirius XM Patriot 125 shortly after the Post story came out, disputed its claims.

    Note to @washingtonpost: @jennaEllisEsq of the Trump campaign says this report is inaccurate, i.e. #fakenews. She told "@BreitbartNews Sunday" that the authors appear to have missed paragraphs 142 and 150. cc: @jonswaine @Eliseviebeck https://t.co/fwD9VZUsXI

    — Joel Pollak (@joelpollak) November 16, 2020

    Other campaign officials added to the criticism of the Post on Twitter.

    They also missed Paragraph 4. @washingtonpost just making $#@! up today! https://t.co/hXmBycUmHN

    — Jason Miller (@JasonMillerinDC) November 16, 2020

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    Wake up to reality!

    — Rudy W. Giuliani (@RudyGiuliani) November 16, 2020

    This story is completely erroneous. Our lawsuit in Pennsylvania absolutely still makes an issue of the 682,479 mail-in and absentee ballots that were counted in secret.

    To write that we had scrapped that argument requires not reading the amended complaint. https://t.co/zShPcOjQH4

    — Tim Murtaugh (@TimMurtaugh) November 16, 2020

    Politico published a similar story to the Post, triggering a similar response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Breitbart reports this whole story is fake news:

    Trump Campaign Pushes Back on Media Reports of Changed Pennsylvania Case

    https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...sylvania-case/

    Joel B. Pollak 15 Nov 2020

    The Trump campaign pushed back Sunday night against reports by the Washington Post and others that it had dropped a major part of its case challenging the election results in Pennsylvania.

    The Post‘s Jon Swaine and Elise Viebeck reported that the Trump campaign was abandoning the claim that election authorities invalidated over 600,000 votes by barring Trump election observers from watching the count.

    That left a much smaller part of the case — namely, that Democratic-run counties allowed voters to “cure” problems with their mailed-in ballots, while Republican counties, following rules laid down by the state legislature, did not.

    But Trump campaign legal adviser Jenna Ellis, who appeared on Breitbart News Sunday on Sirius XM Patriot 125 shortly after the Post story came out, disputed its claims.

    Note to @washingtonpost: @jennaEllisEsq of the Trump campaign says this report is inaccurate, i.e. #fakenews. She told "@BreitbartNews Sunday" that the authors appear to have missed paragraphs 142 and 150. cc: @jonswaine @Eliseviebeck https://t.co/fwD9VZUsXI

    — Joel Pollak (@joelpollak) November 16, 2020

    Other campaign officials added to the criticism of the Post on Twitter.

    They also missed Paragraph 4. @washingtonpost just making $#@! up today! https://t.co/hXmBycUmHN

    — Jason Miller (@JasonMillerinDC) November 16, 2020

    The only thing that would have surprised me is if Philly didn’t cheat on a big scale in the 2020 election.

    It would have been the first time they missed such an opportunity in 60 years.

    Wake up to reality!

    — Rudy W. Giuliani (@RudyGiuliani) November 16, 2020

    This story is completely erroneous. Our lawsuit in Pennsylvania absolutely still makes an issue of the 682,479 mail-in and absentee ballots that were counted in secret.

    To write that we had scrapped that argument requires not reading the amended complaint. https://t.co/zShPcOjQH4

    — Tim Murtaugh (@TimMurtaugh) November 16, 2020

    Politico published a similar story to the Post, triggering a similar response.
    @Brian4Liberty, can we get this thread labelled Fake News or at least disputed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    @Brian4Liberty, can we get this thread labelled Fake News or at least disputed?
    It would be a lot cooler if we could get TheCount labelled as Fake News or disputed as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny Tufts View Post
    Can you please cite the PA law that would invalidate the mail-in ballots that were received before the polls closed?
    https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs...ssInd=0&act=77

    (8) No absentee ballot under this subsection shall be counted which is received in the office of the county board of elections later than [eight o'clock P.M. on the day of the primary or election] the deadline for its receipt as provided insection 1308(g).
    (b) Watchers shall be permitted to be present when the envelopes containing official absentee ballots and mail-inballots are opened and when such ballots are counted and recorded.
    Section 11. Sections 1, 2, 3, 3.2, 4, 5, 5.1, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 12 of this act are nonseverable. If any provision of this act or its application to any person or circumstance is held invalid, the remaining provisions or applications of this act are void.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It would be a lot cooler if we could get TheCount labelled as Fake News or disputed as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Breitbart reports this whole story is fake news:
    Your claim of fake news is fake news.



    The Trump campaign's disingenuous spin on its water-down voter fraud claims

    The Washington Post’s Jon Swaine and Elise Viebeck broke some big news Sunday night. The Trump campaign had significantly watered down its lawsuit seeking to challenge the results of the election in Pennsylvania.

    The Trump campaign has responded to the story as you would expect: by calling it fake news. But a closer look at the amended lawsuit reveals the folly of its claims — both legally and when it comes to the media.

    The crux of The Post’s report is that the lawsuit removed claims that elections officials violated the Trump campaign’s rights by limiting its ability to witness the ballot-counting process. This is significant because that claim involves more than 600,000 ballots in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. To the extent that the campaign is backing off that, its path to overturn its deficit in Pennsylvania — which is at nearly 70,000 votes and growing — becomes much more difficult. And without Pennsylvania, President Trump would have virtually no shot at retaining office, given that he would need to overturn the results in three states.

    The lawsuit now focuses more on a significantly smaller number of votes that included errors that voters were allowed to fix — also known as “cured” ballots. The Trump campaign alleges that this was facilitated disproportionately in Democratic-leaning areas.

    But the Trump campaign assures that this is not all that it seems. Trump attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani claimed that The Post “didn’t read para[graphs] 132-150 which repeat all the allegations of the 680,777 mail in votes which were deliberately concealed from Republican inspectors.” Trump campaign legal adviser Jenna Ellis pointed specifically to Paragraphs 142 and 150. All of these paragraphs, they assured, kept the observers claim — and those more than 600,000 votes — on the table.

    The Trump campaign also issued a lengthy statement Monday morning calling The Post’s report “a complete mischaracterization.”

    “In fact, because of a Friday ruling by the Third Circuit Court of Appeals in an unrelated case, the campaign strategically decided to restructure its lawsuit to rely on claims of violations of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution,” the campaign said. “The claim that 682,479 ballots were improperly processed and counted is still very much part of the suit.”

    But while the campaign — as The Post’s report acknowledges — continues to assert in its lawsuit that its observers were not able to monitor the counting of mail ballots, it is no longer pursuing legal claims based on that allegation. References to the observers remain in the lawsuit, but the Trump campaign is not seeking legal relief based on that allegation anymore. Instead, those assertions are more or less filler at this point.

    And that becomes readily apparent, thanks to the fact that we can see exactly what changes were made on the document.

    Ellis mentioned Paragraph 142, which states: “It is estimated that 680,770 ballots were processed by the Allegheny and Philadelphia County Boards of Elections when no observation was allowed.” The other paragraph she cited, No. 150, says, “Plaintiffs incorporate each of the prior allegations in this Complaint.”

    But that language is standard. It simply means that everything in the lawsuit should be considered as part of the allegation. But the actual allegations of violations say nothing about election observers.

    The newly amended lawsuit eliminates five of the previous seven allegations of violations, in fact, including all that focused on the access of observers. It also eliminates that claim from its request for relief, which is what really matters in such a lawsuit.

    The only two counts remaining focus on the smaller issue of “cured” ballots:


    • The previous Count 4, alleging a violation of the 14th Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause over claims that some voters were informed that their ballots needed to be fixed while others were not.
    • The previous Count 5, alleging violations of the electors and elections clauses of the Constitution, claiming the governor’s Executive Board overstepped on cured ballots when that should have been at the authority of the state legislature.


    Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar (D) noted the observers claim now has “no bearing” on the Trump campaign’s claims anymore and said it “cannot form the basis for any purported relief.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-fraud-claims/


    President Donald Trump’s campaign is withdrawing a central request in its lawsuit seeking to stop the certification of the election results in Pennsylvania, where Democrat Joe Biden beat Trump to capture the state and help win the White House.Ahead of a Tuesday hearing in the case, Trump’s campaign dropped its request in the lawsuit that hundreds of thousands of mail-in and absentee ballots — 682,479, to be precise — be thrown out because they were processed without its representatives able to watch.

    The campaign’s revised lawsuit, filed in federal court on Sunday, maintains the aim of blocking Pennsylvania from certifying a victory for Biden in the state, and it maintains its claim that Democratic voters were treated more favorably than Republican voters.

    Meanwhile, the Trump campaign switched up its lawyers in the case Monday evening. Exiting is Linda Kerns, a Philadelphia lawyer who has handled a number of lawsuits for the campaign. Replacing her is Marc Scaringi, a Harrisburg-area lawyer who volunteered on Trump’s 2016 campaign, is a conservative activist who hosts a radio talk show and ran unsuccessfully for the U.S. Senate in 2012.

    The campaign still contends in the lawsuit that hundreds of thousands of ballots weren’t properly processed.

    “Our lawsuit in Pennsylvania absolutely still makes an issue of the 682,479 mail-in and absentee ballots that were counted in secret,” Trump campaign spokesman Tim Murtaugh tweeted.

    The campaign said in a statement Monday that it “strategically decided to restructure its lawsuit to rely on claims of violations of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.”

    The Trump campaign isn’t making that claim on the hundreds of thousands of mail-in and absentee ballots, however. Instead, in the revised suit, it targets the practice of giving voters an opportunity to fix mail-in ballots that were going to be disqualified for a technicality. It contends some Democratic-run counties allowed voters to do that, while Republican counties did not, arguing Democratic voters were treated more favorably than Republican voters.

    The Associated Press on Nov. 7 called the presidential contest for Biden after determining that the remaining ballots left to be counted in Pennsylvania would not allow Trump to catch up. Trump has refused to concede.

    The lawsuit charges that “Democratic-heavy counties” violated the law by identifying mail-in ballots before Election Day that had defects — such as lacking an inner “secrecy envelope” or lacking a voter’s signature on the outside envelope — so that the voter could fix it and ensure that the vote would count, called “curing.”

    Republican-heavy counties “followed the law and did not provide a notice and cure process, disenfranchising many,” the lawsuit said.
    Cliff Levine, a lawyer representing the Democratic National Committee, which is seeking to intervene, said it’s unclear how many voters were given the chance to fix their ballot and that there is nothing illegal about it.

    But, he said, it is minimal and certainly fewer than the margin — almost 70,000 — that separates Biden and Trump.

    “The numbers aren’t even close to the margin between the two candidates, not even close,” Levine said.

    In any case, there is no provision in state law preventing counties from helping voters to fix a ballot that contains a technical deficiency. Levine said the lawsuit does not contain any allegation that somebody voted illegally.

    “They really should be suing the counties that didn’t allow (voters) to make corrections,” Levine said. “The goal should be making sure every vote counts.”

    Pennsylvania’s top election official, Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar, a Democrat, responded in court on Sunday, asking the judge to dismiss the case. State courts are the proper jurisdiction for the subject, and the lawsuit contains no “plausible claim for relief on any legal theory,” the state’s lawyers wrote.

    More than 2.6 million mail-in ballots were reported received by counties, and there has been no report by state or county election officials or a prosecutor of fraud or any other problem with the accuracy of the count.

    A key theme of Trump and his supporters has been their claim that Philadelphia — a Democratic bastion where Trump lost badly — had not allowed Trump’s campaign representatives to watch mail-in and absentee ballots processed and tabulated.

    However, Republican lawyers have acknowledged in a separate federal court proceeding that they had certified observers watching mail-in ballots being processed in Philadelphia. Gov. Tom Wolf’s administration has said that ballot watchers from all parties had observers throughout the process and that “any insinuation otherwise is a lie.”
    https://apnews.com/article/trump-campaign-lawsuit-pennsylvania-fe4754fa7cd077d66854c724e1df91e7
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    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    Yes, indeed , we will never be able to prove fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    @Brian4Liberty, can we get this thread labelled Fake News or at least disputed?
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    It would be a lot cooler if we could get TheCount labelled as Fake News or disputed as well.

    Look for yourself, if you're allowed to do so. Here's the relevant stuff that was deleted from the lawsuit:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/ev6nac59w8...125.1.pdf?dl=0



    ...







    ...



    ...



    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    Yes, indeed , we will never be able to prove fraud.



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post

    Wrong.




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    Fear my 2 minute MS Paint skills. Here's where the request for injunction on the basis on lack of observers was removed:






    But yes, go on nodding along as the Trump campaign tells you that the sky is brown. If only you'd donate a little bit more money to them, they'd be victorious. Get out your credit card again. You do want to win, don't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    Yes, indeed , we will never be able to prove fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Wrong.




    https://twitter.com/RudyGiuliani/sta...86032655900673

    Wrong.


    https://twitter.com/mateagold/status...92939470835712


    https://twitter.com/marceelias/statu...97329581699073


    https://twitter.com/jonswaine/status...91208339697665



    Also, here's paragraph 150.




    Oops, they accidentally the whole thing.
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    Yes, indeed , we will never be able to prove fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Wrong.


    https://twitter.com/mateagold/status...92939470835712


    https://twitter.com/marceelias/statu...97329581699073


    https://twitter.com/jonswaine/status...91208339697665



    Also, here's paragraph 150.




    Oops, they accidentally the whole thing.
    No, they didn't..

    8:40

    Quote Originally Posted by tod evans View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Fear my 2 minute MS Paint skills. Here's where the request for injunction on the basis on lack of observers was removed:






    But yes, go on nodding along as the Trump campaign tells you that the sky is brown. If only you'd donate a little bit more money to them, they'd be victorious. Get out your credit card again. You do want to win, don't you?
    Double check your reading skills, they talk about the Demoncrats preventing their observers from being present all over the place.
    And that change just removes a lesser demand, they want the entire election not certified because of the observer issue, if they get what they want they can haggle over which votes to count before certifying later.
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    I make the following comments after going back and rereading the portion of the PA Supreme Court’s opinion regarding the 3-day extension for receiving mail-in ballots. The entire majority opinion can be read here: http://www.pacourts.us/assets/opinio...66639.pdf?cb=1

    The statutory deadline provision applies solely to absentee ballots received after the deadline, not to those received before the deadline. Your cites to the provisions dealing with watchers and nonseverability are irrelevant. In other words, if the PA Supreme Court's decision is reversed, then the 8 pm deadline applies and only the late arriving ballots get tossed; no statute has been voided.

    Now if you're arguing in the alternative that if the PA Supreme Court's decision stands then per the nonseverability provision all mail-in ballots (as well as the vast majority of the 2019 act) are void, many questions remain:

    (1) The PA Supreme Court relied on a PA statute giving lower state courts the authority to decide “matters pertaining to the election as may be necessary to carry out the intent of” the Election Code and on a previous lower court decision upholding a two-week suspension of an election due to a natural disaster. The PA Supreme Court held that COVID was a natural disaster and that it had the jurisdiction to grant the equitable remedy of a 3-day extension. It did not explicitly hold the statutory deadline was unconstitutional. Instead, it seems to have adopted the position of the Secretary of State (who was a defendant in the proceedings), who emphasized that she was not asking the Court to invalidate the statutory deadline but to grant a temporary extension of the deadline due to COVID and that the deadline would remain unchanged for future elections.

    (2) However, if you view the decision as holding the statutory deadline was unconstitutional as applied to the current situation (which in all honesty I think is what the PA Supreme Court’s decision did without actually saying so), it follows from the nonseverability provision that all of the amendments to the voting regulations made by the 2019 act are invalid, which leads to wondering whether the election in PA complied with pre-2019 law. Many provisions of the 2019 act don’t deal with absentee or mail-in voting; for example, Section 3 of the act amended the official form of the ballot, and it’s reasonable to assume that the new form was used in the election. But under pre-2019 law, this wouldn’t be a valid official ballot. It’s therefore possible that if the pre-2019 law wasn’t followed in all respects ALL votes in PA, not just mail-in votes, must be thrown out. And if that’s the case, what happens to PA’s electoral votes?

    (3) More important, does enforcing the nonseverability provision violate the PA Constitution's provision regarding free and equal elections? In other words, if the nonseverability provision acts to void either all of the votes in the election or even just all the mail-in ballots, it would seem that there will have been no free and equal election. In other words, the nonseverability provision itself isn’t immune from the PA Constitution’s free and equal election clause.

    Of course, all of this is academic, since Biden has enough electoral votes to win even without PA's.
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  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    they want the entire election not certified because of the observer issue
    Link and quote, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    Yes, indeed , we will never be able to prove fraud.



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  29. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    Link and quote, please.
    ..
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    No, they didn't..


    8:40

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    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    ..












    I'm not watching a 26 minute youtube video only to find out that there's absolutely nothing there. The link in the description is the exact same, old tweet with a picture of a document. The only thing more idiotic than a link to a link to a picture of a document is 26 minutes of audio about a link to a link to a picture of a document.
    Last edited by TheCount; 11-17-2020 at 02:13 PM.
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    Yes, indeed , we will never be able to prove fraud.

  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    I'm not watching a 26 minute youtube video only to find out that there's absolutely nothing there.
    There is a timestamp... It is all there. 8:40

    The document is there. The words are there. There is a url link to the document at the top of the video. The link in the video is not to twitter, it is to a pdf document of the filing.
    Last edited by dannno; 11-17-2020 at 02:17 PM.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    There is a timestamp... It is all there. 8:40

    The document is there. The words are there. There is a url link to the document at the top of the video. The link in the video is not to twitter, it is to a pdf document of the filing.
    The text that is on the screen at 8:40 has already been covered earlier in the thread. Do try to keep up.








    Bonus:
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    Yes, indeed , we will never be able to prove fraud.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCount View Post
    The text that is on the screen at 8:40 has already been covered earlier in the thread. Do try to keep up.
    Uh, no, look at the date of the filing.. that is the updated document. Clearly, they crossed out sections of the previous filing and AMENDED them to what you can see in the video, and all you are posting is what was crossed out and not what was amended to the document..
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
    "You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
    "When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q

    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  34. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by dannno View Post
    Uh, no, look at the date of the filing.. that is the updated document. Clearly, they crossed out sections of the previous filing and AMENDED them to what you can see in the video, and all you are posting is what was crossed out and not what was amended to the document..
    It has already been covered. It says the same things. It is about the same thing that Giuliani tweeted about two days ago:




    You will see that this random youtuber begins, at 8:40, at paragraph 132, just as Giuliani said to.
    "The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear - fear of the unknown, the complex, the inexplicable. What he wants above everything else is safety."
    H. L. Mencken

    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    Yes, indeed , we will never be able to prove fraud.

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