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    Exclamation Biden's first move as president-elect? Mask mandate for all.

    Big Safety First play by Biden camp to start the historic first term:

    4 hours ago

    Biden's first move as president-elect? Mask mandate for all. Here's how he plans on doing it.

    Dr. Marc Siegel believes a more punitive approach to mask wearing may have the opposite impact of what the Biden admin intends.

    By Lucas Manfredi | Fox News

    Joe Biden launches transition website, names coronavirus response coordinator

    President-elect taps Dr. Vivek Murthy to lead pandemic task force, as transition team prepares list of executive orders; Peter Doocy reports.


    One of Joe Biden's first priorities as president-elect will be implementing mask mandates nationwide by working with governors. The future 46th president, however, says if they refuse than he will go to mayors and county executives and get local masking requirements in place.

    STANFORD RESEARCHER WHO TRACKED TRUMP RALLIES CONCERNED BUT CAN'T COMMIT TO STUDYING BIDEN CELEBRATIONS

    Fox News medical contributor Dr. Marc Siegel believes that while masks are "the icing on the physical distancing cake" and should be worn properly both indoors and outdoors, especially when people are too close together, a more punitive approach to mask wearing may have the opposite impact of what the administration intends.

    "I think masks are quite useful, but they have a place and they're not the be all and end all," Siegel said. "I'm worried that mandating this with fines and such may actually lead to more of a rebellion against it."
    He noted that the use of masks should be determined based on how much of the risk of exposure to the coronavirus is in a specific area rather than mandating it everywhere.

    DC MAYOR TELLS EVERYONE WHO VOTED TO GET TESTED FOR COVID, BUT MUM ON BIDEN CELEBRATIONS

    As for social distancing, Biden's plan says it will be used as more of a "dial" approach that will determine the risk of spread using evidence-based guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a move Siegel says is a mistake.

    "I don't think social distancing is dial. I think masks are a dial," Siegel said. "Social distancing is something we should just be doing right now. You never know how much virus was in the community."

    He believes physical distancing is actually more important to curbing the spread than masks are.
    "I think physical distancing is more important than masks," Siegel argued. "If you're 10 feet away from someone, you're not going to get the virus. If you're one foot away with a mask, you might."
    Siegel's comments come just a day after crowds flooded the street across major cities to celebrate Biden's projected win. While the majority of Americans supporting Biden have worn masks, many of the celebrations over the weekend had an absence of social distancing, which the president-elect has appeared silent on.

    Biden on Monday is slated to announce his coronavirus task force, which will be headed by Vivek Murthy, the former U.S. surgeon general, and David Kessler, the former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration.
    In addition, another member of the task force expected to play a key role will be Dr. Zeke Emanuel, an adviser to Biden and the architect of the Affordable Care Act. Emanuel told MarketWatch in an interview that it could be as late as November 2021 before the United States will be able to get out of the pandemic.

    foxnews.com/politics/bidens-first-move-as-president-elect-mask-mandate-for-all-heres-how-he-plans-on-doing-it




    In contrast, Prez had promoted masks as patriotic act when social distancing was not possible:

    Trump says wearing a face mask is ‘patriotic’ and plans to resume COVID-19 briefings




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    Better hope the Supreme Court reverses the results.
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    Nah , thats his third move . He stated his first two are re joining the Paris climate accords and the World Health Organization because he is a globalist commie and hates americans .They deserve to be hated though for voting for him.

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    And the the mindless hordes of Karens will eat it up ... (and shove it down our throats, as well ...)

    https://twitter.com/BobMurphyEcon/st...25166081232897


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    I will not comply.
    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment. - C. S. Lewis

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    [QUOTE=Occam's Banana;6993814]And the the mindless hordes of Karens will eat it up ... (and shove it down our throats, as well ...)


    Those responding to Wolf are probably lockdown bots. These bots on there are citing NZ and Taiwan as success lets not ignore that they completely stopped the testing.


    I can only imagine if Biden/Harris decides to lock up America and for six months. Bye Bye New York City And LA jobs forever.
    Last edited by AngryCanadian; 11-09-2020 at 12:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I will not comply.
    Step one is noncompliance.

    Step two is complying if they force it upon you for the sole purpose of retaining your physical freedom.

    Step three is using your physical freedom to engineer the destruction of those responsible for its enactment and enforcement.

    My humble suggestion to those that will not comply is to, under no circumstances, sacrifice your physical freedom. Sure, it is not the honorable approach where you fight to the bitter end to keep the damned mask off your face and get thrown in a cell or killed for your efforts, but it is the one that best promises a chance of actually making the bastards pay for their decision to enforce the mandate. Patriots are better served subverting and sapping those in power than spending their time honorably rotting away in prison or dead.

    Of course, the mileage of others may vary. I respect those that would fight to the bitter end after any attempt at enforcement. However, it'd be a shame to let enforcers take the fight to patriots at times of their choosing. Just as the Founders of this country used guerilla warfare to their advantage, the goal is not just to fight the good fight but also to win.
    Last edited by BSWPaulsen; 11-09-2020 at 12:31 AM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BSWPaulsen View Post
    Step one is noncompliance.

    Step two is complying if they force it upon you for the sole purpose of retaining your physical freedom.

    Step three is using your physical freedom to engineer the destruction of those responsible for its enactment and enforcement.

    My humble suggestion to those that will not comply is to, under no circumstances, sacrifice your physical freedom. Sure, it is not the honorable approach where you fight to the bitter end to keep the damned mask off your face and get thrown in a cell for your efforts, but it is the one that best promises a chance of actually making the bastards pay for their decision to enforce the mandate. Patriots are better served subverting and sapping those in power than spending their time honorably rotting away in prison.
    Some of us are going to prison, no matter what happens.

    Let it be me, if that's what it comes down to, while providing cover for our younger, fitter revolutionaries.

    Besides, some the world's most noted anti-authoritarians did their best work in prison.

    But you are right, the better choice is to keep as many out of prison as possible.
    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment. - C. S. Lewis

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    Comply with nuclear deal with Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Some of us are going to prison, no matter what happens.

    Let it be me, if that's what it comes down to, while providing cover for our younger, fitter revolutionaries.

    Besides, some the world's most noted anti-authoritarians did their best work in prison.

    But you are right, the better choice is to keep as many out of prison as possible.
    I added a bit to my post above. I respect those that take imprisonment over complying, and you are right that some people do great work from there. I also respect the hell out of anyone that elects to fight at the moment enforcement is attempted. I really do, because honor is something vital to Western Civilization and American men.

    Unfortunately, it is also foolish to fight the enemy at the time of their choosing. I'd much rather patriots appear to acquiesce to the demands of tyrants on the surface, then strike down the tyrants when their guard is lowered.

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    "They tell us sir that we are weak - unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a...guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging that delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have [muzzled and] bound us hand and foot?" - Patrick Henry (emphasis and bracketed text added)
    Last edited by CCTelander; 11-09-2020 at 01:00 AM.
    Chris

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    Babies wear diapers. Free men wear sidearms and carry rifles.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCTelander View Post
    Babies wear diapers. Free men wear sidearms and carry rifles.
    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.

    The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult.

    To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.” ― C.S. Lewis
    We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about his own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly serious passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment. - C. S. Lewis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.

    The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult.

    To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.” ― C.S. Lewis

    One of my favorite quotes. I have many.

    I'd +rep you if I could.
    Chris

    "Government ... does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms." Wolf DeVoon

    "...Make America Great Again. I'm interested in making American FREE again. Then the greatness will come automatically."Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Banana View Post
    And the the mindless hordes of Karens will eat it up ... (and shove it down our throats, as well ...)

    https://twitter.com/BobMurphyEcon/st...25166081232897
    Wow! I can't believe Naomi Wolf was that gullible.
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  20. #17
    Yeah I'm gonna pass on that one.
    "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration is minding my own business."

    Calvin Coolidge

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    Well it is an "R" pushing this ,,

    https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/11/...nor-issue-new/

    Utah governor orders statewide mask mandate
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Some of us are going to prison, no matter what happens.
    Let it be me, if that's what it comes down to, while providing cover for our younger, fitter revolutionaries.
    Besides, some the world's most noted anti-authoritarians did their best work in prison.
    But you are right, the better choice is to keep as many out of prison as possible.
    I never spent any time in prison; but I have spent some overnight time in jail cells awaiting arraignment for saying, "No," to authorities during the days of my Fathers' Rights activism. And as far as the limited issue with the wearing of masks, that's probably as far as it will go. Some things to remember:
    1) Prosecutors like to advertise high conviction rates, and avoid cases that will lower their batting average. They all have wet dreams about being elected District Attorney and then going on to higher elective office. So on something like a "failure to wear mask" charge, where a great percentage of the public agrees with you, be sure to ask for a jury trial. And then schedule a meeting with the prosecutor so that you can explain the real possibility of the jury nullifying the case, thus reducing his conviction rate.
    2) If the prosecutor decides to proceed, then get a lawyer. Only fools go to court without one (it's not so much knowledge of the law as it is knowledge of the court and administrators - it's a club that you're not a member of). Arrange to have a crowd of supporters in the court room if the prosecutor decides to proceed with the case. It should be very visible that they support you - buttons, t-shirts, something along those lines. That'll help jury members sympathetic to you strengthen their backbones w/r to acquittal. It's also something that the RPF forum should be able to help organize.
    3) Get the press involved - reputable and recognizable press. You're trying to influence the sympathetic members of the community to back you up; people who go along with the mask mandates but think it's ridiculous and an overreach, and just need a little prodding to pique their indignation.
    4) If you prevail - then write letters to the editors of the reputable and recognizable press. It also helps to have a reporter wanting to take on the case - to write stories that explain that government shouldn't be wasting the community's tax dollars pursuing such frivolous jurisprudence.
    5) Numbers - it helps to have multiple cases going before juries.

    ... there's more. Instigating Contempt of Court for instance. I've always tried to avoid that - but if you have the supporters and a contingent of reporters, there's no better way to get in the news.
    It happened sometime after they Made America Great Again. You see, I grew a bit weary from all the winning.

    Remember the number one rule of libertarianism: Bad things don't just happen; bad things require dark and insidious forces to make them happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Well it is an "R" pushing this ,,

    https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/11/...nor-issue-new/

    Utah governor orders statewide mask mandate
    They are also putting in restrictions on gatherings. There is going to be plenty of non-compliance for both.
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    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

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    The Biden family giving the “good” example…
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firestarter View Post
    The Biden family giving the “good” example…
    I'm going to ask my Biden supporting friends to name one thing that Biden is going to do that increases our freedom. Or more specifically one thing that doesn't require the initiation of physical force.

    The only problem is they have a twisted definition of freedom. For example one liberal friend argued that increasing the minimum wage increases freedom ... from exploitation! Where do you go with that?

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    Republican Governor of Utah declaring a state of emergency and mask mandate for the state.

    It might be that the risk of death has gone down from the virus alone, but sudden surges in hospitilization are going to put stress on the system.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/utah-gove...s-restrictions

  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by enhanced_deficit View Post
    Big Safety First play by Biden camp to start the historic first term:

    4 hours ago

    Biden's first move as president-elect? Mask mandate for all. Here's how he plans on doing it.

    Dr. Marc Siegel believes a more punitive approach to mask wearing may have the opposite impact of what the Biden admin intends.

    By Lucas Manfredi | Fox News

    Joe Biden launches transition website, names coronavirus response coordinator

    President-elect taps Dr. Vivek Murthy to lead pandemic task force, as transition team prepares list of executive orders; Peter Doocy reports.


    One of Joe Biden's first priorities as president-elect will be implementing mask mandates nationwide by working with governors. The future 46th president, however, says if they refuse than he will go to mayors and county executives and get local masking requirements in place.

    STANFORD RESEARCHER WHO TRACKED TRUMP RALLIES CONCERNED BUT CAN'T COMMIT TO STUDYING BIDEN CELEBRATIONS

    Fox News medical contributor Dr. Marc Siegel believes that while masks are "the icing on the physical distancing cake" and should be worn properly both indoors and outdoors, especially when people are too close together, a more punitive approach to mask wearing may have the opposite impact of what the administration intends.

    "I think masks are quite useful, but they have a place and they're not the be all and end all," Siegel said. "I'm worried that mandating this with fines and such may actually lead to more of a rebellion against it."
    He noted that the use of masks should be determined based on how much of the risk of exposure to the coronavirus is in a specific area rather than mandating it everywhere.

    DC MAYOR TELLS EVERYONE WHO VOTED TO GET TESTED FOR COVID, BUT MUM ON BIDEN CELEBRATIONS

    As for social distancing, Biden's plan says it will be used as more of a "dial" approach that will determine the risk of spread using evidence-based guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a move Siegel says is a mistake.

    "I don't think social distancing is dial. I think masks are a dial," Siegel said. "Social distancing is something we should just be doing right now. You never know how much virus was in the community."

    He believes physical distancing is actually more important to curbing the spread than masks are.
    "I think physical distancing is more important than masks," Siegel argued. "If you're 10 feet away from someone, you're not going to get the virus. If you're one foot away with a mask, you might."
    Siegel's comments come just a day after crowds flooded the street across major cities to celebrate Biden's projected win. While the majority of Americans supporting Biden have worn masks, many of the celebrations over the weekend had an absence of social distancing, which the president-elect has appeared silent on.

    Biden on Monday is slated to announce his coronavirus task force, which will be headed by Vivek Murthy, the former U.S. surgeon general, and David Kessler, the former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration.
    In addition, another member of the task force expected to play a key role will be Dr. Zeke Emanuel, an adviser to Biden and the architect of the Affordable Care Act. Emanuel told MarketWatch in an interview that it could be as late as November 2021 before the United States will be able to get out of the pandemic.

    foxnews.com/politics/bidens-first-move-as-president-elect-mask-mandate-for-all-heres-how-he-plans-on-doing-it




    In contrast, Prez had promoted masks as patriotic act when social distancing was not possible:

    Trump says wearing a face mask is ‘patriotic’ and plans to resume COVID-19 briefings

    That is purely a POLITICAL move totally unsupported by scientists.
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    Media has completely ignored this shocking statement from close friend and lawyer of President of US:

    "China manufactured the virus and let it out and they DELIBERATELY SPREAD IT AROUND THE WORLD" -Rudy Giuliani
    Quote Originally Posted by Contumacious View Post
    That is purely a POLITICAL move totally unsupported by scientists.
    Could be.
    But how lucky is Biden, on first weekday after media declares him Prez elect, a miracle cure for covid has been found and DOW jumped +1500 points this morning.
    So 'mask manadate' may remain a political statement only or might be in place for very brief time if it came to that.

    Foxnews medical expert informed Americans today that 'be afraid of the virus but don't be afraid of this (miracle) vaccine because it does not inject virus in the body but makes its protein in the body after injected".

    Biden declared Prez Elect: Sat Nov 7th
    Covid Miracle news and +1500 points Dow jump : Mon Nov 9th





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    I don't like wearing a mask. I can handle them for short trips to a store. I go in and out as fast as possible. I will start using delivery services more if it gets more restrictive than i already is. I go maskless as much as possible. One thing about a mask is that it is that I can take it off. This is not the battle for me. If you want to fight this particular battle go ahead I'll send money when we have a chip in for you. I have just about reached my level of tolerance of BS we all will have our own battles I think.

    Hopefully this place will be our place for a while longer and we can support and strengthen each other as much as possible. I hope ED don't split his @$$ too much while he's straddling the fence.



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