Next 4 years could bring resurgence of libertarians, conservatives, small-gummit Republicans

[enhanced_deficit]

Hope n Hope. Does Kamala have potential to be "Obama 2.0"?
In any case, if election outcome is what I suspect it will be.. next 4 years could bring sharp resurgence of libertarianism, conservatism, small gummit Republicanism, Tea Party 3.0 and maybe even a credible 3rd party rise. Looking forward to what comes next.



In contrast to Dems socialism/big gummit debt spending/globalism, ongoing GOPA wing funded revolution's progressive socialism/big gummit debt spending/globalism comes with sober mood.


1 day ago
Kamala Harris thinks she can laugh her way through serious questions: Pavlich

Harris laughed when asked if she would advocate for a 'socialist or progressive perspective'

Editor Katie Pavlich called Democratic vice-presidential nominee Sen. Kamala Harris “the most far-left Democrat in Washington, D.C.," and said Joe Biden picked her to "make sure that the left wing of the party felt comfortable" that they would have a voice in his administration.

During an interview Monday on "America's Newsroom," the Townhall.com editor also pointed out that, instead of explaining her policies, the California senator "just laughed about it and didn’t give any details” during an interview with CBS News anchor Norah O’Donnell that aired Sunday.

"Sen. Harris tends to think that she can laugh her way through serious questions in the very limited number of interviews that she or the former vice president [Joe Biden] gives to the American people,” said Pavlich on Monday.

"There is a very serious question in America about the way forward in terms of each of these campaigns presenting different paths of capitalism, free markets versus a socialist bent in the left wing of the Democratic Party," she said.

foxnews.com/politics/harris-thinks-she-can-laugh-her-way-through-serious-questions-pavlich

[Slave Mentality]

Edited: Done posting for a while. Life is better without it.

[69360]

Keep dreaming. Nobody cares about liberterians or freedom anymore. Worry about your personal safety now.

[enhanced_deficit]

Not entirely opposed to 'Safety-First' mindset but too much of it can cause "winning fatigue" or " 'too much winning' fatigue ".. and whole lot of other fatigues.

[Philhelm]

Keep dreaming. Nobody cares about liberterians or freedom anymore. Worry about your personal safety now.

My biggest problem with libertarianism is its obsession with losing. The Ron Paul solution sailed away long ago.

[enhanced_deficit]

My biggest problem with libertarianism is its obsession with losing. The Ron Paul solution sailed away long ago.

Real win is win of ideas, almost every Republican today tries to sing Ron Paul's tune. Rand and bunch of other libertarians election was a positive change.
Winning elections by pandering and by selling out to globalist deep pockets with 'got played again' tactics is cheap superficial shallow win at best.

[Voluntarist]

Per registered decision, member has been banned for violating community standards as interpreted by TheTexan (respect his authoritah) as authorized by Brian4Liberty Ruling

May God have mercy on his atheist, police-hating, non-voting, anarchist soul.

[Anti Federalist]

Keep dreaming. Nobody cares about liberterians or freedom anymore. Worry about your personal safety now.

This.

Let's assume all the polling is correct: that results in a landslide 45 state+ Biden win, along with the senate and house.

That means California style uniparty power.

They already own the media organs top to bottom.

They already own academia.

They already own global corporate AmeriKa.

They already own pro sports.

They already own the entertainment complex.

They already own the upper echelons of the military.

They already own the intelligence agencies.

They already own social media and the internet.

They already own federal law enforcement and state and local leadership of law enforcement if maybe not the rank and file.

So then the effort will be full on consolidation of Marxist power at the federal level: gerrymandering on the 2020 census data, adding pseudo states of DC and PR to add solid Marxist senators to the senate, packing SCOTUS, massive waves of third world migration, and many other lesser efforts.

Welcome to Venezuela Norte', forever.

Or at least until the whole mess collapses due to debt...then the ChiComs come and bail us out and de-facto take over.

And since they have been a thriving society for over 5000 years, I'd say they will take over for as near as "forever" means in human terms.

It was a good run anyways...see ya in the camps.

[Anti Globalist]

That is nothing but a pipe dream at this point. The Marxists pretty much run the show of every organization.

[Okie RP fan]

Keep dreaming. Nobody cares about liberterians or freedom anymore. Worry about your personal safety now.

I want to say, from my heart, the battle isn't over.
My mind says, however, forget about the battle. The war is lost, time to go home. These could very well be interesting times ahead. It's fascinating to see all of the totalitarian masks come off in the year 2020. From big tech, to politicians, CEOs, etc. And now, the best part, people are policing themselves over covid with snitching neighbors.

My biggest problem with libertarianism is its obsession with losing. The Ron Paul solution sailed away long ago.

I sadly think this is the truth. The mass break off that occurred after 2012 had remnants of a pumping heart for a few more years, but now? It's hard to see.

[Peace Piper]

This.

Let's assume all the polling is correct: that results in a landslide 45 state+ Biden win, along with the senate and house.

That means California style uniparty power.

They already own the media organs top to bottom.

They already own academia.

They already own global corporate AmeriKa.

They already own pro sports.

They already own the entertainment complex.

They already own the upper echelons of the military.

They already own the intelligence agencies.

They already own social media and the internet.

They already own federal law enforcement and state and local leadership of law enforcement if maybe not the rank and file.

So then the effort will be full on consolidation of Marxist power at the federal level: gerrymandering on the 2020 census data, adding pseudo states of DC and PR to add solid Marxist senators to the senate, packing SCOTUS, massive waves of third world migration, and many other lesser efforts.

Welcome to Venezuela Norte', forever.

Or at least until the whole mess collapses due to debt...then the ChiComs come and bail us out and de-facto take over.

And since they have been a thriving society for over 5000 years, I'd say they will take over for as near as "forever" means in human terms.

It was a good run anyways...see ya in the camps.

William Wallace just called- He wants his avatar back. He's pissed off too. You don't want to see WW pissed off.



This place is one of the biggest political disappointments in US history. We almost changed the District of Criminals, then little Rand came along (after Ron and Mitt made a deal) and put everyone back to sleep. He SOLD US ALL OUT. And Ron was busy counting $100 dollar bills and schmoozing with Jesse Benton.

For shame.

I can't wait to leave the US.

[KEEF]

Keep dreaming. Nobody cares about liberterians or freedom anymore. Worry about your personal safety now.

This^

Still curious why this webpage is called the RonPaulForums? Nothing like it was in 08 through 14.

[Anti Federalist]

William Wallace just called- He wants his avatar back. He's pissed off too. You don't want to see WW pissed off.

This place is one of the biggest political disappointments in US history. We almost changed the District of Criminals, then little Rand came along (after Ron and Mitt made a deal) and put everyone back to sleep. He SOLD US ALL OUT. And Ron was busy counting $100 dollar bills and schmoozing with Jesse Benton.

I can't wait to leave the US.

You neg rep me, and call me a loser.

Yet here you are, champing at the bit to blow town and run away.

To where, I have no $#@!ing idea, as the world is now a prison planet, but that is what you want to do.

After bashing one of the most successful freedom campaigns ever, in Rand Paul.

I wrote those words to point out that, while you are hauling ass, and everybody is busy kissing ass and complying, I will be preparing mind and body to hold the line and die as a martyr and kook.

I have no illusions about how few will stand with me when that time comes, that, let's be honest, doomatarians have been predicting for decades.

But I'm convinced it's as close as it has ever been in my lifetime.

All the Jacobin left needs to start the killing is a new Robespierre.

Enjoy your beach in Belize.

It's liberty or death for me as this all unwinds.

[r3volution 3.0]

I used to think that the GOP would go back to pretending to care about small government if a Dem were in the WH, as during the Obama years, and so open up some maneuvering room for libertarians: now, not so much. This shift toward populism and nationalism is likely to be permanent, or at least very long lasting. I suppose there's a chance if Trump is somehow totally discredited in the eyes of his base, since he's the face of this new GOP, but I really can't imagine how that could happen. As he said in the beginning, he could literally walk down the street shooting people and they'd still love him, and that may actually be an understatement. They're certainly not going to dump him over an election loss.

[Pauls' Revere]

This.

Let's assume all the polling is correct: that results in a landslide 45 state+ Biden win, along with the senate and house.

That means California style uniparty power.

They already own the media organs top to bottom.

They already own academia.

They already own global corporate AmeriKa.

They already own pro sports.

They already own the entertainment complex.

They already own the upper echelons of the military.

They already own the intelligence agencies.

They already own social media and the internet.

They already own federal law enforcement and state and local leadership of law enforcement if maybe not the rank and file.

So then the effort will be full on consolidation of Marxist power at the federal level: gerrymandering on the 2020 census data, adding pseudo states of DC and PR to add solid Marxist senators to the senate, packing SCOTUS, massive waves of third world migration, and many other lesser efforts.

Welcome to Venezuela Norte', forever.

Or at least until the whole mess collapses due to debt...then the ChiComs come and bail us out and de-facto take over.

And since they have been a thriving society for over 5000 years, I'd say they will take over for as near as "forever" means in human terms.

It was a good run anyways...see ya in the camps.

Thanks for adding reputation to this user. May you be lucky enough to receive the same Reputation back in turn.

[Pauls' Revere]

I can't wait to leave the US.

Where do you plan on going? Just curious.

[ResponsibleIdiot]

This.

Let's assume all the polling is correct: that results in a landslide 45 state+ Biden win, along with the senate and house.

That means California style uniparty power.

They already own the media organs top to bottom.

They already own academia.

They already own global corporate AmeriKa.

They already own pro sports.

They already own the entertainment complex.

They already own the upper echelons of the military.

They already own the intelligence agencies.

They already own social media and the internet.

They already own federal law enforcement and state and local leadership of law enforcement if maybe not the rank and file.

So then the effort will be full on consolidation of Marxist power at the federal level: gerrymandering on the 2020 census data, adding pseudo states of DC and PR to add solid Marxist senators to the senate, packing SCOTUS, massive waves of third world migration, and many other lesser efforts.

Welcome to Venezuela Norte', forever.

Or at least until the whole mess collapses due to debt...then the ChiComs come and bail us out and de-facto take over.

And since they have been a thriving society for over 5000 years, I'd say they will take over for as near as "forever" means in human terms.

It was a good run anyways...see ya in the camps.

Hope is not lost. If they have to steal the election to win, then there are larger numbers of us than we thought (we can lump together libertarians and conservatives of all types). More than half the country doesn't just fade away or get killed. Plus, there's woke, super-woke, and go-along-to-get-along-woke. It's the super-woke that are the loudest and dumbest and get the most air-time.

Let's pray for our own receptiveness to opportunities staring us in the face. They'll be there, I know that much.

[XNavyNuke]

So then the effort will be full on consolidation of Marxist power at the federal level: gerrymandering on the 2020 census data, adding pseudo states of DC and PR to add solid Marxist senators to the senate, packing SCOTUS, massive waves of third world migration, and many other lesser efforts.

It almost sounds like someone is not looking forward to Reconstruction 2.0 (TM) for the red hinterlands under the Biden Administration. Your lack of faith in the soon-to-be Glorious Leader is disturbing.

XNN

[Anti Federalist]

It almost sounds like someone is not looking forward to Reconstruction 2.0 (TM) for the red hinterlands under the Biden Administration. Your lack of faith in the soon-to-be Glorious Leader is disturbing.

XNN

Nope, a guy's not looking forward to this at all.

[Working Poor]

There are plenty of people who do support a less power hungry, intrusive government. I do hope that liberty and freedom ideas can still be held up. We need to keep talking about freedom. The thing about talking about freedom is many people associate freedom with being immoral. Freedom does have boundaries. You are not free if you think you need to steal other people's stuff and hire government thugs to do it. You are a slave when you have no morals that is what people need to understand. The beings who are rioting are not anarchist but they are being sold as such. They are a powerful example of slavery because they are doing someones bidding if they weren't they would not be carrying on such violent property violations.

[Badnon Wissenshaftler]

This place is one of the biggest political disappointments in US history. We almost changed the District of Criminals, then little Rand came along (after Ron and Mitt made a deal) and put everyone back to sleep. He SOLD US ALL OUT. And Ron was busy counting $100 dollar bills and schmoozing with Jesse Benton.

For shame.

I can't wait to leave the US.

Whoops, I'm a bit sorry I repped you, now. I don't believe for a second that Ron or Rand are sellouts.

I DO believe that we should not stop fighting, ever.

"What will you do without freedom?! Will you fight?!"

[Badnon Wissenshaftler]

I have no illusions about how few will stand with me when that time comes...

I'M with you, Wallace!

[Badnon Wissenshaftler]

1776: The Founding Fathers and the soldiers of the Revolution couldn't win then, either. Really, it was England that collapsed under it's own weight and its other entanglements and debt. The Revolutionaries simply had to endure.

One reason Trump won was growing resentment and popular blowback against an encroaching cancel-culture, rampant "political correctness" and a perceived powerlessness of a multitude. 8-years of Obama's pompous and patronizing oversight was enough to bring to a boil a simmering but silenced populous. (Of course, another would have to be that he was still somewhat palatable to our Unseen Lords.)

If anything, I'd fault the Trump phenomenon for short-circuiting the liberty movement. It sure as hell wasn't the Pauls. Trump has spoken very little in promotion of freedom, though I must say that his presidency has been a bit better than what I had expected.

I can see, that if we must endure the Biden->Harris nightmare, a definite and pronounced backlash will begin to wind its coils, and if we, as constituents of that wound serpent can recognize and adhere to the principles of liberty, self-reliance and limited government, that will potentiate our venom when it comes to striking at the heel of this hive-minded monster before us.

[jmdrake]

This.

Let's assume all the polling is correct: that results in a landslide 45 state+ Biden win, along with the senate and house.

I think you're misreading the polling. Correct or not it's not showing a 45 state landslide. That said, it's possible Biden could get the senate and keep the house.

That means California style uniparty power.

With the exception of the courts...but the "conservatives" on the courts are inconsistent. They seem more interested in protecting the "status quo" no matter what it is. Which means the best they can be counted on doing is slowing things down....a little.

They already own the media organs top to bottom.

Yeah. Except for talk radio. Old news.

They already own academia.

True. Increasing irrelevant but true.

They already own global corporate AmeriKa.

Elon Musk seems independent. But yeah.

They already own pro sports.

They don't own the UFC. Other sports are suffering right now. The NBA has backed away from "wokeness."

They already own the entertainment complex.

Netflix has lost marketshare for pushing virtual child porn through "Cuties" at a time when people still can't get to theaters in a lot of places.

They already own the upper echelons of the military.

That's to be expected. The military always supports the party in power.

They already own the intelligence agencies.

The only good thing to come out of Russiagate is that phony conservatives have finally realized that the intelligence agencies can't be trusted. COINTELPRO was a problem since the 1960s.

They already own social media and the internet.

Who's fault is that? In 2008 this movement OWNED the internet! Then we got "domesticated" and "civilized." As for social media, this very forum allows people to directly post from Twitter and YouTube but not alternate sites like Mastedon or Bitchute. I posted a whole thread where James Corbett of the excellent CorbettReport.com explains how he has migrated away from being solely on YouTube and where to find him when he is ultimately purged.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...How-to-Find-Me

Not a SINGLE response! If I posted some gadfly thread about how we need to "Sue Facebook and Twitter" I'd get some responses. People love doing the impractical rather than the practical.

They already own federal law enforcement and state and local leadership of law enforcement if maybe not the rank and file.

Again, these institutes typically obey the party in power.

So then the effort will be full on consolidation of Marxist power at the federal level: gerrymandering on the 2020 census data, adding pseudo states of DC and PR to add solid Marxist senators to the senate, packing SCOTUS, massive waves of third world migration, and many other lesser efforts.

Welcome to Venezuela Norte', forever.

Or at least until the whole mess collapses due to debt...then the ChiComs come and bail us out and de-facto take over.

And since they have been a thriving society for over 5000 years, I'd say they will take over for as near as "forever" means in human terms.

It was a good run anyways...see ya in the camps.

For all the "dooming and glooming" on the right, there have been significant breakouts on the left. (50 Cent and Ice Cube for example). But they don't always say what the folks already on the right want to hear. The key is that at a time everybody expects minorities to be lock step with the dems cause of the perception of Trump being racist, some are seeing through that. No I'm not expecting a "blexit" or "walkaway" to save Trump 2020. But the idea that you have to vote democrat if you are black is starting to wear thin. Every black person I show Jo Jorgenson videos to likes her, respects what she says, and might even vote for her if they weren't afraid of Trump. Even though Jo's message is 100% libertarian, people here are mad because *gasp* she says private business can address racism. Well...she's right. You might not agree that someone posting "All Lives Matter" is racist. I agree with you. But the point is that black people don't have to run to the government to deal with every slight, real or imagined. When talking about liberty, you have to take the good, along with the bad. This is what was unique about Ron Paul. His name being on the newsletters let the people on the right know he wasn't politically correct even though he denied knowledge or involvement with them. But when he got up on TV and said "The drug war is racist", he let thinking blacks know he isn't against us. But he and Jo have the same message. Government is causing the problems that many people of all political persuasions are angry about. I understand the defensive vote for Trump 2020. But long term for this movement to survive America's great demographic shift, we have to move away from trying to get people to pretend problems don't exist and towards what are the actual solutions to problems. Look at what you said about how the enemy controls the police, the military and the intelligence services. But for decades it's been the left speaking against the police, the military and the intelligence services. The question is how to ride the new anti-establishment consensus in a way that steers the ship the way we want it to go.

[Anti Federalist]

The question is how to ride the new anti-establishment consensus in a way that steers the ship the way we want it to go.

Is that even possible?...that is the core of what I am asking, long term.

How can an "anti establishment" consensus be "steered" to the concepts of individual freedom, property rights and limited government, when that consensus is rooted in, grown in and fertilized by Maoist Marxism?

[Philhelm]

All the Jacobin left needs to start the killing is a new Robespierre.

It will probably be some low gravitas $#@!wit like AOC.

[Philhelm]

It almost sounds like someone is not looking forward to Reconstruction 2.0 (TM) for the red hinterlands under the Biden Administration. Your lack of faith in the soon-to-be Glorious Leader is disturbing.

XNN

The Truth and Reconciliation Commission should sort that.

[jmdrake]

Is that even possible?...that is the core of what I am asking, long term.

Yes. By having an actual plan an implementing it. For example:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...owerful-change

Right now we are floundering.

How can an "anti establishment" consensus be "steered" to the concepts of individual freedom, property rights and limited government, when that consensus is rooted in, grown in and fertilized by Maoist Marxism?

I disagree vehemently with your assessment. Do you remember the Tea Party movement? It was a mass movement on the right largely galvanized by a backlash to the TARP bailout. Remember Occupy Wallstreet? It was a mass movement on the left largely galvanized by a backlash to the TARP bailout. Remember the "Unite The Right" rally in Charlottesville? One of the organizers was from Occupy Wallstreet. How do you explain people from such disparate perspectives being angry about the same thing if it was all about Marxism?

[Badnon Wissenshaftler]

As for social media, this very forum allows people to directly post from Twitter and YouTube but not alternate sites like Mastedon or Bitchute.

Really? Is that a coding issue, or?..

I posted a whole thread where James Corbett of the excellent CorbettReport.com explains how he has migrated away from being solely on YouTube and where to find him when he is ultimately purged.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...How-to-Find-Me

Not a SINGLE response! If I posted some gadfly thread about how we need to "Sue Facebook and Twitter" I'd get some responses. People love doing the impractical rather than the practical.

I'll check it out. I've been thinking about getting into some video production myself. Bitchute seems very free-speech, but needs a bit more in the way of "entertainment" material to interest the general populace. I'd be glad to begin adding both substantive and recreational material.

But the idea that you have to vote democrat if you are black is starting to wear thin.

Good! That's some bulls***t.

Every black person I show Jo Jorgenson videos to likes her, respects what she says, and might even vote for her if they weren't afraid of Trump.

Many people are of the same mindset, except they are afraid of Biden. Frustrating.

Even though Jo's message is 100% libertarian, people here are mad because *gasp* she says private business can address racism. Well...she's right. You might not agree that someone posting "All Lives Matter" is racist. I agree with you.

So many people latched on to that bit. She has so many wonderful stances on issues, (abolishing the ATF and income taxes, for example) but people immediately found a thing or two that sounded questionable, and that's all anyone heard about.

The question is how to ride the new anti-establishment consensus in a way that steers the ship the way we want it to go.

Something Jorgensen is attempting to navigate by trying to redefine some of the leftist nomenclature. Of course, very use of that nomenclature ("anti-racist" for example) horrifies many right-leaning libertarians. I myself was a bit puzzled by that commentary, but I see what she's trying to do. (A few years back, a term like "anti-racism" would seem quite innocuous. I'd have no problem being an "anti-racist" by previous definition, but it signifies something entirely different these days)

[bv3]

The question is how to ride the new anti-establishment consensus in a way that steers the ship the way we want it to go.

For one thing: the bridge cannot be RPFs, sadly.